Episode 33

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Published on:

12th Jan 2026

Does That Dog Have Eyebrows

Rest in Power Keith Porter, Renee Good, and Baby. Abolish ICE. The CBP report on their intentional tactics to create unsafe situations with demonstrators https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/PERFReport.pdf

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MIRAC - Minnesota Immigrant Rights Action Committee

CTUL

Interfaith Coalition on Immigration (ICOM)

MARCH

United Renters for Justice - InquilinXs UnidXs por Justicia

Unidos MN

CAIR-Minnesota (CAIR-MN)

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Transcript
Beck:

Welcome to Queer Next, the podcast that puts the

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Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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Dash: and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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It's starting to sound like we

go through this every week where

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we're like, can you hear me?

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Beck: I really do like your hat.

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Where'd you get a queer wolf hat?

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Dash: There's a it.

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There used to be a chop out of,

I think it was the Netherlands.

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Some Scandy country called queer

animals, and it was one of those,

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like, uh, so okay, back in the, the

two thousands, the, in the, the early

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2010s, American stores didn't have

any like, gender affirming clothing.

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It was hard to find binders or

like packers or gaff, like tucking

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panties or anything like that.

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So a lot of that stuff came from either

China, Korea, Taiwan, or the Netherlands.

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And so I bought, I think

bought a chess binder from some

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company I found on Instagram.

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And they also had, I think, I

think like they had the merge.

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It was like the storefront

and then you could also buy

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the gender affirming clothing.

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And I was like.

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Queer wolf.

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That's hilarious.

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'cause I, it was like shortly after I had

found the curse of the queer wolf, VHS

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so I was like, okay, well I'm gonna buy

this and this is what I actually bought.

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But I also secretly gonna get, I,

I remember actually, I think it was

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2014 when I first saw an auto straddle

article about the first company in the

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US to be like its whole, um, business

model was trans or gender affirming.

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Like undergarments and it was GC two

B and they made binders for like, you

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know, non-binary trans mask people or

anybody who wanted, like they had have a

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big chest and you wanna make it smaller.

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And I was just like, oh

my God, it's happening.

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And now there's several companies,

of course they also got that the

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Trump administration sent them all.

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No, it was not cease and de

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Beck: I saw that.

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Dash: Yeah.

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What's, I don't know the name of

the, the kind of letter they got, but

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basically like got a, a warning or

sanction of some kind saying that they

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were selling medical grade something

without appropriate FDA approval.

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Beck: It's a warning level letter.

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Dash: Right?

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So I know GC two B got one,

tomboy X got one flaunt wear.

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Beck: Uh, for them the

flexion, uh, gender bender.

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Shapeshifter apparel

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Dash: and that one is like, I

think they just sell like Spanx.

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But that,

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but that was like, 'cause the letter,

their justification was like, this is

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sold to, to minors for postoperative care.

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Like they explicitly said that these

companies were in hot water because they

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were selling their products to minors,

recovering from gender affirming surgery.

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Beck: Illegal marketing and breast

binders for children for the purposes

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of treating gender dysphoria.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Which they're not targeting

children, but children can buy

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them if their parents, right.

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If you got a fucking bank card, you

can buy anything on the internet.

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: But the thing is like children

aren't receiving surgery, like a

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child can't get an elective surgery.

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What do they think we're doing?

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Is there some drive through

somewhere and we just pull up and go?

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I mean,

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Beck: are you, after the events

of this week and the, the

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administration to tell us not believe

what we saw with our own eyes?

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Right.

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We really think that they, it is time

to draw, drop any of the pretenses at

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this point and just admit what they are.

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Dash: You're right.

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I mean, and, and like I've been thinking

about that, like my, like instinct

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to draw out the ridiculousness of it

for the purposes of laughing at it.

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That's a coping mechanism.

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Maybe it's not time for coping anymore

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because, I mean, I'm sitting here

in rural Minnesota watching these

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motherfuckers slowly fan out.

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They've been concentrated in the

cities, but now they found there.

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Um, it's not a, it's not an

actual reservation, but there

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are communities that are

essentially indigenous communities.

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On the outskirts of the Twin Cities

and they have found themselves there.

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So now they're, um, harassing

the indigenous folks.

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Beck: Oh, nice.

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Dash: And yeah, whatever Es motherfuckers

and I have been collecting, so

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there's a lit, there's a, a lot of,

um, groups that like we, uh, as at

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university, like collaborate with a lot.

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Um, I'm gonna.

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I will, I will put that stuff somewhere

where y'all can find 'em either in

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the show notes and we'll make sure to

maybe link it in the, the newsletter

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this week of orgs that you can support.

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I mean, of course, um, we all wish

we could physically help, right?

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But we can't, right?

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America's not structured that way.

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We're not structured that way.

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So if you're someone who wishes, you

could help, but all you have is funds.

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To try to help support the

folks who are able to be there.

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There's plenty of orgs you can

give those funds to, so we'll,

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we'll, I'll make sure that

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Beck: even five, $10.

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Beck: school starts this coming week.

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I,

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Dash: It does.

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How you feeling about that?

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Beck: Ah, you know, I'm ready.

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I've got all my, everything ready.

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I'm gonna take tomorrow and go

through my online course and make

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sure everything's set up there.

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Like I said, I didn't miss anything.

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Um.

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Monday I've gotta go print.

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So other than that, 'cause they

still want us to hand out a copy

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of the syllabus first day of class,

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Dash: A physical copy.

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Interesting.

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Beck: yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I gotta go print those and my

attendance sheets, which I gotta

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check those 'cause I type 'em up,

um, before the semester starts.

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But then the first week

they change radically.

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So you gotta have like three

different versions of it.

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Dash: Uh, yeah, I don't, well, I've got my

surgery and I got a, a, what's it called?

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A follow up appointment

with my surgeon on Monday.

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and then, I don't know, just waiting

to see when I go back to work.

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Beck: Yeah.

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My SNHU class started this week

and it's already, the AI is

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ridiculous.

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why I, have such little faith in

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online education because

it's so easy to cheat.

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Dash: Oh, I, I'm starting to

see, remember I said we're

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going to go back to Blue Books?

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They're doing it.

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I'm starting to see, like,

professors on social media are

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saying like, yep, that's it.

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We're doing blue books now

and a couple of high schools.

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It's, it's pencil and paper tests now.

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Like they, y'all are gonna,

you're gonna fucking learn.

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Beck: yeah.

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Which sucks because it's so much

better when AI or when just the system

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grades, like the matching and the

A, B, C, D, multiple choice stuff,

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that just saves you a lot of time.

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if you can't count on the,

the essay stuff, be worth

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the damn, what's the point?

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: So I went through

a bunch of my quizzes.

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'cause in my, on my uh, ethnic studies

class, I have them take a quiz every week.

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They're open book online, whatever.

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but I went through and took out some

of the essay questions 'cause it's

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pointless and just add some my grading

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time.

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So I made a more, very specific

questions from the textbook.

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So they'd have to open

the textbook and look at

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it.

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Dash: Right.

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Yeah.

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That's what you have to do.

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You have to make it something

that AI can't find or index,

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Beck: yeah.

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Dash: so that if the answer isn't correct,

then it's because the AI didn't know

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what the fuck you were talking about,

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Beck: Right.

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It's, it's stressful being

a professor these days.

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Dash: yeah, I know.

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Well, and

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I don't know, the things that I teach,

like even just the little intro to

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college class stuff that we teach,

there's no writing assignments in that.

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even though I, I loved teaching

writing, I still very much remember

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why I decided not to pursue that

as the only kind of thing I teach.

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because

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Beck: the grading alone.

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Dash: the grading, the

myth of improvement.

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I don't know if people who

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teach content really have to contend

with this as much, but because

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like te there are, are very few.

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general education classes To

teach that are so skills heavy

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as writing is even math, right?

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It's memorization.

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a lot of stuff is critical analysis

of taking information in, you know,

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think like kind of expanding your, your

knowledge and understanding of things,

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but, but writing is fucking skills.

