Homewrecking Hillbilly Hogs

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Welcome

to Queer Next, the podcast that puts

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the Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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Is, is it an Olympics year?

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Yes, it is Winter

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Is it It's winter.

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Okay.

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I love the Winter Olympics.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: me too.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: They're

like, they're the Redneck Olympics.

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They really feel summer's kind of

proper, you know, like you, you're

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like lots of running and like sports

that everybody agrees are sports.

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But winter, it's like, winter is

like when the Winter Olympics are

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like the, the hold my beer Olympics.

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It's just like us finding new ways

to throw ourselves off of shit.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: like curling

has become a national phenomenon though.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

They do that up here

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

There's one in Bowling Green, a,

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: actually.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: curling center.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Have you ever been.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: No.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I wanna do it.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I

have a thing with ice that I

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don't know if I could do it.

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Like, I, so, okay.

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Y'all are gonna think I'm crazy

and a little bit weird and I am.

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It's okay.

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But like everyone has some texture they

don't like, maybe it's Popsicle sticks.

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Maybe it's cotton, maybe it's whatever.

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Everyone has like, some texture they

don't like my daddy didn't like satin.

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It just gave him the, the like,

goosebumps every time he touched it.

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I'm that way with like dry, not wet

ice, like straight outta the freezer.

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If it sticks to your

hand, it makes me gag.

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Like it, the, and the sound of two

pieces of ice scraping against each

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other makes me nearly throw up.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Wow.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

really hard for me to like scrape

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the windshield in the winter.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Oh goodness.,

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I remember the first year I saw curling.

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I think it was like 2009,

: 2000

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Was that Tokyo?

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: No,

Tokyo was during the pandemic

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or maybe they've had 'em

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Right.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: That was

the summer Olympics for Tokyo recently.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Okay.

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They were in China.

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They were Beijing.

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Okay.

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Oh, I got mixed up.

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Sorry.

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All Asians.

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is it, is snow apocalypse there yet?

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: It is

supposed to start, uh, tonight.

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We're supposed to get like two

inches overnight tonight, and

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then it's supposed to snow all day

tomorrow, and we're expecting between

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seven and nine inches after that.

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So anywhere between 10 and 12 inches,

I guess is what we're expecting

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total over the next few days.

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And that's not the really the bad part.

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It's that it is going to be wind

gusts of like 30 to 50 miles

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an hour and temperatures below

zero on top of all of that.

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So

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

I'm, I'm wondering if they're

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gonna have school on Monday.

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I don't know.

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I guess we'll see.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah, I,

it doesn't sound like they should.

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I mean, the wind is wind

and, and cold is a problem.

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Like a person can get, frostbite and I

think they, it's, I think it's, uh, 15

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minutes outside you can get frostbite.

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Mm-hmm.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: with

the highways and stuff like

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that, and professors coming

in, it's gonna be a mess.

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I don't know.

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We'll see.

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If they don't, I might do

my class online Monday.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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I mean, if you're allowed.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah, we are.

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Yeah.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I found

out I get to keep my job next year.

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I'm already scheduled for spring of 27,

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Well,

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

that's very good.

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I learned that because

of the faculty union.

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If they offer me a fourth

year, they're required to

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offer me a three year contract.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: oh,

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: So

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: okay.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah, it's

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either that or somebody hit the highway.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Those, those

three year contracts are pretty nice.

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Like it's, it's just a little bit

of security for a little while,

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but you're not having to pursue

like full tenure type shit.

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You just do your regular reviews

and then decide next go around.

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I mean, you hope they want you back.

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But I mean, a lot of staffing

is just inertia, especially when

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it comes to teaching gen eds.

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Like I, um, I know people who adjuncted

like that was they adjuncted forever

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because they were dependable and it was

all they wanted, they didn't want the,

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you know, the, all the other bullshit.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

what Jamie does.

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He adjuncts for the Pathways program.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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I, I dunno, I thought about it here,

but all, everything is so far away.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Try SNHU

or California Southern University

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has been advertised to me a lot.

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I guess they're ramping

up their online program.

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I've seen so much advertising

for them recently.

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But teaching online is interesting.

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It doesn't pay great, but they're

usually eight, eight weeks semesters

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and there's, I mean, there's a lot

of grading, but it's pretty standard.

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It's pretty cut and dry.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: SNHU

won't hire you in, in Minnesota.

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I think that those types of programs,

there are certain states whose employment

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laws or tax laws or something like that

don't vibe with what their setup is.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Got

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I don't

know, could be a minimum wage

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thing for, you know, but yeah,

SNHU doesn't hire in Minnesota.

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I mean, right now I'm, I'm back to

work at my, at my job here part-time.

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Uh, I'm just trying to do some stuff

remotely, trying to be of help in some

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way, while they we're onto the next thing

now with trying to figure out what's

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going on with my, my back and my neck.

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I really think that this is

just the rest of my life though.

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I mean, my whole life has already been

pretty much constant chronic pain, and

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it, it does make sense that at a certain

age, it would just simply get worse.

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So that could be what this is.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I keep

waiting for the shoe to other shoe

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to drop with my being diabetic.

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I've been diabetic, I've been

diagnosed diabetic since: 2014

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I

think it was recent for me.

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I think, I don't know.

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I mean, I've had the occasional

like blood sugar thing.

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I'm more likely to have low blood or like

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: hypoglycemia.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

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A tip somebody gave me one time, I,

because I, that would happen to me too

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when I would be working at weddings

and stuff, especially one time my sugar

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dropped real quick and a lady pulled out,

you know, those tiny little tubes of icing

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that you get to write on top of a cake?

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah,

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Keep one of those in your bag.

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It's pure sugar.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: my

Aunt Josie used to keep those

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really soft peppermints.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I, yeah.

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I'm allergic

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: butter mints.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I'm not

sure, but yeah, she had just a, a

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pocketbook full of various sugar candies.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I

keep, uh, Welch's fruit snacks

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in my bag in case that happens.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Well, this, that's smart.

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I love gummies.

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I don't know if I would, I would

just probably just eat 'em though.

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This wearable thing, I, I get like

a terrifying alert and alarm goes

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off when my blood sugar drops.

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I, I'm not a fan of that.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: my insurance

company sent me a new glucometer and

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some really futuristic, like, like look

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

We're tested in the future.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah, like,

so you like, look at this test strip.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

It's got a computer in it.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I know.

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It's like plastic completely.

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And it's like a, it's like a

computer chip and it's wild.

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And I don't know how to get these, I

don't know how to get these from my doc.

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I have a doctor's appointment in a

couple of weeks, so I'm gonna take

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it with me and have her write a

prescription for those, because if

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your insurance company sends them,

obviously they accept them, you know?

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: mm-hmm.

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I am tired of fucking doctors

and insurance and shit.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: you

and me both you and me both.

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But my doctor again refused my insulin

prescription until I come see her.

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So I really gotta go.

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I had an endocrinologist and

the, the woman that was the main

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doctor in the practice left and

so they were bouncing around and

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didn't have a doctor for a while.

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And I just haven't been in like

since I was living down home.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah, I'm

supposed to see one that's who prescribes,

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um, HRT for trans people most of the time.

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An endocrinologist.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: got you.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: But I just,

uh, I usually just convince a private

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practice doctor to do it for me.

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Like you already know the stuff you

need to know to be able to do this.

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Like I can teach you the rest.

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I literally am certified to teach

continuing education courses in this.

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Uh, Like I know that's a privilege,

like having, being able to, to kind

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of do that work with your own doctor.

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So, 'cause I would have to go and the,

the students were having to do this

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drive to the Twin Cities to see an endo

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: would pre

prescribe them HRT ' cause it's so

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common, you know, and I don't, I think

we've talked about this before, like

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doctors will just look you in the

face and say, why I can't treat you

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for that because I'm not an expert.

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they, you know, that they

don't say that very often.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Right.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: But they

say it to trans people constantly.

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They're so afraid and mystified by what

we are, what happens to our bodies.

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I don't even think it's that.

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I think that it's, it's,

it's an unconscious bias

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that we are so fucking alien.

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We are so unlike everybody

else, that we must have to have

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our own version of whatever.

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Like I need to go find a trans,

uh, cardiologist if I ever have,

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you know, some sort of heart thing.

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It's like, and and they'll say that.

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They're like, well, I don't know

what your, I don't know how your

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heart is supposed to behave.

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And it's like probably very

similar to many other people's

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: How

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does that even make sense?

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: They'll say,

oh, it's because you're on hormones.

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And hormones change things.

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Correct.

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They do.

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That's why I take them.

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Every other living human being

also has these hormones and like

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in a way it's kind of infuriating.

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'cause I have to gas them up.

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I have to be like, you're not

as stupid as you think you are.

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Like, you can do this.

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It's okay.

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It's called, um, trans

broken arm syndrome.