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And if you're not improving at it,

it is, it's very, very visible.

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And like, the myth of improvement

basically is that in a 16 week course,

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it's impossible to make anyone better

at anything with what you've got.

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You know, like the time you're

able to spend with them in class.

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And so, like for people who are

teaching skills like writing or

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reading, they have to put in so much

extra time to try to make the slightest

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dent in a person's skills level.

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With something like writing,

which is all skills, right?

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Like you're not gonna be able to

memorize something that's gonna auto,

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that's gonna just immediately transfer

into you being better at writing.

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Beck: Right.

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I credit my writing ability to, all the

reading that I did when I was a kid.

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it makes you a better writer

because you understand the flow.

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You understand the flow of a

story, you understand sentences

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and the way they work together.

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And, um, when something isn't right,

you notice it immediately, you

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know?

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Dash: Right?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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People who are readers are

better writers on average,

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: and that's because writing, like

the skills associated with writing aren't.

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Like English doesn't have grammar.

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Like that's the first thing you learn

when you, when you start to like go

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up, like get more advanced learning in

English, is that there's no such thing

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as grammar because English gobbled up a

bunch of languages and barfed it into one

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bowl and said, this is our language now.

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And you don't like grammar

from other languages.

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You can't splice 'em together.

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So we removed grammar from English

and we created these like bastard

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versions of conjugation with as

many exceptions as there are rules.

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Beck: Right.

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Right.

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I was very lucky.

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Um, in junior high when we learned a

lot of the, the grammar rules and stuff.

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I had won a contest, a writing

contest when I was in seventh grade.

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And so my eighth grade year, um,

it didn't hurt that my, my eighth,

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seventh, and eighth grade English

teacher was like best friends with

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my dad when they were in high school.

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I had no idea, um, that that was true.

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I didn't really learn about

that until I was older.

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but she, instead of making me go to

English class, I went upstairs to a room

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by myself and wrote every day, and I

got to do that all through eighth grade,

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Dash: Wow.

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Beck: Mm-hmm.

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Dash: That's fun.

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Beck: It was, and I got to write

all kinds of interesting stuff.

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I wrote all kinds of, poetry and

stories and that kind of thing.

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Uh, winning that contest was really an,

an ego boost for me when I was a kid.

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'cause it was the, the, it

was called power of the Pen

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was the name of the contest.

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And they would give you, uh, like a

prompt and you'd get a half an hour or

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whatever the time limit was, and you

had to write a story with the prompt.

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And then they would have, there

was like a, an immediate grading.

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And then there was a regional

competition and then a state competition.

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And I got to go to the state

competition through one of my stories.

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It was a little comedy story

about, um, looking for money to buy

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batteries for the remote control

called batteries not included.

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Dash: In Kentucky, uh, in the

nineties there was this, their

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version of standardized testing

was actually really inventive in,

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um, eighth grade and junior year.

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You did a week, a week's worth

of, essay based testing, like

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hardly any Scantron shit.

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It was all like, you would

hang out in your homeroom.

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So it was all day, every day for the

whole week, and the teachers would, you

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know, go outta their way to try to make

it feel exciting instead of terrifying.

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You know, like they, we would take

little breaks and have games and snacks

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and stuff, but ultimately, like we

were sitting essentially at a fucking

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GRE for a solid week in your eighth

grade year and your junior year.

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And one of the components of

it was what they called the

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portfolio, the writing portfolio.

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And it was, you know, for our listeners

were in a Kentucky Public Education

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in the, in the nineties, maybe

help me remember how many essays it

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was, but I'm thinking it was five.

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And there would be like the

personal essay, the research

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essay, the argument essay, and.

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My eighth grade year was the

first year I was at that school.

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So I went from Jellico, the worst

school in, in existence, right?

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Like we scored too well on the

Tennessee standardized test.

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And Jellico stopped letting us take the

test because we fucked the bell curve.

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I was scoring

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99% on the team, Tcap every year.

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And David and Vanessa were also

scoring in the 90 percents, and they,

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they, um, stopped letting us take it

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Beck: That's wild.

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Dash: I know that's, I think that

was the last straw for my mom.

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So that's why they transferred us to, the

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Kentucky School illegally.

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I hope the statute of limitations

is up on that because it's

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definitely a fucking felony,

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but we just gave him a fake

address and went to a school

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across the border in Kentucky.

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Beck: I went to a different district

as well than the one that I lived in.

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but they were just neighboring

that was allowed where I was from.

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So, but it wasn't across state lines.

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It was

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across like township lines.

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You had to stay in the same county.

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I think

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maybe that's not

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true.

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Dash: I would say that

you're supposed to, but.

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Beck: Well, because I have a friend.

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It might have changed in the time

since because, um, where I grew up

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was pretty close to the county line

between Scioto and Pike County.

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And I have a friend recently who

thought about sending her kids to

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the Pike County schools instead

of the, the Lucasville schools.

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I don't, know how she would've managed

that if you can't go across county lines.

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Dash: I don't, I never have

really known the rules either.

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I mean, I know obviously

what we did was illegal.

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And of course, you know, we got caught

'cause it was a very small school and

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it was just obvious that we were lying.

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. So we did that for like two years

and then they started, uh, they

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rented a place in Williamsburg and

then we started the move up there.

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And that's how we wound up in Kentucky

basically was because, in order to

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stay in school there, they had to.

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Beck: Do you wanna see something funny?

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Something gr kind of gross and funny?

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Dash: sure.

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Beck: Look at the new pie from McDonald's.

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Dash: What is that?

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Beck: It is a, it is a

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strawberry here.

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Lemme see.

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I can't see myself.

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Dash: It's, you're so blurry.

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Oh.

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It's kinda like a Pop-Tart,

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Beck: Yeah, but it looks so like,

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Dash: a gash.

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Beck: yeah.

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Dash: It's even got a little button on the

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bottom.

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Beck: Yeah.

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And you take a bite and it like

the, the strawberry stuff, like

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piles up and it looks even worse.

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Dash: Hell yeah.

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Beck: Makes me laugh every time I eat one.

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They're my favorite though.

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They're so

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good.

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Dash: I, uh, drove past a McDonald's

on the way back from, uh, I had to

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run an errand the other day and doing,

you know, that takes your entire day

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here since it was like a 90 minute

drive and then you have to do the

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thing and then it's 90 minutes back.

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So,

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: and, and it's like not anything.

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It was an Amazon return.

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Beck: Oh

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Dash: It takes four hours

to do an Amazon return here.

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Yeah.

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This place is a pits dude.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: I met, uh, I met with that dia, that

dietician, and I remember you told me like

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the one you met with, you were basically

like, who do you think you're talking to?

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Beck: Yeah.

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Like you're not even being

slightly realistic here, you know?

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Like you have to meet

people where they are.

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You can't tell me to start eating couscous

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and, and avocado for every meal when

I'm eating cheeseburgers and pizza.

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Right.

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That just doesn't translate.

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Dash: so I mean, my, the

one I met with was not like

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delusional like That but like, she

was also kind of aware with the,

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of the area I live in, because she,

her, I think her sister, she had

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some sort of, um, relationship to

someone who lived nearby for a while.

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And so she, I was like, so you,

you know, like what shopping,

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what groceries are like here?

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And she was like, yeah.

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And she's like, aren't you

recovering from surgery?

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Like, how are you eating?

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And I was like.

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The grace in favor of the Lord.

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Like sometimes people send me Costco

in a pinch, I can walk down to the,

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to the little market and buy a $10

box of cereal, but I prefer not to.

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: Well, she did bring up chicken

and I was like, yeah, I, uh, I

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went down to the market and looked

for some, but they don't sell it.

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They don't sell chicken or pork because

they can't control the temperature.

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Beck: Oh, wow.

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So all you got is

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beef.

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Hope you're not susceptible to gout.

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Dash: Yeah.

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I mean, I, I'm, I'm, I'm curious how

people even manage this shit, but I also

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kind of know it's because they have stuff.

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I don't, they have family, they

have friends, they have connections.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Um, we, we had a very much a reminder

of how alone we were up here.

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Listeners, just so, just so you know,

my dog baby passed away this week

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and we had the vet come in, uh, to

the house to, to do the, the thing.

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And where we live, our address is

outside of the range of where the

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crematorium will come get 'em.

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Um, and since we had it done a

home, that meant that we had to take

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her ourselves to the crematorium.

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And she was, we were able to get her

in the trunk and that kind of thing.

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But the, the issue was, was

that we couldn't lift her.

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Like we couldn't physically carry her

to the trunk like she fit in there.

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But getting her from her bed where

she had passed out the, out the door

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and into that car was just impossible.

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It was just too heavy for us.

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And so Shanna posted, um, I told her to

post on the, the local Facebook group

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and she just said, our dog just died.

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You know, it's too heavy for us to lift.

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Is there anybody that can help?

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And within five minutes, we had three

people volunteering and within 15

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minutes there was somebody here to

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help us, a woman and her husband

showed up and he lifted her

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and carried her out for us.

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Dash: And it's, it's such a

private moment too, and you

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have to reach out to a stranger.

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I mean, it's, I'm, I'm glad somebody

was able to help you, but like,

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I, I can't imagine how that felt.

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Beck: Yeah, it was wild.

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Dash: Well, RIP baby queen of the holler.

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Beck: She was the best good girl.

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She was 14 years old and for a Rottweiler

Mastiff mix, that's a long time.

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She's been her first 11 years outside on

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her own.

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hunting on the hill and making

sure it was clear of, of vermin.

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Dash: How many snakes do you

think she's eaten her lifetime?

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Beck: Oh, probably dozens and

squirrels and, and grasshoppers,

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or not grasshoppers, um,

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oh, what are they called?

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Rabbits, hoppers and rabbits.

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Dash: Well, they hop

through the grass, you

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Beck: Yeah.

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That's where my brain pulled that from.

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Yeah.

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rabbits and

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groundhogs

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Dash: I could see your logic.

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If I could draw, I would make

cartoons of some of the shit we say.

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So you've just got PETA and wind now

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Beck: Yep.

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And

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Dash: they're queens of the house.

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Beck: oh yeah.

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PETA has always been the queen,

um, in her own imagination.

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Um, she has actually relaxed quite a

bit because she stayed on guard if baby

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was gonna get a morsel of food that

she didn't get, she was over it and

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she was gonna demand answers for it.

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And so I, we, when we feed 'em, because

we feed 'em at night, um, usually

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they would be a little bit left over

and baby would clean up behind him.

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And the last couple of nights there was

still food left over in the morning.

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And so PETA cleaned it

up in the next morning

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and it was just weird.

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Peta has like relaxed physically.

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Some like,

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Dash: She is a stressed out dog.

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Beck: She really is.

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She really is.

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Chihuahuas are just like that though.

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Dash: Yeah,

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Beck: She has a lot on her plate, I guess.

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Dash: Do you, you know, do you

remember you told me this story

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about PETA when you first got her?

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That made me laugh.

447

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This had been a long time ago.

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That, well, it was when you first got her.

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I don't, it's been probably 10 years now.

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:

Right?

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Hadn't she lived with you for a while?

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Beck: Uh, since 2014, so

12 years going on 12 years.

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:

Yeah.

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Dash: I, I, there's a Facebook memory that

popped up of her wearing the eyebrows.

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Beck: I know what you're talking about.

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Dash: Will you tell me this story?

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Because it's one of my.

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Beck: Okay, so, um, I lived in a

cul-de-sac, which was right up against

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like, it's not a main highway or

anything, but it's a pretty busy two,

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two lane road where the high school

is and, and all that kind of stuff.

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And, uh, we had brought Peta home

and she was a baby when we found her.

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She was maybe six months old when

we found her, and she still had

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a lot of energy and liked to run.

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And so I had, uh, my poodle

who was like 14 or 15 at the

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time, she was like five pounds.

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She was a tiny little poodle.

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And I had we, and we had peta and so.

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One morning, I, I got up and, you know,

first thing in the morning when you

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take the dogs out, you know, you're

not wearing your bra, your hair is

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tall and, and saying hi to Jesus.

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And I was wearing my fuzzy slippers and

my fuzzy sweatpants and you know, just

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standing out there, waiting on my three

dogs to pee and peta jerks on her leash

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and breaks it, it just breaks in half.

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Like it was a piece of,

of, of, of paper, right?

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And she takes off running down

the, this road, the down this main

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road and she's gone in a flash.

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So I'm standing there and so I scoop

up the, the poodle under one arm and

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I scoop up window under the other

arm and I start padding down the

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street to go towards her, right?

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Because I didn't know what else to do.

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And so this lady in A CRV sees what's

happening, And so she gets down to

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where PETA is and kind of corrals

her back up to me and I catch her.

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So when I catch her, I now have

a window on a leash behind me and

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a, and a small dog under each arm.

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I have PETA under one arm

and Lacey under the other.

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And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm shuffling

back to my apartment because I'm

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wearing fuzzy slippers, remind you.

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And I'm standing out on the sidewalk

now, and this lady in the C RV had

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turned around and she comes back she

stops in the middle of the street and

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she goes, Hey dog lady, which, you

know, three dogs in my person that,

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that's a, that's a fair assessment.

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And I expected to say, do you need help?

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Uh, you know, something like that.

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But she says, Hey, dog lady.

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Does that dog have eyebrows?

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Because the night before we had

been playing around with peanut and

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we had drawn, she's blonde, and we

had painted very brown eyebrows on

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her forehead and not removed them.

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So what do you say to that?

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And I was like, yes.

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Dash: You're gonna have to

get that picture to me, so,

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Beck: Does that dog have eyebrows?

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Dash: yeah, exactly.

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She does.

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And I just really don't

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have a good excuse for why,

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Beck: Oh God.

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That was one of the funniest

things that's ever happened to

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me.

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Dash: and also just like this image of

you in your fuzzy slippers and pajama

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pants and tall hair with a, with a

teacup sized animal under each arm, just.

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The sidewalk

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Beck: And Peter was gone, she was

like three blocks down the road before

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I even like got around the corner.

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Um, I, I don't think I would've

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got her back if the lady in

the C RV hadn't helped me.

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'cause she was just like.

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Dash: and,

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:

and knowing where you lived there, like

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:

after house main road businesses,

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:

every layer of that

story gets funnier to me.

522

:

The more I think about it,

that's the life of a pet owner.

523

:

Man.

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:

You gotta say goodbye to your pride.

525

:

Beck: Can you imagine that lady telling

the story, her version of that story?

526

:

Dash: I

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absolutely can.

528

:

Beck: Yeah, I was just driving along

and all of a sudden I got passed by a

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:

chihuahua with eyebrows.

530

:

that's funny.

531

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Dash: And the crazy pants

weirdo that lost it.

532

:

Beck: Dog lady.

533

:

Yeah, that was me.

534

:

Dash: Yeah.

535

:

You're

536

:

somebody's meme, you know, like

537

:

you're somebody's cryptid

538

:

Beck: forevermore.

539

:

They looked for the pajama and dog lady.

540

:

Dash: Uh, I, I saw somebody,

uh, with their kitten in a

541

:

baby carrier on the front of

542

:

them, like that turned outward, right?

543

:

So the cat was seeing

whatever they were doing.

544

:

Um, and I'm just like, oh my God,

I, I know that at least two of

545

:

my four would actually love that.

546

:

Beck: Yeah, I would love

to have a cat again.

547

:

And Shannon asked me like yesterday

if I wanted to get a kitten,

548

:

and I was like, absolutely not.

549

:

That is the last thing we

need is another animal.

550

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We just, you know what I mean?

551

:

We we're, we're gonna go the first

thing we did was plan a, a trip to

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:

Chicago because we haven't, with baby,

we have been stuck in this apartment.