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Uh, there's some articles

been published by it.

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I actually think, I worked with the

doctor at the med school at SIU who

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first published this and, and doctors,

you know, they're not very good at

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examining their own culture, especially

the culture of their treatment.

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And so this person, it

was, it's a phenomenon.

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Very similar.

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Fat people experience it.

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People with disabilities or

chronic illnesses experience,

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uh, something similar too.

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But what he means by trans broken

arm syndrome is say, I went to the

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doctor with a, for a broken arm.

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You know, I suspect this arm is broken.

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And they said, um, well, we should

check your testosterone levels first.

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And then say, I have to, I have to

send you to a specialist who treats

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trans people for your broken arm.

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Which is one step further than

the version of medical bias that

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a fat person might experience.

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Where, you know, like you go to the

doctor and you've got a broken arm

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and you're a fat person and they

say, well, we need to do blood work

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and check your cholesterol and shit.

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Like, I, I seriously doubt

my cholesterol broke my arm.

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And so it delays treatment.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: like

when they did a pregnancy test

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on Shana because she had a UTI.

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Even though she insisted she was a lesbian

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

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Right.

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And, and medical bi and they all

fall back on the same thing of

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like, oh, it's just procedure.

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Or,

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: insurance.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: insurance

is a big problem too, but you

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know, I need to know this because

I'm dealing with you in this way.

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So like this surgeon in Fargo who

refused to put male as my legal sex,

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they're like, whoa, we need, we have to

deal with what your body actually is.

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Right?

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And it's like, you can do that.

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They don't understand that they're

playing into the social construct.

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Because the letter M has nothing to do

with the body that's looking at, that

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you're looking at right now, and, and,

you can't convince me that this is for

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paperwork reasons because you're actually

fucking my whole shit up right now

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Right.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: female here.

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My insurance doesn't know who

the hell you're talking about.

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I mean, they have fought me not as hard

as it would've happened in another state.

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Probably if I was a North Dakota resident.

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Oh God, I'm, I would say that

I'd be paying out, out of pocket

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for this, um, neck surgery.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Oh wow.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: they're,

you know how they're always looking

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for an excuse not to cover things.

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And so if, if a provider puts

the wrong sex for you, insurance

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is just gonna take that as an

opportunity to, to not cover it.

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Which, and that's a big reason

why I moved to Minnesota.

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There was, there's a small number

of states that insurance is both by

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law and by culture, um, more likely

to take care of a trans person.

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But this, this surgeon is in

Fargo, literally across the

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border, right into North Dakota,

like Fargo's right on the border.

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And the culture of treatment

is extremely different.

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Like they made me take

pregnancy tests there.

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'cause they were like, well,

don't you still have female parts?

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They, and they asked me that on the phone.

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I was like, oh, great.

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Okay.

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So it's gonna be that kinda experience.

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This was the pre-surgical screening.

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She goes, do you still have female parts?

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and I, I would've been an asshole

if I had been dealing with someone.

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That I had civil rights with,

but I don't in North Dakota.

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So I just said yes, because you know what

I would've said if it had been a Minnesota

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provider is what do you, which ones, which

female parts, females have many parts.

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Because if you make them say that,

you then can say, well, that part

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doesn't get pregnant, so I don't

need to take a pregnancy test.

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Right.

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A vagina doesn't get pregnant.

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You didn't ask me if I had ovaries.

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You didn't ask me if I

had functioning fallopia.

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You didn't ask me if I ovulate, you

know, you said, do you have female

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parts that could have meant breasts?

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That could have meant, and there's

plenty of, you know, like I, I didn't.

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Have the right to push back on it

because they could, they would have

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probably just refused to do the surgery.

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'cause they have the right to do that.

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In North Dakota, in most states, they

have the right to refuse to do surgery

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on someone because they're trans.

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So I just said yes.

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And so then they made me take pregnancy

tests 'cause I could be pregnant.

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And I was like, that's not

the question you asked me.

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You didn't ask me whatever.

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And, and then so they fall back on like,

oh, well it's about safety because if you

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were pregnant and we did this procedure

or gave you this drug or whatever, then it

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could be, it could be fatal for the fetus.

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And it's like, well, if we were

talking about pregnancy, we would've

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been having a different conversation.

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But we weren't, we were talking

about my gender and my genitalia.

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And I just had, I played nice with

them until I could get done with them.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Have you

heard of a quote unquote documentary, a

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frontline episode called Growing Up Trans?

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Have you ever heard of that before?

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

It rings a bell.

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There was a time when I was pretty

plugged in on that growing up.

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Trans?

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

It's a frontline episode.

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Yeah, here it is.

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I'm just

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Oh,

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: 00:13:58

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: about it.

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: 00:13:59

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

uh, I haven't seen it.

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: 00:14:01

It's quite old.

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: 00:14:02

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah,

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dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

I'll check it out.

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It's about kids, so I'm sure.

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: 00:14:07

I'm sure it has got some weird shit in it.

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: 00:14:10

what did you think of it?

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beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I, I can

see where I had some problems as

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the culture has changed a bit in the

last, you know, 15, 10, 15 years about

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the way we talk, the language we use

around things, that kind of thing.

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Not to say that that language is invalid

if people are still using it, especially

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if it applies to themselves, but.

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As a person who is not trans.

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: 00:14:29

The the language has gotten

more sensitive, in my opinion.

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And I found that to be kind of weird.

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: 00:14:34

I thought about showing it in class,

but I was afraid that, like some other

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words, students, because they hear

them, they will feel free to use them.

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So I don't know.

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: 00:14:43

And then I would have to address that.

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: 00:14:45

Also think it would be good for people

to see, you know, 10-year-old trans kids

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that look that are absolutely passing.

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: 00:14:52

Not that that is important, but I think

if people could see that these kids are

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just kids and they really are telling

the truth that they are this other

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gender, I think that that could be

mind changing for some of these kids.

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: 00:15:06

You know, to see that it does start that

early because the parents come on and

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: 00:15:10

they're like, at three years old, he

was already trying to, you know, take

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off his dresses and stuff like that.

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: 00:15:15

And I

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: 00:15:16

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah,

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: 00:15:16

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: would

understand that this stuff isn't

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: 00:15:17

just, you decide in high school

or you decide when you're 35.

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: 00:15:20

This stuff is from the

beginning a lot of people.

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: 00:15:24

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I, uh,

have to show things all the time

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: 00:15:27

that you use outdated, like discourse

out outdated ideas around things.

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: 00:15:33

you know, it's totally

possible to do that.

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: 00:15:34

I prepare like a little

pre, critical lecture.

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: 00:15:38

Talking, you know, saying first of

all, I chose this because of, you

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: 00:15:44

know, the fact that there's not a

lot of, uh, resources about this.

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: 00:15:48

You know, we're not spoiled

for choice when it comes to,

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: 00:15:52

information about trans children.

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: 00:15:54

That is because frontline, you know,

they would, it's a political subject.

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: 00:15:57

It's inherently a political subject,

but, you know, a source like Frontline

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: 00:16:01

is not going to do, they're not

gonna set out to be sensationalist.

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: 00:16:05

And so I will always say

this is this many years old.

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: 00:16:10

Um, you may, you'll hear these terms,

these terms and whatever, and these are

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: 00:16:14

no longer uh, appropriate to be used by

anyone who doesn't identify this way.

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: 00:16:21

because we have to, even when

it comes to like the super

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: 00:16:24

problematic, we have to show it.

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: 00:16:31

I show Parises burning fairly

regularly as part of, you know,

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: 00:16:36

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

I need to watch it.

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: 00:16:37

It's

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: 00:16:37

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: oh

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: 00:16:38

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

need to watch list.

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: 00:16:39

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: yeah,

it's, it can be hard to find.

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: 00:16:41

For a long time there, she, Jenny

Livingston, it was available nowhere.

402

: 00:16:47

You had to go through her,

couldn't even get it from Swank.

403

: 00:16:50

You had to go straight through her

to get the rights to screen it.

404

: 00:16:53

And they were a thousand dollars.

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: 00:16:54

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Oh.

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: 00:16:55

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Uh, I have,

I have beef with Jenny Livingston.

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: 00:16:57

A lot of people do.

408

: 00:16:58

This is not just me, right?

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: 00:16:59

Like, there's accusations that

she misrepresented, intentionally

410

: 00:17:04

misrepresented what she was

doing with the documentary to

411

: 00:17:07

the women that she chronicled.

412

: 00:17:10

And I, you could actually see it.

413

: 00:17:12

I see evidence, like the, the

accusation is that she kind of.

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: 00:17:15

insinuated that she was in some

way connected with the fashion

415

: 00:17:18

industry, that she could have been

a talent scout and she denies it.