553

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Like for, like, I would, I would do

it forever if she would've stayed.

554

:

But we have been kind of stuck in this

apartment because every four hours

555

:

she has to go and she can't travel.

556

:

So the first thing we did

was plan a trip to Chicago,

557

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which we're gonna go in February.

558

:

So

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Dash: Cool.

560

:

Beck: I'm excited.

561

:

Yeah.

562

:

Something to look forward to.

563

:

Dash: Did you pick Chicago

just out of randomly or

564

:

Beck: No, one of my, one of

my very best friends lives

565

:

there we go see her stay at her

566

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house.

567

:

Yeah.

568

:

Right.

569

:

It's, she lives just north

of, of, of Chicago now.

570

:

She lives in one of the

suburbs, um, where the

571

:

Six Flags of Chicago is.

572

:

She lives like three blocks from there.

573

:

Dash: Sweet.

574

:

Beck: yeah,

575

:

Dash: I, I've been to Chicago

several times, but not in a way that

576

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like allowed me to experience it.

577

:

It was always a conference or something.

578

:

Work related.

579

:

Beck: I've got to be

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:

touristy and it's a lot of fun.

581

:

It's my favorite city.

582

:

Granted, I haven't been to

a lot of cities, um, but

583

:

it's my favorite one so far.

584

:

Dash: Well, I

585

:

did do a touristy thing there once I went

to a show, but we just like drove up the

586

:

night of, went to the show, we stayed

in a hostel and left the next morning.

587

:

Beck: Yeah.

588

:

Dash: But yeah, uh, I actually was

thinking about visiting Chicago

589

:

the other day just because I've

got a couple friends there too.

590

:

I think is still there.

591

:

Beck: Oh, wow.

592

:

Yeah, I don't think he

ever really liked me, so,

593

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Dash: It's hard to tell.

594

:

Beck: yeah.

595

:

Dash: Um, like they were times when

he, well, we were coworkers so I don't

596

:

know that we were ever friends, but

we are friendly or have been friendly.

597

:

You kind of trauma bond in a way when

you when you were coworkers in the

598

:

kind of work that we did in the system

that we did because it was just such

599

:

a homophobic, transphobic environment.

600

:

There

601

:

Beck: Yeah,

602

:

Dash: back in the day, L-G-B-T-Q stuff.

603

:

Being sort of like shoved into spaces

that were historically about or devoted

604

:

to, like racial and ethnic Yeah, racial

diversity and stuff that caused tension.

605

:

That caused problems.

606

:

And, you know, it's like we knew why

it was done, but it made it so much

607

:

harder to make any kind of headway.

608

:

And so that office there that we were

in suffered a lot from it, from that.

609

:

Beck: Right.

610

:

I always generally liked that guy.

611

:

Um, but we had a friend in common and I

took her out, uh, we took her out for her

612

:

birthday one time and he tagged along and

he was very rude to the wait, wait staff.

613

:

And that really, I can't handle

a person that's rude to wait

614

:

staff that is just tells me

everything I need to know about you.

615

:

Dash: yeah.

616

:

like when you told me that story,

I was like, I can absolutely see

617

:

that and I've seen similar things,

but nothing, I don't think I saw

618

:

anything to the degree of that.

619

:

And that's, that is kind of how

he is when he feels like somebody

620

:

is getting the upper hand.

621

:

Like if he get, it gets embarrassed

in some way or something.

622

:

Like if he didn't know, if there's

something he didn't know, he will

623

:

try to make somebody else feel small.

624

:

Beck: Yeah,

625

:

' Dash: cause he did that to me

a couple of times and I was

626

:

like, oh, you can't be trusted.

627

:

Oh, okay.

628

:

Beck: But I have found that

to be true with some gay men.

629

:

They just

630

:

don't like women in

631

:

Dash: Oh, speaking of fucking messy gays,

especially of the middle class variety or

632

:

the upper mi, upper middle class variety.

633

:

' uh, Las Culturistas, this is some

podcast t or do you know that podcast

634

:

Beck: huh.

635

:

Dash: Las Culturistas?

636

:

Well, you would think that they're,

uh, Latinx, but they're not.

637

:

Um, it's a white dude, uh, named

Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang,

638

:

who was the Saturday Night Live

639

:

guy.

640

:

Uh, I think they started this podcast

before he was on SNL, but I don't know.

641

:

Anyway, for whatever reason, Matt Rogers.

642

:

Decided to just tell all of their

millions of listeners not to donate

643

:

or support Jasmine Crockett's,

bid for, is she a senator?

644

:

What she's running for?

645

:

Beck: Uh, that's what she's running for.

646

:

Yeah.

647

:

Dash: just for no re I mean, well, I know

648

:

why he, he's like, , well, she's a

Zionist, so you shouldn't support her.

649

:

What the fuck?

650

:

Like, why would you just decide that?

651

:

You need to weigh in on that as not a

black woman, not someone who lives in

652

:

that district and not a Palestinian

or, uh, somebody who lives in Israel.

653

:

What the fuck?

654

:

Beck: Well, white men tend to

do that, have opinions on things

655

:

that have no bearing on them.

656

:

Dash: And that's exactly it.

657

:

That's what, that's what I was

658

:

thinking.

659

:

It's like, you know, not every opinion

660

:

needs to be voiced.

661

:

Right.

662

:

Beck: Yeah.

663

:

Dash: You know, not every thought that

you have needs to come out your mouth.

664

:

Right.

665

:

But they don't, they honestly

think like, oh, I need to say this.

666

:

It's the dumbest thing

anybody's ever heard.

667

:

Beck: we center our entire

culture around white men.

668

:

You know what I mean?

669

:

Like they are the dominant

paradigm in every kind of

670

:

configuration that you can think of.

671

:

And we center them.

672

:

They're, they're.

673

:

In positions of power, um,

overwhelmingly that they shouldn't be.

674

:

Um, they're represented in places

of power where they shouldn't be.

675

:

they have a, a voice on things

they shouldn't have a voice on.

676

:

Often, like for example, you'll never see

a, a group of 30 white women making laws

677

:

against white, uh, against women's bodies.

678

:

Period.

679

:

You know, laws, state laws don't

change for men when you cross

680

:

state lines, but they do for women.

681

:

And that is the, that is, that is men

and specifically white men, because

682

:

those are our lawmakers that have done

that, you know, and all over the place.

683

:

We see men out of, in, in

power, out of proportion.

684

:

And so they think that every

opinion they have is, is,

685

:

gospel and that we should all care

about it when a lot of us just don't.

686

:

Dash: Just it.

687

:

Yeah.

688

:

Don't, don't, I don't care.

689

:

But the way that you couldn't torture

something like that out of me, I, I get

690

:

on edge anytime I hear one of 'em go hot.

691

:

Take like, okay, there, there's

only so many outcomes here.

692

:

One is you're probably gonna say

something totally fucking normal, right?

693

:

Like, I'm tired of people going hot.

694

:

Take a war is bad,

695

:

Beck: right,

696

:

Dash: shut up.

697

:

But conversely an actual

hot take on something ain't

698

:

got nothing to do with you.

699

:

Are you sure this needs to be said?

700

:

Like, are we 100% positive that not only

this has to be said, but it has to be

701

:

said by you right now in this moment?

702

:

Because, you know, shutting

the fuck up is an option.

703

:

Beck: Yeah.

704

:

It sure enough is, do you, do

you follow Heather Cox Richardson

705

:

Dash: Yes.

706

:

Beck: in, in the last couple of days

she's been talking about Minneapolis and

707

:

she pointed out that the, the outrage

that a lot of white people are feeling,

708

:

um, that she was shot unceremoniously

and they're lying about it.

709

:

That is something that

communities of color

710

:

have been dealing with for

decades, Yeah, just the incredulous

711

:

that people are coming to

712

:

this with, it's just like,

now, you know, you know, the,

713

:

the communities of color

have not been lying about

714

:

this.

715

:

Dash: and it's been televised,

it's on whatever, but somebody

716

:

said, uh, they're now killing

innocent citizens in the street.

717

:

Now.

718

:

You mean from your perspective,

this is a recent development?

719

:

Beck: Yeah.

720

:

Dash: Just this year.

721

:

She's not even the first one this year.

722

:

Uh, what was it, the ninth, January 9th?

723

:

I don't know what day

724

:

that was that it happened.

725

:

Wait, no, that was yesterday.

726

:

It was very early this year and she,

727

:

Beck: my last few days

are kind of scrambled,

728

:

Dash: yeah.

729

:

it was the seventh, it

730

:

was Wednesday that she was killed.

731

:

She's not even the first one.

732

:

That ICE killed this year killed

Keith Porter in Los Angeles.

733

:

on a, I think it was a New Year's,

a New Year's celebration type thing.

734

:

He had a, a rifle, he was firing as part

of his celebration or whatever, and they

735

:

killed him for it 'cause they said.

736

:

Beck: as people do.

737

:

Dash: As people, do you know what

fucking they, I don't know why we

738

:

can't celebrate and without shooting

something or blowing something up,

739

:

but that's just how America is.

740

:

Beck: Yeah.

741

:

Dash: until it's a brown person

trying to do it, which he was,

742

:

it's, it's fine and dandy,

743

:

Beck: I think about, um, new Year's

:

744

:

and her mom, and from 99 to 2000

and, and at midnight we were out in

745

:

the middle of the street and her mom

746

:

was shooting a gun, Like that's

out in the, out in the country.

747

:

That's normal, like,

748

:

Dash: like firing a gun, it's,

well, it's fun that, it's exciting.

749

:

That's one of the reasons why,

it's part of celebrations, right?

750

:

It's just kind of a, a

751

:

you don't do it every day type of thing.

752

:

You know, obviously there's

still protesting here.

753

:

two more people were shot,

in Portland Thursday.

754

:

exact same circumstances.

755

:

the ice agent was blocking the car.

756

:

Another, so this is what they do.

757

:

And I, I don't know, I'll post

it in in the show notes because

758

:

it was hard for me to find.

759

:

But I remember, so in 2014 there

was an article about how ice,

760

:

has a pattern of this, this

particular thing keeps happening.

761

:

Remember how even this, this one

motherfucker that killed her said

762

:

like, yeah, this already happened to

me once before I was dragged by a car.

763

:

It's because this is a tactic

that they employ and it's

764

:

taught to them in training.

765

:

One blocks the vehicle in the

front, another one gives them the

766

:

direction to move and harasses them

and stresses them out or whatever.

767

:

And then the second the vehicle starts

to move, the one in front opens fire.

768

:

But there was an article in 2014.

769

:

That, linked to an actual

CBP, report on this tactic.

770

:

Customs border Patrol, like this is an

internal memo about the fact that this is

771

:

actually something they're trained to do.

772

:

so then on this, the, the very

next day, Thursday on the eighth,

773

:

a couple two people were shot,

in the exact same scenario.

774

:

This is about to turn into

a conspiracy theory podcast,

775

:

but like they are instigators.

776

:

like we used to say,

don't start something.

777

:

There won't be nothing.

778

:

Beck: Right.

779

:

Don't start no shit.

780

:

Won't be no shit.

781

:

Dash: That's right.

782

:

And if somebody does start it, you finish

783

:

it.

784

:

That's it.

785

:

Beck: Yeah.

786

:

Dash: Anyway, I am gonna get

a gun and a HAM radio now

787

:

start fortifying my basement.

788

:

I'm gonna,

789

:

I'm gonna become, uh, Nick Ferman's

character in the third episode of

790

:

the first season of the Last of

791

:

Us.

792

:

Beck: That's very specific.

793

:

Dash: You haven't seen that, have you?

794

:

Beck: No.

795

:

Dash: I mean,

796

:

here's what I'll say.

797

:

You don't need to.

798

:

The beauty of that is that it's, you

don't really need to be a fan of the rest.

799

:

You don't even have to watch

the rest of the season.

800

:

'cause it's a standalone episode

and he plays, it's a queer couple.

801

:

It's this like elder gay couple.

802

:

And he discovers he's gay in the

apocalypse, but he had been one

803

:

of these motherfuckers, right?

804

:

Like the don't tread on me, hide in a

basement, type of guy who said he was

805

:

prepping for this, but he survives the

apocalypse or the zombie apocalypse then

806

:

he gets to know himself and then he meets

this guy and falls in love with him.

807

:

It's a fantastic episode.

808

:

but yeah, that he was like a basement

dweller, had a gun collection,

809

:

like, don't tread on me, new

world order, blah, blah, blah.

810

:

And then when the, the like

officers came, he just hid from him.

811

:

He didn't do

812

:

Beck: Yeah.

813

:

that's something I, I don't understand

that the, all the don't tread on me.

814

:

Uh, second amendment gun rights bullshit.

815

:

You know, in case of a tyrannical

government people, we have a tyrannical

816

:

government right in front of us,

and they are just kissing the asses.

817

:

They're licking the boots of,

of everybody stomping through.

818

:

You know, it, it's disgusting to me.

819

:

The thin blue line hats that

820

:

some of them wear and that kind of thing.

821

:

You know, you're not supposed

to be pro-police, you know, like

822

:

Dash: Police is like hr.

823

:

They ain't nobody's friend except for the

824

:

system.

825

:

Beck: Yeah, exactly.

826

:

Dash: Like the police

are, are the Karen hrs of

827

:

society, the racist, Karen, hr, and

828

:

Beck: Carries a gun.

829

:

Dash: right, and, and you're doing it

because you think that they'll spare you.

830

:

That's just be honest.

831

:

and it's not gonna work.

832

:

Fuck em.

833

:

Fuck em, fuck em.

834

:

Beck: It is the right

time to be pissed off.

835

:

I just don't see how this country's gonna

survive another three years under Trump.

836

:

Dash: yeah.

837

:

I don't think that's the plan.

838

:

Like, I don't think that surely they don't

actually think that that's what would

839

:

be the result of what they're doing is

840

:

Beck: Right.

841

:

What do you think of all the Trump 2028

842

:

bullshit?

843

:

Dash: if that man is alive in 2028.

844

:

I wanna find out what devil he sold

his soul to, to make that happen.

845

:

Uh,

846

:

Beck: Well, he

847

:

Dash: like,

848

:

Beck: to be who he is.

849

:

Dash: I mean, he's the

definition of a useful idiot.

850

:

And you know, who warned Republicans

that this was going to happen was

851

:

a Republican, Barry Goldwater in

the seventies said, if you let

852

:

these fucking crazy fear-mongering,

religious right evangelical nut

853

:

jobs have control of the Republican

party, they will elect a populist

854

:

and that'll be the end of it, right?

855

:

Not just the end of the Republican

party, but the end of American politics.

856

:

And he was absolutely right.

857

:

That's what's happening.

858

:

Beck: Yeah,

859

:

Dash: Well, it doesn't matter.

860

:

Whatever.

861

:

I'll put some resources in for

people who want to help out and then

862

:

maybe we'll just stop talking about

things that make us mad for a minute.

863

:

Beck: Okay.

864

:

I think I've had every emotion

865

:

possible this week.

866

:

Dash: Yeah.

867

:

Yeah.

868

:

And keep being kind of

pleasantly surprised by how

869

:

much I can stand, you know,

870

:

Beck: Yeah.

871

:

Dash: don't know if it's a good thing yet,

but still kicking for better or worse.

872

:

Beck: There's something to that.

873

:

Dash: Yep.

874

:

Beck: Nearly everybody I know has died.

875

:

So there's something to be said for being

876

:

alive.

877

:

I,

878

:

Dash: Yeah, they're gonna send

me to the Mayo Clinic to try

879

:

to figure out what's wrong with

880

:

Beck: I saw that.