416

: 00:17:23

But there's some scenes in this movie

where these women are obviously being

417

: 00:17:27

interviewed, talking about their hopes

and dreams, their career goals, and

418

: 00:17:31

it's like, well then how did this

become a trend in their interviews then

419

: 00:17:35

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Right.

420

: 00:17:35

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: if,

if you weren't bringing it up?

421

: 00:17:37

But it's available for

streaming somewhere.

422

: 00:17:41

Oh, it's on Tuby?

423

: 00:17:42

Yep.

424

: 00:17:43

It's free on Tubi and Plex.

425

: 00:17:45

Looks like you can get it.

426

: 00:17:46

It's on HBO Max as well if you have that.

427

: 00:17:49

So yeah, it's a, it's available more

places now, which is good because

428

: 00:17:53

it is a very important movie.

429

: 00:17:54

But the, the things that they do

and say about, their identities,

430

: 00:17:58

the ways they talk about gender.

431

: 00:18:00

You know, a lot, a lot of people

might hear that and hear that

432

: 00:18:04

as internalized homophobia.

433

: 00:18:06

I could agree with that.

434

: 00:18:07

You know, I think that in 20, 30 years,

50 years from now, we'll look back at

435

: 00:18:13

the ways that we talked about ourselves.

436

: 00:18:15

It's, and be able to see, okay, there

were some vestiges of internalized

437

: 00:18:18

transphobia or homophobia.

438

: 00:18:19

Like that stuff's always gonna be there.

439

: 00:18:21

We haven't eradicated that.

440

: 00:18:23

We're not living in some time where

we are fully able to deconstruct

441

: 00:18:30

our isms, our unconscious biases.

442

: 00:18:32

We're just not aware of them yet.

443

: 00:18:34

So when you feel like it's worth

it when you, it's, you're like

444

: 00:18:37

thinking about showing something

that is perhaps outdated and or uses

445

: 00:18:41

outdated language, does the reward

outweigh whatever risk there may be?

446

: 00:18:47

If the answer's yes.

447

: 00:18:48

Next, you start to go about a

way to mitigate that risk by

448

: 00:18:53

providing them, um, knowledge

about those pieces ahead of time.

449

: 00:18:58

Sometimes assign a reading, sometimes

just prepare a few slides, and then

450

: 00:19:03

afterwards that, that can also help

your post viewing discussion too.

451

: 00:19:08

But yeah, Paris is burning is a lot

of people they may not realize, or I

452

: 00:19:12

think, I think they don't realize, we

all think we invented culture, right?

453

: 00:19:16

So at the, our drag show

last year, we had a couple of

454

: 00:19:20

hosts, one of whom was an alum.

455

: 00:19:22

They were very sweet.

456

: 00:19:23

It, it was kind of, they were awful.

457

: 00:19:25

They were actually terrible MCs, but

they were so like authentic and sweet.

458

: 00:19:31

And because the one was an alum,

like there was some affection for

459

: 00:19:34

the, the campus in the space and

it, it worked, you know, sometimes.

460

: 00:19:39

Sometimes it's not about like being

a professional who's always polished

461

: 00:19:43

and on sometimes it's about that

authenticity and the students.

462

: 00:19:47

Absolutely.

463

: 00:19:48

They just loved being

able to have a mentor.

464

: 00:19:50

One was a trans woman of color.

465

: 00:19:52

Who was, um, an alum, she's, uh, 39

years old, and the younger person who

466

: 00:19:58

was like her drag daughter referred to

her as mother before mother was a thing.

467

: 00:20:03

And I was like, wait a minute here.

468

: 00:20:06

Do you think Gen Z invented mother?

469

: 00:20:08

I was like, good god almighty.

470

: 00:20:09

Okay, we've gotta show Paris is burning.

471

: 00:20:12

Y'all didn't invent this.

472

: 00:20:14

And, and that it sounds

a little get off my lawn.

473

: 00:20:16

It's not about them taking

credit for something that they

474

: 00:20:22

inherited because we all do that.

475

: 00:20:25

There's a particular kind of

violence to erasure when it comes

476

: 00:20:31

to minoritized groups and the

people in that film are dead.

477

: 00:20:37

And they died young.

478

: 00:20:39

I mean, not all of them.

479

: 00:20:40

Some of them are still alive,

but they died of violence.

480

: 00:20:42

they died of HIV aids.

481

: 00:20:44

They died of ill health and not

having access to healthcare.

482

: 00:20:48

Uh, they died of poverty.

483

: 00:20:50

And so like, I, all that is to say

to anyone out there like, engage with

484

: 00:20:55

problematic texts if the, if the reward

outweighs the risk because it, it's

485

: 00:21:00

possible for us to lose ourselves or

especially our, our old selves, right?

486

: 00:21:05

And then the people who are

still around the elders.

487

: 00:21:08

Does anybody call you a queer elder?

488

: 00:21:10

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Um, Yes.

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: 00:21:12

The students have called me that

a few times over the years, so

490

: 00:21:16

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I know

491

: 00:21:17

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

personally claim it.

492

: 00:21:18

So,

493

: 00:21:19

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah, exactly.

494

: 00:21:20

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I'm

in that weird generation between

495

: 00:21:21

Gen X and between the millennials

we're called centennials, right?

496

: 00:21:25

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Mm-hmm.

497

: 00:21:25

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: last ones

to outside without computers and the

498

: 00:21:28

first ones to have computers in school

and, you know, kind of one foot on

499

: 00:21:33

either side of the digital divide.

500

: 00:21:35

So,

501

: 00:21:36

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

502

: 00:21:36

Yeah.

503

: 00:21:37

I'm technically a, a first

year millennial, so the

504

: 00:21:40

very, very first year of

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: 00:21:42

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: you're an elder

506

: 00:21:42

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: that.

507

: 00:21:43

Right.

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: 00:21:44

I'm an elder, queer millennial.

509

: 00:21:46

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

510

: 00:21:46

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

511

: 00:21:47

I know there, especially gay men,

I know some, some gay men who

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: 00:21:50

are like, react negatively to

being called a, a queer elder.

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: 00:21:54

Maybe that is part of, well, they

also, have you ever heard the phrase,

514

: 00:21:58

uh, gay, gay dead or gay death?

515

: 00:22:02

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I've

516

: 00:22:02

heard of lesbian bed death.

517

: 00:22:04

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Yeah, which is another kind of

518

: 00:22:05

problematic, but no gay death is

apparently, uh, a gay man over 30.

519

: 00:22:10

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

How does that even work out?

520

: 00:22:11

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Their

currency, their cultural cachet,

521

: 00:22:14

their, their relevance is youth.

522

: 00:22:17

so I first heard the

term it's very flippant.

523

: 00:22:19

A lot of, a lot of cis gay

culture, especially cis gay,

524

: 00:22:22

white culture is, is flippant.

525

: 00:22:24

Dismissive does not consider

the experiences of anyone else.

526

: 00:22:28

Um, I've seen a couple of examples

of that lately, but I heard some kids

527

: 00:22:32

say it while I was working there.

528

: 00:22:34

And, uh, the, the little center that

they had there, it was not center, it

529

: 00:22:38

was just some like, uh, high cubicle

walls, you know, there on the OMA floor.

530

: 00:22:44

So when they were in there, you

know, Kiking or whatever, like

531

: 00:22:46

with it, we could hear them.

532

: 00:22:48

They were pretty audible.

533

: 00:22:49

And so, but I heard someone say.

534

: 00:22:51

They were talking about gay death,

and somebody said, what is gay death?

535

: 00:22:54

They're like, oh, you know when you,

when you hit 30, that's gay dead.

536

: 00:22:56

And I was like, I went in

there and I said, I, I'm not

537

: 00:22:59

gonna do this to you all often.

538

: 00:23:01

And I know it's uncomfortable knowing that

someone has heard something you've said.

539

: 00:23:04

Right.

540

: 00:23:04

I wish you had a more secure

space to, to be yourselves.

541

: 00:23:08

But, our community is one for whom

30 was, uh, aspirational, like the

542

: 00:23:17

full fully, uh, in the eighties,

seventies and eighties and nineties.

543

: 00:23:21

Our community knew that to reach the

age of 30 would've been a miracle.

544

: 00:23:26

So like, I get the joke.

545

: 00:23:28

I understand what you're describing.

546

: 00:23:29

You're describing a real problem in,

in the gay community that is ageist.

547

: 00:23:32

I get it.

548

: 00:23:33

I understand our humor or whatever, but

let's not call it gay death to get old.

549

: 00:23:38

Like maybe can we, let's reframe this

a little bit in a way that honors the.

550

: 00:23:43

Millions of people that never saw 30.

551

: 00:23:46

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

What'd they say?

552

: 00:23:47

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

They were like, uh, okay.

553

: 00:23:49

Yeah.

554

: 00:23:49

Oh, snap.

555

: 00:23:50

I, I, I get it.