881

:

You know, I have a friend that goes

there, um, and she has a very rare,

882

:

it produces tumors in her bodies,

whatever the, the illness is.

883

:

she's had like eight tumors

removed or something like

884

:

that over the last few years.

885

:

but they're very good at

finding out when things

886

:

strange are wrong with you.

887

:

That's the place you need to be going.

888

:

So I'm glad your doctor was

like, let's get you there.

889

:

Dash: Yeah.

890

:

Yeah.

891

:

She sent me a message, said

that, and I was like, well, Lord,

892

:

what in the hell?

893

:

Okay.

894

:

Although ICE is there now, the

one in Rochester, that's what

895

:

the one where they're gonna

send me ice is there right now.

896

:

Because a lot of the doctors

who work there are immigrants.

897

:

Beck: Even the doctors aren't safe.

898

:

Dash: Oh, no.

899

:

Mm-hmm.

900

:

so, uh, no, nobody,

901

:

nobody is safe.

902

:

from them.

903

:

But it's more about like how

easily they can gain access to you.

904

:

So if there's a place where

there's a concentration of either.

905

:

Homeless people or people who have

fewer resources, um, like a reservation.

906

:

that's how they're getting indigenous

folks is they're under vagrancy.

907

:

Beck: Where are they sending indigenous

908

:

folks?

909

:

Where are they deporting them to?

910

:

Dash: They're not, deporting anybody.

911

:

They're not, they're not these.

912

:

So ICE is not deporting these folks.

913

:

They're putting them in centers,

they're staying in America, they're

914

:

going to centers, or they're going to

that, uh, that place that 60 Minutes

915

:

tried to hide the piece about, you

remember what I'm talking about?

916

:

Beck: No.

917

:

Dash: Okay, so this is a whole

nother media thing, but, um, so CBS

918

:

has a new director of programming

named Barry Bari Weiss, who is a

919

:

queer woman, but is like wildly

conservative and racist and reactionary.

920

:

and 60 Minutes had been making a piece

on the place in El Salvador where they're

921

:

deporting quote unquote people too,

and it's a fucking concentration camp.

922

:

And so 60 Minutes was all

set to air this piece.

923

:

And Bari Weiss, she, um, scrapped it, but

she didn't, I guess, I guess she forgot

924

:

that Canada exists and c and and CBS airs

in other places, and that VPNs exist.

925

:

And so people, somebody in Canada

saw it air and actually recorded it.

926

:

So you can watch it now.

927

:

I can't remember the

name of the fac C cot.

928

:

C-E-C-O-T, which is, yeah,

in El, in El Salvador.

929

:

it's, there's PBS now there's

a news hour piece about it.

930

:

So it, it accidentally aired in Canada,

is what they're called saying happened.

931

:

no, I don't wanna, I love UPPS, but I

don't have time to donate right now.

932

:

The El Salvador prison called the

Terrorism Confinement Center, in English

933

:

is where they're sending these folks.

934

:

And it is, it's just a

torture camp, basically.

935

:

Beck: That's crazy.

936

:

Like who

937

:

are we?

938

:

Dash: well, I mean, I think it's

starting to become more obvious because,

939

:

you know, Linga, Auschwitz, daca.

940

:

Birkenfeld all.

941

:

They weren't in Germany.

942

:

There's a, there's a really great movie

about the, the way I don't, I don't

943

:

know how, what to really call this,

the movie's called Zone of Interest,

944

:

which is what they called the towns

or the locations that they would scout

945

:

to decide to put a concentration camp.

946

:

And so like, they obviously couldn't

be in Germany because it would be too

947

:

in the face of the, of the Germans.

948

:

And it could, it could tip them

over into outrage or rebellion.

949

:

You, there's a book by Manuel

Castels that we read when we were

950

:

in theory there called, um, uh,

networks of Outrage and Hope.

951

:

Do you remember this?

952

:

Beck: I do, but I've read so many.

953

:

I don't remember the book very well.

954

:

Dash: yeah.

955

:

And, and it's not super applicable

because it's about like.

956

:

Wall

957

:

Street, uh, you know, 99% or whatever it

was like that, that whole time period.

958

:

But it, he did a great job of

talking about the tipping point, the

959

:

moment that outrage becomes action.

960

:

and so there's that, that was what was

the takeaway for me about that book.

961

:

but so like that, if, if they had

had the camps in Germany, they

962

:

were risking that tipping point.

963

:

It was two in your face.

964

:

The, the people couldn't safely ignore it.

965

:

So the zones of interest were in either

occupied areas or allied areas around

966

:

Europe, and they would put a camp there.

967

:

And this movie is, um, shot on, it's,

it's just a regular old family, right?

968

:

He's a, Nazi officer.

969

:

I think he's commandant of the

camp, but they never show the camp.

970

:

You can hear it.

971

:

Sometimes you hear maybe gunshots

are screaming in the, in the

972

:

very back distance of a shot.

973

:

You could see maybe the smokestack

coming up from the crematorium.

974

:

But it's, it's so fucking

unnerving to watch this family

975

:

go about their daily life.

976

:

Their house servants are the

people with the shaved heads and

977

:

the striped pajamas and shit.

978

:

And it, it's very much about like, you

could be these people, any of us could be

979

:

these people because almost all of us are

looking for an out or a way to not have to

980

:

look directly at the horrors, especially

if we think we might be spared from them.

981

:

Beck: Right.

982

:

Dash: And I've been think, I've been

thinking about that movie a lot lately,

983

:

especially after this, um, this 60

minutes thing about the concentration

984

:

camp in El Salvador was, of course,

they didn't want us to see it.

985

:

Hm.

986

:

But that's where they're,

that's what they're doing.

987

:

They're not deporting anybody because

obviously, I mean, most of these people

988

:

are citizens, and if they're not citizens,

they just have never lived anywhere else.

989

:

Beck: Right.

990

:

Dash: And why else would they want

to revoke birthright citizenship They

991

:

want to, they wanna be able to send

their political enemies to these camps.

992

:

That's the end goal.

993

:

And they're sneaking in through

this immigration policy.

994

:

Bullshit and ICE is the Gestapo, and

you cannot convince me otherwise.

995

:

Beck: I agree with you completely.

996

:

Dash: back to Heather

Cox, Richardson's point.

997

:

They're killing white people now.

998

:

Beck: Yeah.

999

:

Dash: where's the Second Amendment people?

:

00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:33,730

I think I know where they are.

:

00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:35,200

I think they're in ice.

:

00:44:36,172 --> 00:44:37,222

Beck: Yeah, for real.

:

00:44:37,728 --> 00:44:39,618

Dash: we didn't do a very good

job of changing the subject.

:

00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:44,830

Beck: Well, I think sometimes we

just gotta talk about, you know.

:

00:44:45,086 --> 00:44:45,786

the things that are

:

00:44:45,786 --> 00:44:46,146

happening.

:

00:44:46,557 --> 00:44:46,977

Dash: I know.

:

00:44:47,452 --> 00:44:49,012

I did try to think of something goofy to

:

00:44:49,012 --> 00:44:51,352

do though for today's, uh, sponsor.

:

00:44:51,352 --> 00:44:51,892

So,

:

00:44:52,171 --> 00:44:57,426

maybe now is a good time to hear

from the Shakespeare of the Hollerer.

:

00:44:59,256 --> 00:45:03,126

Now is the winter of

our god dang discontent.

:

00:45:05,496 --> 00:45:06,966

it's cold as hell, y'all.

:

00:45:06,996 --> 00:45:09,936

The wind comes down the holler,

like a debt collector for

:

00:45:09,936 --> 00:45:11,226

a generation's old account.

:

00:45:11,226 --> 00:45:16,296

We can't possibly settle once was

promised spring warm and decent.

:

00:45:16,326 --> 00:45:17,856

They said it'd be early this year.

:

00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,086

They said that last year too.

:

00:45:19,176 --> 00:45:21,456

Spring is a liar and should be ashamed.