556

: 00:23:51

And it was students that I had a

relationship with, so I wasn't, I didn't

557

: 00:23:54

often police their language, but I was

first of all conscious of the, well, I,

558

: 00:23:58

I know that I was reacting, you know,

outta my own emotions, but also conscious

559

: 00:24:02

of the fact that these were student

leaders in the space and everybody

560

: 00:24:05

could hear what they were saying.

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: 00:24:06

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

562

: 00:24:07

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: But yeah, I

was also kind of, I was also reacting

563

: 00:24:09

emotionally 'cause I was like, oh,

564

: 00:24:10

I mean, I know people who died of aids,

565

: 00:24:14

not many, but.

566

: 00:24:15

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Most of

the people that I know that have

567

: 00:24:17

it have lived a very long life.

568

: 00:24:19

So that speaks to the power

of the medications and the

569

: 00:24:22

technology that have come along.

570

: 00:24:23

I've known people that have

been sick for 20, 25 years.

571

: 00:24:27

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah,

there was a case, there was someone

572

: 00:24:30

actually in Jellico who had it, and

they were, this was the first time

573

: 00:24:34

that I remember anyway, uh, this is

a, a friend of a friend of David's

574

: 00:24:39

had been intimate with this person.

575

: 00:24:41

And so he was telling me how worried

he was and I'm pretty sure that he had

576

: 00:24:46

also been intimate with this person.

577

: 00:24:48

' Cause he was like, yeah,

there's a, there's a guy down

578

: 00:24:49

Jellico Hospital dying of aids.

579

: 00:24:51

And, you know, my, my friend

had been sleeping with him and

580

: 00:24:55

so, and I was like, and were you

sleeping with any of these people?

581

: 00:24:59

Like, should we get you tested?

582

: 00:25:01

Everybody ignored it until

it came home, I guess.

583

: 00:25:04

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I just

read a good book and I've already

584

: 00:25:05

forgotten the name of it, unfortunately.

585

: 00:25:07

I literally read it like four months

ago about a guy, it, it was the, the

586

: 00:25:12

early nineties, and a guy comes home

to his home in southern Ohio and he

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: 00:25:15

has, he's, he's gay from new, he had

moved to New York when he was like 17,

588

: 00:25:20

and he came home after his lover died

and he was dying of aids and he came

589

: 00:25:23

home to his parents' house and it was

how the, the town reacted to him and

590

: 00:25:27

how his sister reacted and his grandma

reacted and, you know, all of that.

591

: 00:25:31

And it was, it was very eye-opening.

592

: 00:25:33

I'm glad I read it.

593

: 00:25:34

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Hmm.

594

: 00:25:34

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Shanna had an uncle.

595

: 00:25:35

She, I think she remembered him like

very vaguely when she was two or

596

: 00:25:39

three, but it was her mom's brother

and he was part of the AIDS epidemic

597

: 00:25:42

and he died as part of all of that.

598

: 00:25:45

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah,

it, it never got too close to me.

599

: 00:25:48

I've known quite a few people who are

poz, but only just a couple of, like

600

: 00:25:53

six degrees of Kevin Bacon removed,

acquaintances who actually passed away,

601

: 00:25:57

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah,

602

: 00:25:58

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: and,

and some people that I like.

603

: 00:26:00

After I lost contact with them, I

found out that they passed away.

604

: 00:26:03

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I think

I've known more young people to

605

: 00:26:05

die of sepsis than I have of HIV.

606

: 00:26:07

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Isn't that crazy?

607

: 00:26:09

That's what Jiggly Caliente died of.

608

: 00:26:11

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

I don't know who that is.

609

: 00:26:13

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

She, she died last year.

610

: 00:26:15

She was, um, a comedian.

611

: 00:26:17

She was on an earlier season

of RuPaul's Drag Race.

612

: 00:26:20

And, she had sepsis and I How does,

how does that, it sounds to me like

613

: 00:26:24

dying of scurvy or something, right?

614

: 00:26:26

Like that's some like

615

: 00:26:27

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: That's

616

: 00:26:27

just when infection gets

out of control in your body.

617

: 00:26:30

Like my friend Jonas, I've

brought him up before.

618

: 00:26:32

He was only 41 when he passed.

619

: 00:26:35

He had back surgery and he was, uh, an

alcoholic and wouldn't quit drinking

620

: 00:26:39

and he got drunk while he was recovering

from back surgery several times.

621

: 00:26:43

And that led to sepsis.

622

: 00:26:44

And he died.

623

: 00:26:45

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Wow.

624

: 00:26:46

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yep.

625

: 00:26:47

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Death is sneaky.

626

: 00:26:48

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yep.

627

: 00:26:49

He's in the same cemetery that

I'm gonna be buried in though,

628

: 00:26:52

so at least I have friends there.

629

: 00:26:58

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: You know what

I thought about was getting programs

630

: 00:27:01

ready for Black History month at work.

631

: 00:27:03

I'm not able to do much.

632

: 00:27:05

It's gonna be kind of lackluster.

633

: 00:27:06

We, I think we've only got like four

things to put on the, the calendar.

634

: 00:27:09

'cause I'm just not there physically,

but I thought like, we should,

635

: 00:27:14

this is my programming ring.

636

: 00:27:15

We should pick a movie to

review for Black History Month.

637

: 00:27:17

And then I was like, what in

the world are two white rednecks

638

: 00:27:23

gonna do for Black History Month?

639

: 00:27:26

Who in the world needs that?

640

: 00:27:27

Nobody asked for that.

641

: 00:27:28

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

642

: 00:27:28

Nobody asked for that.

643

: 00:27:30

Nobody wants this as the TV

644

: 00:27:31

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: No.

645

: 00:27:32

Oh, I watched the first episode

of that after I talked to you

646

: 00:27:34

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: It's

647

: 00:27:35

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: about it.

648

: 00:27:36

It was surprising.

649

: 00:27:37

Yeah.

650

: 00:27:37

It was really cute.

651

: 00:27:39

I've been doing nostalgia lately,

but feeling kind of nostalgic or I

652

: 00:27:42

think, I'm trying to feel nostalgic.

653

: 00:27:44

I don't if you ever do that, you're

like, I want to remember what it

654

: 00:27:47

was like to be in in another time.

655

: 00:27:49

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I think

everybody is feeling nostalgic for

656

: 00:27:51

2016 because that was before Trump

got into our lives too much, you know?

657

: 00:27:56

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

658

: 00:27:57

You know, something I realized

is, uh, I started transitioning.

659

: 00:28:01

In 2015.

660

: 00:28:02

So like my transition is exact arc of this

current hellscape we find ourselves in.

661

: 00:28:11

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: So you

picked a fine Time to do this,

662

: 00:28:13

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

yeah, apparently.

663

: 00:28:14

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: to be existing.

664

: 00:28:15

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Do you

remember what so in the place that,

665

: 00:28:19

that we were living there in northwest

Ohio is famous at the time, was famous.

666

: 00:28:22

I don't even know if this is

still true for always voting

667

: 00:28:26

for whoever becomes president.

668

: 00:28:28

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

I didn't know that.

669

: 00:28:29

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

670

: 00:28:30

Up until that point anyway.

671

: 00:28:31

And, and 2016 was no was the same.

672

: 00:28:35

Uh, it had the whole time that that

town has existed, it has voted the

673

: 00:28:40

exact same as whoever becomes president.

674

: 00:28:42

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: wow.

675

: 00:28:43

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: So, and

it was that, that sort of, I don't

676

: 00:28:47

know if you remember all those, the

white supremacists waking up there

677

: 00:28:52

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Oh yeah.

678

: 00:28:52

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: when tr

when Trump, you know, they would the

679

: 00:28:55

drive around in their trucks with the

Trump flags, the Oath keepers started

680

: 00:29:00

to wander around the small and ask

brown people to, to see their papers.

681

: 00:29:06

Shit like that.

682

: 00:29:06

I mean, that was going on in 2015.

683

: 00:29:09

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Known as a sun downtown.

684

: 00:29:10

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: yeah.

685

: 00:29:11

Yep.

686

: 00:29:12

And it's a very queer phobic town.

687

: 00:29:14

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

688

: 00:29:15

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I had all

kinds of horrible experiences there.

689

: 00:29:18

Uh, and where I lived too was kind of,

I mean, it was, it was a shitty part.

690

: 00:29:22

It was right downtown.

691

: 00:29:24

So there was.

692

: 00:29:25

A lot of like drunken fights

and things happened down there.

693

: 00:29:28

Like I saw somebody get stabbed

in the middle of the road

694

: 00:29:31

there on Prospect Street.

695

: 00:29:32

And then the Black Swamp Festival

would always be right outside my

696

: 00:29:36

door and those people would turn up.

697

: 00:29:40

And then I remember like the

politics began to get really charged

698

: 00:29:44

and injected into everything.

699

: 00:29:46

And that's what the rest of

the country feels like now.

700

: 00:29:48

I remember when I left, I was

like, I am never going back.

701

: 00:29:51

I'm never living here again.

702

: 00:29:52

Like if I moved back to that area,

it is gonna be in an adjacent

703

: 00:29:57

town or somewhere within commuting

distance because that was dreadful.

704

: 00:30:01

Somebody threw a cup of piss on me

705

: 00:30:02

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Oh

706

: 00:30:03

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

I was visibly queer.

707

: 00:30:05

It was the day after the election.

708

: 00:30:07

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Oh, Jesus.

709

: 00:30:08

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I

think they had been up all night.

710

: 00:30:10

I was walking to my therapy appointment.

711

: 00:30:12

I had therapy at like seven 30 in the

morning and it was kind of a walk.

712

: 00:30:16

And so I had to, um, start walking

at like six 30 to get there on time.

713

: 00:30:22

And I had been up all night too.

714

: 00:30:24

'cause remember that election

wasn't decided until like 3:00 AM

715

: 00:30:26

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah.

716

: 00:30:27

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: So I think

that they were just really, I think

717

: 00:30:30

they were out fucking with everybody.

718

: 00:30:32

And I think that they were drunk, but

they were in one of those like lifted

719

: 00:30:35

trucks with the Trump flags all over

it and just out bothering anybody.

720

: 00:30:39

And I was visibly queer at the time,

so just wrong place, wrong time.

721

: 00:30:42

That happens to me a lot.

722

: 00:30:43

That's something that, that, uh, you know,

I'm sure people of color know exactly

723

: 00:30:46

what that means, but you know, anybody

who has a marginalized identity, the

724

: 00:30:50

number of times you find yourself in the

wrong place at the wrong time is just

725

: 00:30:52

kind of astronomically high compared to.

726

: 00:30:56

That was actually not as

bad as the dip spit though.

727

: 00:30:58

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Ugh.

728

: 00:30:59

You told me about that

when you were in school.

729

: 00:31:01

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah,

730

: 00:31:02

I still threw all the clothes away.

731

: 00:31:04

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Yeah, I would've too.

732

: 00:31:05

That's disgusting.

733

: 00:31:07

When I think of Dipti Spit, I think

of this kid that I had in class,

734

: 00:31:11

and it was when I was still a ta.

735

: 00:31:13

So I was very early in my teaching

years and he was very intently pouring

736

: 00:31:18

over his book and he had an iPad and

he was watching a hockey game in the

737

: 00:31:22

middle of class, and he had a spit

bottle that he was actively using.

738

: 00:31:27

So he was sitting there chewing

and watching a game in the

739

: 00:31:31

middle of class, and I was like,

what the hell are you doing?

740

: 00:31:33

Why are you even here?

741

: 00:31:35

Like, know.

742

: 00:31:36

I didn't know how to

handle things back then.

743

: 00:31:38

So

744

: 00:31:39

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Well, you weren't, you didn't

745

: 00:31:40

have the authority to either.

746

: 00:31:41

Really,

747

: 00:31:42

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: yeah.

748

: 00:31:42

Though I do have a clause in my syllabus

that says I reserve the right to ask

749

: 00:31:46

any student to leave for any reason.

750

: 00:31:48

' cause I mean, I've had a couple of times

where my students have just been way

751

: 00:31:51

outta pocket and they just need to go, you

752

: 00:31:54

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: really,

753

: 00:31:55

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: yeah.

754

: 00:31:55

Like the time that I had a kid.

755

: 00:31:57

The only time I've ever thrown

somebody outta class the

756

: 00:31:59

kid, there's a fly in here.

757

: 00:32:01

The kid

758

: 00:32:01

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I can see it.

759

: 00:32:02

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: it

has this vengeance set on me.

760

: 00:32:05

No.

761

: 00:32:05

This kid we were talking about,

uh, sexual assault and consent and

762

: 00:32:09

that kind of thing, and he started

screaming that Bill Cosby was framed.

763

: 00:32:14

And my mouth threw him out before my

brain even knew what was going on.

764

: 00:32:17

I was like, you need to go.

765

: 00:32:18

You need to go.

766

: 00:32:19

And he bitched and moaned and

pissed, and slammed and all that.

767

: 00:32:22

But he left and he tried to go to my boss.

768

: 00:32:26

And I, because he had been a problem

several times because he was a

769

: 00:32:30

freshman football player and he thought

that he was extra special for that.

770

: 00:32:33

So he would come in late every day, he'd

fall asleep in the back of the room.

771

: 00:32:36

He'd always have his cell phone out.

772

: 00:32:38

He was rude to me in several

different, and I had kept my

773

: 00:32:41

boss, uh, uh, abreast of these

774

: 00:32:44

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Mm-hmm.

775

: 00:32:44

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: you

know, like you're supposed to.

776

: 00:32:46

And he was like, who's your boss?

777

: 00:32:47

And I was like, wrote it down for him.

778

: 00:32:49

And I was like, here you go.

779

: 00:32:50

And he went.

780

: 00:32:51

And by the time he came back to

me, he had agreed with her that

781

: 00:32:54

he was gonna be on time for class.

782

: 00:32:56

He was gonna, uh, stay awake during

class and that he was gonna do his

783

: 00:33:00

work because she threatened to tell

his coach about everything that

784

: 00:33:03

I had already told her about him.

785

: 00:33:05

So,

786

: 00:33:05

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Oh,

787

: 00:33:06

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: yeah.

788

: 00:33:07

So he

789

: 00:33:07

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: that's nice.

790

: 00:33:08

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Yeah, but it was the same kid

791

: 00:33:10

causing all those problems.

792

: 00:33:11

He, he ended up famously transferring

to another school a few weeks after

793

: 00:33:16

that, so, or like the next semester.

794

: 00:33:18

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

Bill Cosby was framed.

795

: 00:33:20

I remember all the white people who were

absolutely white knighting for Bill Cosby.

796

: 00:33:27

like even my, my, uh, grandparents

who were Trump supporters, they

797

: 00:33:31

were like, they're just trying

to ruin his life or whatever.

798

: 00:33:33

And I started thinking, I was like, what?

799

: 00:33:35

when have white people shown up en

mass to defend a person of color?

800

: 00:33:40

And I, this the nerd in me, I started

doing research and like there plenty

801

: 00:33:45

of people of color had written either,

you know, articles or blogs or actual

802

: 00:33:51

like scholarship on why Bill Cosby

was the white person's black comedian.

803

: 00:33:58

Because he was, he, he was the

mouthpiece of respectability politics.

804

: 00:34:02

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Right.

805

: 00:34:03

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

he would tell other.

806

: 00:34:06

Black people publicly in the media

as part of his standup, he would

807

: 00:34:09

be like, tell them to act right.

808

: 00:34:10

You know, he would say, pull your

pants up and stuff like that.

809

: 00:34:13

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yep.

810

: 00:34:14

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: So white

people loved Bill Cosby because Bill Cosby

811

: 00:34:17

was, Are we allowed to say Uncle Tom?

812

: 00:34:19

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I, I

813

: 00:34:19

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I mean, well,

he, he enforced something that whiteness

814

: 00:34:24

benefited from on other people of color

publicly, like in the entertainment space.

815

: 00:34:29

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: call

that like internalized racism?

816

: 00:34:31

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I would,

yeah, I think it's more appropriate

817

: 00:34:33

to say something, to be descriptive

instead of using the term Uncle Tom.

818

: 00:34:37

Because I also, sort of thinking like, is

that a term for white people to even use?

819

: 00:34:42

How often is it even appropriate

for us to even be calling that

820

: 00:34:45

out, critical of that or whatever?

821

: 00:34:47

So, yeah.

822

: 00:34:48

In terms of Bill Cosby, I would say

whatever it was, whatever his motivations

823

: 00:34:53

were, proximity to whiteness, maybe.

824

: 00:34:56

I, he white people loved the fact

that he would enforce really outdated

825

: 00:35:02

respectability politics onto other

black people, in particular black men.

826

: 00:35:07

So, fuck Bill Cosby in general

though, because he's a rapist.

827

: 00:35:10

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yep.

828

: 00:35:10

And I was a, I was a big Bill Cosby fan.

829

: 00:35:12

I loved some of his standup.

830

: 00:35:14

He had some, some of the

funniest standup there ever

831

: 00:35:16

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Absolutely.

832

: 00:35:16

I still quote Bill

Cosby himself regularly,

833

: 00:35:19

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: yeah.

834

: 00:35:20

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

like, but you know.

835

: 00:35:22

mean, and that's kind of growing up

because like growing up is learning

836

: 00:35:26

that like many of the things that

you loved and even were part of your

837

: 00:35:30

growth and identity, were not so great.

838

: 00:35:32

We're, we're fucking

shitty for some people

839

: 00:35:36

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: right,

840

: 00:35:37

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: and we don't

get to go like, well, I enjoyed it though.