:

00:45:22,819 --> 00:45:26,479

The mountain just sits there judging

us in silence, like it knows we didn't

:

00:45:26,479 --> 00:45:30,349

bring enough firewood, but it is gonna

let us figure that out the hard way.

:

00:45:30,912 --> 00:45:32,322

The radio says sunshine.

:

00:45:32,322 --> 00:45:33,732

The sky says bullshit.

:

00:45:34,482 --> 00:45:38,082

The weather app says it's 34 degrees

because it's a liar, and it's on the

:

00:45:38,082 --> 00:45:43,244

take from big chem trail . I, who

was not made for this nonsense, nor

:

00:45:43,454 --> 00:45:47,624

designed for ice on the steps, must now

perform the ancient rituals of winter.

:

00:45:48,104 --> 00:45:49,634

Somehow slipping but not falling.

:

00:45:49,754 --> 00:45:52,514

Falling, but not telling anybody

and staring at the thermostat

:

00:45:52,514 --> 00:45:53,684

like it might change its mind.

:

00:45:54,114 --> 00:45:55,104

We have shoveled snow.

:

00:45:55,104 --> 00:45:56,094

We didn't ask for.

:

00:45:56,124 --> 00:45:58,254

We have salted walkways

that laughed at us.

:

00:45:58,404 --> 00:46:01,998

We have worn every shirt we own at

the same time and still been cold in

:

00:46:01,998 --> 00:46:06,161

the elbow . We We have stood in the

doorway saying, well, it's not that bad.

:

00:46:06,161 --> 00:46:07,541

While actively suffering.

:

00:46:07,768 --> 00:46:11,278

Yet we still endure with soup,

too hot coffee, too strong,

:

00:46:11,278 --> 00:46:13,198

and cat fur pocked blankets.

:

00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:18,118

So let winter rage on if it must let

the pipes knock like they're haunted.

:

00:46:18,388 --> 00:46:21,868

Let the truck not start for no

reason at all for the winter of our

:

00:46:21,868 --> 00:46:23,938

discontent shall pass eventually.

:

00:46:24,058 --> 00:46:27,957

And if it don't, we'll sit right here and

just complain about it A little louder.

:

00:46:28,167 --> 00:46:28,677

Amen.

:

00:46:33,897 --> 00:46:35,337

It is actually not that cold here.

:

00:46:37,604 --> 00:46:41,734

Beck: Yeah, it was in the sixties

yesterday here, but now it's like 25.

:

00:46:42,108 --> 00:46:46,128

Dash: Yeah, I mean it's, it's 20

here, but that's kind of warm for

:

00:46:47,028 --> 00:46:49,068

this part of, you know, Minnesota.

:

00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,320

I don't wanna jinx it though,

because everybody kept going

:

00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,910

like, oh, last winter was so mild.

:

00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:54,110

This winter's gonna be terrible.

:

00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:56,180

Last winter was way worse than this one.

:

00:46:56,180 --> 00:47:01,220

By this point, there were feet of snow

on the ground by January last year.

:

00:47:01,926 --> 00:47:05,436

Beck: We, we don't have any snow at

all in our, in our vicinity right now.

:

00:47:05,706 --> 00:47:10,506

Um, there are baby's footprints all over

my yard in the mud, and that makes me sad.

:

00:47:11,916 --> 00:47:15,696

But yeah, memories of her are everywhere.

:

00:47:15,696 --> 00:47:18,576

Shannon doesn't wanna mop the floor

because it was real muddy the last day,

:

00:47:18,906 --> 00:47:21,996

and when we brought her in from going

outside, there's footprints on the

:

00:47:21,996 --> 00:47:23,256

floor in the living room,

:

00:47:24,426 --> 00:47:25,716

so we have a dirty floor right now.

:

00:47:25,746 --> 00:47:27,666

'cause I, we don't wanna

get rid of her footprints.

:

00:47:28,649 --> 00:47:30,194

Dash: You gotta, you

gotta clean the floor.

:

00:47:30,194 --> 00:47:30,764

I'm sorry.

:

00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:31,887

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:47:31,887 --> 00:47:34,827

We'll, we'll, ain't

hurting nothing right now.

:

00:47:35,684 --> 00:47:36,614

Dash: No, it's not.

:

00:47:37,197 --> 00:47:38,487

And people have done much weirder

:

00:47:38,487 --> 00:47:39,837

things because they were sad.

:

00:47:40,644 --> 00:47:41,184

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:47:41,403 --> 00:47:42,948

a little mud on the floor

ain't never hurt nobody.

:

00:47:49,197 --> 00:47:50,697

I am not ready for school to start.

:

00:47:50,697 --> 00:47:51,417

I'm really not.

:

00:47:51,477 --> 00:47:52,857

Mentally, I'm not prepared.

:

00:47:53,967 --> 00:47:55,917

If I had like two more

weeks, I would be good.

:

00:47:55,917 --> 00:47:57,447

I think like two more weeks.

:

00:47:57,807 --> 00:48:01,287

But alas, I do not get two more weeks.

:

00:48:01,864 --> 00:48:02,084

Dash: No

:

00:48:02,556 --> 00:48:05,796

Beck: But where I'm teaching one,

one class online, I only have three

:

00:48:05,796 --> 00:48:07,416

classes on campus this semester.

:

00:48:07,416 --> 00:48:09,816

So that makes it, um, not as rough.

:

00:48:10,086 --> 00:48:13,866

t on Tuesdays I have class at:

on Tuesdays and Thursdays I have

:

00:48:13,866 --> 00:48:16,236

class at:

:

00:48:16,728 --> 00:48:16,818

Dash: Oh.

:

00:48:17,233 --> 00:48:17,683

Beck: Yeah,

:

00:48:17,931 --> 00:48:18,951

Dash: that sucks.

:

00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:19,191

Beck: yeah.

:

00:48:19,251 --> 00:48:22,011

But it's gonna make me be on campus

and do some writing on Tuesdays

:

00:48:22,011 --> 00:48:23,511

and Thursdays, no matter what I do.

:

00:48:23,571 --> 00:48:26,781

So I'm gonna do my office

hours on Tuesdays, which is

:

00:48:26,781 --> 00:48:28,521

just more time sitting around.

:

00:48:28,521 --> 00:48:31,491

But, I can go to my office

for a couple of hours and, and

:

00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:32,211

work there.

:

00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:33,603

so I'm make it work.

:

00:48:33,963 --> 00:48:35,823

And on Mondays, I don't have

to be there till four 30.

:

00:48:36,063 --> 00:48:36,513

So

:

00:48:37,896 --> 00:48:40,746

Dash: You could, um, you could

go for walks and stuff too.

:

00:48:41,081 --> 00:48:42,011

Beck: in this winter

:

00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:44,993

Dash: Do y'all get

memberships to the gym there?

:

00:48:45,102 --> 00:48:45,552

I'm not saying

:

00:48:45,552 --> 00:48:46,157

you should go to the gym.

:

00:48:47,855 --> 00:48:48,035

Beck: it.

:

00:48:48,475 --> 00:48:48,765

Dash: Okay.

:

00:48:49,715 --> 00:48:50,375

Beck: I'll cut you off.

:

00:48:50,375 --> 00:48:52,325

Like my friend that made me,

that sent me the link for the

:

00:48:52,325 --> 00:48:53,915

Biggest Loser application.

:

00:48:54,695 --> 00:48:55,715

I haven't talked to that bit.

:

00:48:55,745 --> 00:48:56,435

Oh yeah.

:

00:48:56,495 --> 00:48:58,475

I haven't talked to that

bitch in like 20 years.

:

00:48:58,879 --> 00:49:00,049

I'm still pissed about that.

:

00:49:00,349 --> 00:49:00,979

Not 20 years.

:

00:49:01,022 --> 00:49:01,472

Dash: What a

:

00:49:01,669 --> 00:49:02,689

Beck: years since I talked to her.