841

: 00:35:39

Like how, first of all, say

that out loud right now.

842

: 00:35:41

You know, somebody tells you

something, somebody has harmed

843

: 00:35:44

them physically or emotionally

and you're like, well, I like it.

844

: 00:35:47

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: right.

845

: 00:35:47

I kind of feel that way about my friends.

846

: 00:35:50

I have, we, when we lived, all

lived in the dorms, there was a

847

: 00:35:52

big group of us that were friends.

848

: 00:35:54

There's four of us that are core.

849

: 00:35:55

And then there's a couple of

like stragglers that, that we, we

850

: 00:35:58

have incorporated over the years.

851

: 00:36:00

And this one girl, she

is just a mean girl.

852

: 00:36:03

And she's the one that sent me

the biggest loser link to apply.

853

: 00:36:07

And that wasn't even all the,

all the stuff that she did,

854

: 00:36:09

there were several things.

855

: 00:36:10

And so we are no longer friends, but

I noticed that I've still got like

856

: 00:36:14

four friends in common with her,

and I have a little bit of beef with

857

: 00:36:17

them because if she was that awful

to me, they should get rid of her.

858

: 00:36:20

You know, but you

859

: 00:36:22

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah.

860

: 00:36:22

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: So.

861

: 00:36:23

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Now, have

you ever been in, uh, like dealt with

862

: 00:36:26

a friend breakup and like, they're,

they're like dividing up the friends.

863

: 00:36:32

Or like, you know, somebody, somebody

if with people who've been a couple

864

: 00:36:35

for a really long time and they have

the same friends when they break up.

865

: 00:36:38

Like you kinda have to pick a side.

866

: 00:36:41

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

I, I don't know.

867

: 00:36:42

I haven't really been friends

with a lot of couples that we came

868

: 00:36:45

into the friendship as the couple.

869

: 00:36:46

Usually it's one person and then they

find their person and then they get

870

: 00:36:49

divorced and we keep the original person.

871

: 00:36:51

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916:

It's only happened to me

872

: 00:36:52

like a couple times I think.

873

: 00:36:55

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

that has to be awkward,

874

: 00:36:56

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: It probably is.

875

: 00:36:57

For me it was not so bad because

I'm kind of good at, at, i'm not

876

: 00:37:02

sure what you would really call it.

877

: 00:37:03

I'm just able to do it.

878

: 00:37:04

I'm able to be, to stay friends with

879

: 00:37:06

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

compartmentalizing.

880

: 00:37:08

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah,

because it's, it's not, not taking

881

: 00:37:10

a side because that's stupid.

882

: 00:37:12

Nobody is impartial.

883

: 00:37:13

It, it was just like when I was with

one of them, if, if the other person

884

: 00:37:17

came up, it was like, you just listen.

885

: 00:37:20

They're not looking for

your opinion anyway.

886

: 00:37:22

Uh, so like, if, if your opinion

gets brought up and a situation

887

: 00:37:26

like that, it that's on you.

888

: 00:37:28

And a lot of times they're just looking

for somebody to listen anyway, so,

889

: 00:37:31

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Right.

890

: 00:37:31

Aren't we all?

891

: 00:37:33

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: yeah.

892

: 00:37:33

Well in honor of the weather, maybe it's

time to hear from this week's sponsor

893

: 00:37:36

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

Ooh, the weather.

894

: 00:37:38

Okay.

895

: 00:37:39

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: The weather.

896

: 00:37:40

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: already got

our Kroger pickup, so we're good to go.

897

: 00:37:42

We got everything for

898

: 00:37:43

French toast,

899

: 00:37:44

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: oh my god.

900

: 00:37:45

That's ex, that is our sponsor.

901

: 00:37:47

So

902

: 00:37:48

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: French

903

: 00:37:49

toast.

904

: 00:37:50

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: uh,

the special weather report is

905

: 00:37:51

sponsored by Milk Sandwiches.

906

: 00:37:54

And low.

907

: 00:37:54

The clouds did gather and

the meteorologist spoke

908

: 00:37:57

saying, accumulation possible.

909

: 00:37:59

And the people heard this

and were sorely afraid.

910

: 00:38:01

In unison, they toned milk sandwiches.

911

: 00:38:04

Thus the first seal was broken

and the bread aisle was laid waste

912

: 00:38:07

saved for gluten-free options, which

nobody knew anything to do with.

913

: 00:38:11

The second seal was broken and the

eggs vanished, though no one knew what

914

: 00:38:15

purpose and for how many breakfasts.

915

: 00:38:17

And the third seal was broken,

and milk flowed like a river.

916

: 00:38:20

2% in holes stacked into the heavens

in carts piloted by men in shorts who

917

: 00:38:25

heed not your meteorology, but rather

older, more heathen gods of khaki.

918

: 00:38:29

The fourth seal black ice milk sandwiches

were gathered in great quantity for the

919

: 00:38:34

people believed, if I have milk, bread,

and eggs, then surely I shall endure.

920

: 00:38:39

Endure.

921

: 00:38:40

What they could not say there

was wailing in the parking lot

922

: 00:38:44

and there was gnashing of teeth.

923

: 00:38:45

When the last loaf was taken

by a stranger with no shame,

924

: 00:38:49

there was one person yelling.

925

: 00:38:50

They're saying it's only

flurries, and no one listened.

926

: 00:38:53

But the prophecy had been fulfilled,

and though the snow fell, but lightly,

927

: 00:38:57

and the roads remained mostly passable,

the milk sandwiches were not in vain.

928

: 00:39:01

For the people who had performed the

ritual, they had shown readiness,

929

: 00:39:04

and they had said, as, as one

body, we will not face our maker

930

: 00:39:08

with refrigerator shelves empty.

931

: 00:39:10

So when the siren sing and the bread

aisle empties once more, go forth

932

: 00:39:14

children and gather your dairy.

933

: 00:39:16

Neither food, not logic, but instead

faith for the end, maybe nigh,

934

: 00:39:21

but it also might be slippery milk

sandwiches as it was for told.

935

: 00:39:25

Please panic responsibly.

936

: 00:39:28

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I got,

uh, brownie bites and I got Totino's

937

: 00:39:31

pizzas I got macaroni and cheese

and I got, uh, stuff to make chili.

938

: 00:39:35

'cause we never did make it the other day.

939

: 00:39:36

The hamburgers in the freezer.

940

: 00:39:38

So we've got everything.

941

: 00:39:38

So I just got another thing, a

hamburger so I don't have to thaw it.

942

: 00:39:42

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: I, I said

something about milk sandwiches one time I

943

: 00:39:44

was, it was an icebreaker, um, and nobody

knew what I was talking about and I was

944

: 00:39:49

like, it's, it, it's the store run before

a snowstorm hits it's milk sandwiches.

945

: 00:39:55

But yeah, I don't know.

946

: 00:39:57

When did we just all decide?

947

: 00:39:59

Because we apparently did that.

948

: 00:40:00

It has to be milk and bread and eggs.

949

: 00:40:03

What are we making with those?

950

: 00:40:05

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: A French toast.

951

: 00:40:05

That's the only logical thing.

952

: 00:40:08

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yeah, exactly.

953

: 00:40:09

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916:

I did get bacon.

954

: 00:40:10

I like to eat castleberry hotdog

sauce with just plain bread.

955

: 00:40:13

So we got some extra bread for that.

956

: 00:40:15

I'm trying to think.

957

: 00:40:15

We got some jello puddin, the cups.

958

: 00:40:18

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Ooh,

959

: 00:40:18

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: We get

the vanilla chocolate swirl one.

960

: 00:40:21

Oh, it's so good.

961

: 00:40:22

Oh, I got a cherry or a

strawberry cheesecake too.

962

: 00:40:24

It's in the fridge.

963

: 00:40:25

Thawing

964

: 00:40:26

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: damn.

965

: 00:40:27

I, so I've been, I've been following

my, my diet and things, trying to get

966

: 00:40:31

my macros to the best of my ability.

967

: 00:40:32

I mean, most of the time I don't do it

because they want me to have an insane

968

: 00:40:36

amount of protein and next to no carbs.

969

: 00:40:39

And I'm like, girl, I'll do my best.

970

: 00:40:41

But I'm, I'm not.

971

: 00:40:42

But I to get the amount

of protein they want.

972

: 00:40:45

'cause I don't have much of

an appetite right now either.

973

: 00:40:47

So I got some protein powder Vanessa

sent me, like this gigantic bag

974

: 00:40:52

of whey protein isolate, but it's

flavored like vanilla bean something.

975

: 00:40:58

And so if you put that in like Greek

yogurt, it kind of tastes like ice cream.

976

: 00:41:03

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Nice.

977

: 00:41:04

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: and so like

you, I, I can put it in granola or put

978

: 00:41:07

it on top of like some sort of pastry if

I wanted to, which I don't normally get.

979

: 00:41:12

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Have

980

: 00:41:12

you seen The Nature Valley came

out with a bag of granola bits that

981

: 00:41:16

are just their broken granola bars.

982

: 00:41:18

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Nope.

983

: 00:41:19

But I.

984

: 00:41:19

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I

bought 'em, it says 34 bars in

985

: 00:41:22

here or something like that.

986

: 00:41:23

It's a crazy number of, of, but they're,

they're unwrapped in just big pieces.

987

: 00:41:26

And I love it with like, I

love a good parfait with a

988

: 00:41:29

fruit and yogurt with granola.

989

: 00:41:31

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Yep,

that's what I've been doing.

990

: 00:41:33

I've got like the low fat Greek

yogurt 'cause it's a ton of protein

991

: 00:41:37

and then I'll bust up a gram cracker

and then put, uh, I think it's kind.

992

: 00:41:42

Sometimes I get or bare naked

the crumbles of granola and

993

: 00:41:47

then stir that powder in there.

994

: 00:41:49

It's pretty, pretty delicious.

995

: 00:41:51

I hate having to think about

food all the time, though.

996

: 00:41:53

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: Yeah, me too.

997

: 00:41:59

dash_23_01-24-2026_121916: Oh, did you

bring a noun of Appalachian interest

998

: 00:42:02

beck_24_01-24-2026_131916: I did.

999

: 00:42:02

Did you see the video

I sent you on Facebook?

: 1000

00:42:05,182 --> 00:42:06,082

-: 2026

for, of the glass?

: 1001

00:42:06,082 --> 00:42:06,472

Yeah.

: 1002

00:42:06,652 --> 00:42:08,242

-: 2026

no, that it was the another one

: 1003

00:42:08,242 --> 00:42:09,472

that I sent you like yesterday.

: 1004

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-: 2026

: 1005

00:42:10,992 --> 00:42:11,262

-: 2026

: 1006

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-: 2026

I don't have the, I don't have

: 1007

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the Messenger app on my phone,

: 1008

00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:15,852

-: 2026

: 1009

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-: 2026

I have to go into Oh, I see.

: 1010

00:42:18,477 --> 00:42:19,462

No, I didn't see that one.

: 1011

00:42:20,112 --> 00:42:22,032

-: 2026

what it is after I do the the thing.

: 1012

00:42:22,397 --> 00:42:22,687

-: 2026

: 1013

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-: 2026

week's down of Appalachian interest

: 1014

00:42:25,712 --> 00:42:27,782

is a place called Hillbilly Hotdog.

: 1015

00:42:28,171 --> 00:42:30,901

If you've ever driven through

West Virginia and thought I could

: 1016

00:42:30,901 --> 00:42:34,025

really go for a hot dog and a

run of the bill experience, then

: 1017

00:42:34,025 --> 00:42:35,855

buddy, this place is not for you.

: 1018

00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,105

But if you wanna a hotdog

in a story you'll be telling

: 1019

00:42:38,105 --> 00:42:39,215

for the rest of your life.

: 1020

00:42:39,215 --> 00:42:40,835

Welcome to Hillbilly Hotdogs.

: 1021

00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:42,575

Hillbilly Hotdog in Las Sage.

: 1022

00:42:42,575 --> 00:42:45,875

West Virginia is not just a restaurant,

it's an Appalachian landmark.

: 1023

00:42:46,085 --> 00:42:47,795

It's a roadside situation.

: 1024

00:42:48,035 --> 00:42:52,295

It's what happens when someone looks at

an old bus, a shack, some scrap be, and

: 1025

00:42:52,295 --> 00:42:54,065

a dream, and says, yeah, this'll work.

: 1026

00:42:54,125 --> 00:42:55,685

And it does really well.

: 1027

00:42:56,165 --> 00:42:58,685

The menu starts with hot dogs,

but it does not stop there.

: 1028

00:42:58,685 --> 00:43:02,675

You can get toppings, you recognize

toppings you forgot about, and toppings

: 1029

00:43:02,675 --> 00:43:04,505

like onion rings and deep fried pickles.

: 1030

00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,220

These are not polite hot dogs.

: 1031

00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:07,840

These are real commitment dogs.

: 1032

00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:09,730

You don't eat them in

a hurry, you eat them.

: 1033

00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:12,940

Knowing your afternoon plans may

change, and if you're feeling

: 1034

00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:17,110

brave, like commitment level, brave,

there's the 15 inch homewrecker.

: 1035

00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:21,230

It stretches the limits of what a hot dog

should be and makes no apologies for it.

: 1036

00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:22,955

The name alone lets you

know that this is a serious.

: 1037

00:43:23,315 --> 00:43:23,915

Decisions.

: 1038

00:43:24,305 --> 00:43:27,366

Ordering it is a leap of faith and

Finishing it becomes a story you'll

: 1039

00:43:27,366 --> 00:43:29,166

tell for years, like a badge of honor.

: 1040

00:43:29,566 --> 00:43:32,236

Now, let's talk about the setting

you might eat inside an old school

: 1041

00:43:32,236 --> 00:43:34,216

bus you might eat next to a wash tub.

: 1042

00:43:34,516 --> 00:43:37,846

You might sit next to license

plate bras, signs, and myriad

: 1043

00:43:37,846 --> 00:43:39,466

things that defy explanation.

: 1044

00:43:39,736 --> 00:43:43,396

It looks like a yard sale and art

installation or a mystery hole all

: 1045

00:43:43,396 --> 00:43:45,646

rolled into one, but somehow it works.

: 1046

00:43:45,646 --> 00:43:46,936

That's Appalachian math.

: 1047

00:43:47,026 --> 00:43:50,296

And yes, because this place refuses

to be normal, they also have a

: 1048

00:43:50,296 --> 00:43:51,856

wedding chapel on the property.

: 1049

00:43:52,246 --> 00:43:55,726

Should you find yourself in need of

in one of a hurry, uh, that's right.

: 1050

00:43:55,726 --> 00:43:58,276

You can eat a hot dog, walk

a few steps and get married.

: 1051

00:43:58,276 --> 00:44:01,696

Nothing says commitment like vows

followed immediately by chili and slaw.

: 1052

00:44:01,936 --> 00:44:02,686

Love is real.

: 1053

00:44:02,686 --> 00:44:03,586

Love is lasting.

: 1054

00:44:03,586 --> 00:44:05,071

Love smells faintly like onions.

: 1055

00:44:05,632 --> 00:44:07,252

People come from everywhere to eat here.

: 1056

00:44:07,252 --> 00:44:10,192

Tourists, roads, trippers, and

even celebrities like Guy fii

: 1057

00:44:10,192 --> 00:44:11,932

from Diners Drive-Ins and Dives.

: 1058

00:44:12,292 --> 00:44:15,592

Some folks spot it on TV ads and

think, well, that's on the list now.

: 1059

00:44:15,982 --> 00:44:18,322

And locals, they don't make

a big deal of it out of it.

: 1060

00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:21,412

They just shrug a little smile and

say, yep, that's hillbilly hotdog.

: 1061

00:44:21,812 --> 00:44:23,642

Everything about this place is messy.

: 1062

00:44:23,642 --> 00:44:27,855

It's loud and chaotic, but mostly

it's just unforgettable and exactly

: 1063

00:44:27,855 --> 00:44:29,145

what kind of place that proves that.

: 1064

00:44:29,145 --> 00:44:31,065

Appalachia does not do boring.

: 1065

00:44:31,365 --> 00:44:35,325

We do character, we do flavor, we do

West Virginia slaw dogs with confidence.

: 1066

00:44:35,685 --> 00:44:37,995

So if you ever find yourself

hungry in West Virginia and

: 1067

00:44:37,995 --> 00:44:40,905

willing to trust the universe a

little, follow the science down.

: 1068

00:44:40,905 --> 00:44:42,645

Route two, grab a napkin or six.

: 1069

00:44:42,735 --> 00:44:44,625

And remember, this is not fast food.

: 1070

00:44:44,865 --> 00:44:47,527

This is mountain food that

knows exactly what it is, and

: 1071

00:44:47,527 --> 00:44:49,027

isn't asking for permission.

: 1072

00:44:49,387 --> 00:44:51,457

So that's this week's down

of Appalachian interest.

: 1073

00:44:51,457 --> 00:44:53,617

Hillbilly Hotdogs in

Las Sage, West Virginia.

: 1074

00:44:53,652 --> 00:44:55,087

Tell 'em Queer Next Senta.

: 1075

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-: 2026

God, this website's incredible.