:

00:49:02,995 --> 00:49:03,945

Dash: Jesus Christ.

:

00:49:04,847 --> 00:49:06,492

Beck: Yeah, That's one of

the most rude things people,

:

00:49:06,492 --> 00:49:07,692

anybody, has ever done to me.

:

00:49:07,692 --> 00:49:11,082

Dash: Yeah, you can't, again, pe

people are out here just doing

:

00:49:11,082 --> 00:49:13,482

stuff of their own free will that

you couldn't torture me into doing.

:

00:49:13,795 --> 00:49:14,305

Beck: Right.

:

00:49:14,305 --> 00:49:17,935

People just like to be mean and I

don't, I'll never understand it.

:

00:49:18,352 --> 00:49:20,062

Dash: I don't, I mean,

I remember there have

:

00:49:20,062 --> 00:49:23,422

been times in my life when I have

been in a lot of pain and being mean,

:

00:49:23,422 --> 00:49:29,182

felt good, or at least felt like

a distraction from being in pain.

:

00:49:30,363 --> 00:49:32,197

You bring a noun of Appalachian interest

:

00:49:32,271 --> 00:49:36,621

Beck: I did, um, Shanna insisted

that I do a particular one this

:

00:49:36,621 --> 00:49:37,041

week.

:

00:49:37,401 --> 00:49:40,131

So this one is dedicated to my wife.

:

00:49:40,791 --> 00:49:41,241

All right.

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This week's noun of Appalachian interest

is clogs and no, we're not talking

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about crocs, not foam, not sport mode.

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we mean the shoes that you dance in,

the loud ones, the ones that turn

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your feet into percussion instruments

and make the floor part of the band.

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Real clogs are made for clogging,

which is a folk dance where your

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shoes do most of the talking.

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The heel hits, the toe taps,

and suddenly the dancers lowers.

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Half is keeping time

better than a metronome.

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The goal isn't grace so much as rhythm

arms are mostly along for the ride,

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just trying to stay out of trouble.

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Clogging shows up anywhere there's

old time or bluegrass music, and

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a floor that hasn't been warned.

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It's especially at home in Appalachia,

and fun fact, it's the official state

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dance in both Kentucky and North Carolina.

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If that doesn't tell you how

serious this is, nothing will.

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And while clogging often gets framed

into as the single rural tradition, it's

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actually a mashup of a lot of histories.

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The steps carry influences from

Irish, Scottish, and English dance,

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along with African American buck

dancing and native movement styles

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all blended together over generations.

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What started in living rooms with

furniture shoved aside, turned into

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dance halls, festivals, and competition,

it's still all about the community.

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Every time somebody pulls out those

clogs or starts stomping, they're

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carrying a whole lot of Appalachian

memory with them boldly, loudly,

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proudly, and right on the beat.

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Uh, team clogging really took off

in the mountains of North Carolina

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in the early 19 hundreds, starting

with square dancing groups.

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One famous group even danced at the

White House in:

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that if you stomp with confidence,

eventually the government notices.

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Today clogging shows up at

festivals, fairs and competitions

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where teams stomp it out for

prizes and pride through it all.

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The clogs stay loud and unapologetic

with no interest in being subtle.

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So here's the clogs, the shoes

that don't whisper, don't

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apologize and remind us that.

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an Appalachia, sometimes it's the best

music, comes straight from the feet.

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Dash: Awesome.

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I totally forgotten about that.

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Beck: We were discussing what I

should do for the noun this week.

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'cause I don't have any extras written

up right now, which I usually do.

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I write a few ahead of

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time.

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Um, so I was gonna have to write

one and she was like, clogging.

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And I was like, well that's

a verb that ain't gonna work.

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And, And,

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she tried to

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Dash: you know,

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Beck: two clog was not a verb.

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And I'm like, I'm pretty

sure that makes it a

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verb.

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Dash: that is, it's called an infinit.

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Beck: but yeah, clogging

is big in West Virginia,

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Dash: Cool.

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The, we would like horse around

and do it when I was in college,

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um, which is now that I think

about it, just really strange.

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Of course, we also would sit

around and drum, we would

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have drum circles and stuff.

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Like,

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Beck: right.

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Dash: I think, I think, uh, Appalachia

had an identity crisis in the

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nineties and the early two thousands.

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like what are we, we don't want

to be this like history of like,

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the racist history of the region.

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How do you rebel against that without

also giving up your identity as.

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A person from the region, like we were

just too young and stupid to actually

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know how to answer that question.

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So it was a lot of like cultural

appropriation and stuff, trying

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to prove that we weren't rednecks.

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It's like, wait a minute.

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No, you're still a redneck now.

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You just won with dreadlocks.

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Oscars over here chewing

on my thermometer.

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Beck: I've got two dogs stretched

out fully on the couch here.

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Pita in her pajamas.

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She's wearing fleece, uh, tie-dyed

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pajamas.

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She looks

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cute in 'em, but she stays cold.

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Hi, win.

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Woo.

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Ooh.

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Big stretch.

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Dash: I think I'm gonna take some

Benadryl and see if actually the,

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the swelling's gone down, but

I think it's a sinus infection.

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Beck: You just can't win, can you?

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Dash: You know, at this point I'm kind of

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like, could be next?

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You know,

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Beck: Yeah.

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feel that in my

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soul.

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What could

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Dash: if we're gonna keep this

up, we're gonna be, have to be

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getting creative soon, you know.

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but I think I'm gonna make

a pot of some chili too, so

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Beck: were thinking

about making some of that

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tomorrow.

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Dash: fuck

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Beck: Shannon's working

a lot this weekend.

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Dash: let's

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both post pictures of our, our chili then,

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Beck: you ever eat it with

a peanut butter sandwich?

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Dash: uh, I did the last time

I made chili because you told

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me to, and it was delicious.

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Beck: How would I told you?

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It's really like you don't

expect those two flavors to

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work together, but they absolutely do.

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It's so good.

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Dash: Yeah, It's strange.

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And then a glass of milk.

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Perfect.

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Beck: It's delicious.

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So listeners, if you've never tried

a bowl of chili with a peanut butter

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sandwich, what you had to do is take one

piece of bread, smear the peanut butter

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on it, and, and fold it corner to

corner so that it's a triangle,

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because then it's perfect for dipping.

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Dash: see.

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Yeah.

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I was wondering like,

am I supposed to dip it

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too?

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: I'll try that this time.

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Beck: I'm so glad you liked it.

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Dash: never heard of it.

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Yeah.

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My family didn't do that.

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Beck: Oh, that's how

they had it at school.

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Like you, when we went to school,

that was such a Southern Ohio thing.

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I think it came from like, we'd

have it the day after having

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hamburgers.

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'cause

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they would just recycle the, meat.

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They,

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Dash: Oh yeah.

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I mean, that's how we were at

McDonald's with the, um, sausage gravy.

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We would take the sausage patties

from yesterday's breakfast

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and make the gravy with,

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Beck: yeah.

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Dash: let's call it, um,

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I,

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Beck: I,

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Dash: that was episodes dedicated to

baby, dedicated to Keith Porter and Renee.

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Good.

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And anyone

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else,

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Beck: too.

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Dash: you know, and her wife and kids, or,

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Beck: Yeah.

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Though I

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did see there's a GoFundMe for them.

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They've already got 1.6

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million in the.

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GoFundMe,

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so

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Dash: They actually closed it.

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They were like, we've got plenty.

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And so now they've got, it's a

directory for people to give to

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other, uh, folks who need funds.

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So, um, you know, if, if you didn't

know about that GoFundMe still go to it

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and you can, you can, um, access other

places to give your funds there as well.

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And I, I'll see if I can find

that and put those links in here.

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Beck: Okay.

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Cool.

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Dash: but stay strong.

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Everybody laugh if you can, but

don't let 'em fuck you over.

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Beck: Amen.

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hug your animals once for me.

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Dash: That's right.

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And say hi to your mom and them.

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Beck: Bye.

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