: 1076

00:44:59,139 --> 00:45:01,149

-: 2026

video I sent you is the Diners

: 1077

00:45:01,149 --> 00:45:02,919

Dive and Dive, the, it's about

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00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:03,329

-: 2026

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-: 2026

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00:45:03,759 --> 00:45:05,439

It's the episode, I'll link it

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00:45:06,279 --> 00:45:07,809

-: 2026

in the newsletter this week.

: 1083

00:45:08,049 --> 00:45:09,999

But you can, you can actually

check out the place and they

: 1084

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show you some of the stuff.

: 1085

00:45:11,229 --> 00:45:14,229

There's a congressman that shows up

and eats a hotdog in the middle of it.

: 1086

00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:18,369

Like hillbilly hotdogs is, so I,

when my parents came to Huntington

: 1087

00:45:18,369 --> 00:45:21,309

one time when I lived there,

they had a store in Huntington.

: 1088

00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,819

And so we took him there one time and the

guy that owns it was there and he came out

: 1089

00:45:24,819 --> 00:45:26,679

and told us the story of the Homewrecker.

: 1090

00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,569

and it was named for exactly the

reason that you think it was.

: 1091

00:45:29,659 --> 00:45:33,499

They, the, they were, they were shopping

for a new product and the people that make

: 1092

00:45:33,499 --> 00:45:37,279

the hot dogs whipped out this giant one

and landed on the table, and his brother

: 1093

00:45:37,279 --> 00:45:38,989

was like, well, that's a home record.

: 1094

00:45:39,389 --> 00:45:41,849

And if you can, if you can eat it,

and I think it's like 10 minutes

: 1095

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or less, you, uh, you could get

it for free and you get a T-shirt.

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00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,159

So they have a challenge

that goes with it too.

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a, a picture on the, on the homepage of

: 1098

00:45:50,889 --> 00:45:52,569

the home of a woman holding the homework.

: 1099

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I guess this is sunny.

: 1100

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And it is, it's on a 16

inch pizza, uh, platter.

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A a and it fit, it's almost fills it up.

: 1102

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End to end.

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Oh man.

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I don't know about that, but I

tell you what, I would mess up

: 1105

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this coal miner, wiener dog.

: 1106

00:46:11,804 --> 00:46:13,004

Deep fried.

: 1107

00:46:13,404 --> 00:46:14,704

Uh oh yeah.

: 1108

00:46:15,104 --> 00:46:18,524

Deep fried weenie with some chili sauce

and some mustard and Cajun seasoning.

: 1109

00:46:18,524 --> 00:46:21,838

Jesus moth man, dog.

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can't say they're not creative.

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look legitimately, this is, this is like

: 1113

00:46:28,563 --> 00:46:33,423

some people, when they tried it to do,

you know, they get a little gastropod

: 1114

00:46:33,423 --> 00:46:36,543

about something, you know, they're

like, I'm gonna elevate the wiener dog.

: 1115

00:46:36,783 --> 00:46:37,593

No, you're not.

: 1116

00:46:37,893 --> 00:46:41,223

You can make it weirder, but you're

not elevating that thing nowhere.

: 1117

00:46:41,583 --> 00:46:45,463

Like, and, and so I like that

whole gastro pub scene, like kind

: 1118

00:46:45,463 --> 00:46:51,213

of, this is a deconstructed taco

bitch that's a pile of meat and you

: 1119

00:46:51,213 --> 00:46:52,533

can't tell me it's anything else.

: 1120

00:46:52,933 --> 00:46:55,153

And some of it, um, some of

it's delicious, I'm sure, but

: 1121

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like, it's the pretension that

I can't stand the pretentious.

: 1122

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-: 2026

at Hot Hillbilly Hot Dogs.

: 1123

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I'll give you

: 1124

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that.

: 1125

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-: 2026

the, this wedding chapel, like,

: 1126

00:47:04,188 --> 00:47:05,328

there's photos of it on here.

: 1127

00:47:05,328 --> 00:47:11,728

It is garish and wonderful,

just absolute trash.

: 1128

00:47:12,058 --> 00:47:14,848

There's a, there's a van up a tree there.

: 1129

00:47:15,525 --> 00:47:22,525

It's literally just a, a cabin

a, a whole s goggling cabin, uh,

: 1130

00:47:22,555 --> 00:47:27,705

halfway up a mountainside with

two trees and a just sheet metal.

: 1131

00:47:27,795 --> 00:47:28,485

Oh, I love it.

: 1132

00:47:28,885 --> 00:47:31,045

Listeners, please let us

know if you've been to here.

: 1133

00:47:31,325 --> 00:47:35,025

And if you live in the area and you

haven't take a trip, like take a

: 1134

00:47:35,025 --> 00:47:40,755

trip, take some photos and tag us on

Facebook or Instagram @Queernecks.

: 1135

00:47:40,935 --> 00:47:46,505

'cause I would love to see y'all, uh,

patronizing the establishment like this.

: 1136

00:47:46,905 --> 00:47:48,345

They have online merch.

: 1137

00:47:48,745 --> 00:47:51,085

-: 2026

any stores or little hole in the wall,

: 1138

00:47:51,085 --> 00:47:55,055

places like this that you could tell me

about that I could do for the down of

: 1139

00:47:55,055 --> 00:47:56,645

Appalachian interest, please let me know.

: 1140

00:47:56,645 --> 00:47:57,825

I would love to learn

more about the region.

: 1141

00:47:58,655 --> 00:47:59,705

-: 2026

Yeah, absolutely.

: 1142

00:47:59,705 --> 00:48:02,925

Like where's, where's the weird place

that can't be missed where you're from?

: 1143

00:48:03,645 --> 00:48:06,165

-: 2026

there's the, the footer stand.

: 1144

00:48:06,165 --> 00:48:09,485

Everybody got, everybody calls it

the, the footer stand where they

: 1145

00:48:09,485 --> 00:48:12,725

have a, a particular kind of chili

sauce that they use down there.

: 1146

00:48:12,935 --> 00:48:16,835

But you can buy an actual foot

long hot dog for like $2 and it

: 1147

00:48:16,835 --> 00:48:19,985

comes with sauce and chili and uh,

or sauce and onion and mustard.

: 1148

00:48:19,985 --> 00:48:20,495

I think.

: 1149

00:48:20,775 --> 00:48:22,395

I always get them without the hot dog.

: 1150

00:48:22,675 --> 00:48:25,465

I just get the sauce on the bun,

but then you can get like little

: 1151

00:48:25,465 --> 00:48:29,255

fried cheese squares and any

kinda ice cream you can imagine.

: 1152

00:48:29,525 --> 00:48:32,735

And it's still like: 1987

prices and it's delicious.

: 1153

00:48:33,035 --> 00:48:37,535

And you, it's, it's all lit up in

neon and you know, it's all outside.

: 1154

00:48:37,535 --> 00:48:40,955

You have to, you stand at a, a

window, it's like a dairy bar.

: 1155

00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:42,725

It's, it's called a dairy cream.

: 1156

00:48:42,975 --> 00:48:44,445

You can't, there's nowhere to eat inside.

: 1157

00:48:44,445 --> 00:48:46,605

It's just the restaurant and

everything else is outside.

: 1158

00:48:47,005 --> 00:48:50,185

-: 2026

some of the best diners is that in

: 1159

00:48:50,185 --> 00:48:52,975

Eastern Kentucky specifically, that

there's a whole culture of that,

: 1160

00:48:53,035 --> 00:48:53,395

-: 2026

: 1161

00:48:53,635 --> 00:48:55,585

-: 2026

window and place your order.

: 1162

00:48:55,795 --> 00:48:57,625

It's like a food truck

that doesn't go anywhere.

: 1163

00:48:57,835 --> 00:49:01,675

And then there might be some picnic

tables, but mostly people just sitting

: 1164

00:49:01,675 --> 00:49:05,185

around on the ground eating their ice

cream or their hot dog or whatever it was.

: 1165

00:49:05,185 --> 00:49:07,745

They got, there was a place

in Carbondale, Illinois.

: 1166

00:49:07,745 --> 00:49:11,375

It was a Dairy Queen, but it wasn't,

it was a individual franchise.

: 1167

00:49:11,375 --> 00:49:13,765

It wasn't part of, and

you couldn't go inside.

: 1168

00:49:13,765 --> 00:49:18,755

And so they were only open from

like, uh, April to October.

: 1169

00:49:19,155 --> 00:49:21,950

And people, like, , there would be an

announcement on Facebook or something,

: 1170

00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:24,440

like, they would put it in the paper or

on the radio or on the news, and people

: 1171

00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,310

would be like, dairy Queen's open.

: 1172

00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,820

There'd be a line block

for blocks down the street.

: 1173

00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:31,460

And it was, it was so much better

than a regular dairy queen.

: 1174

00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:33,150

-: 2026

I love places like that.

: 1175

00:49:33,550 --> 00:49:36,040

-: 2026

a place in Corbin, the a and w stand.

: 1176

00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:36,970

Same thing, right?

: 1177

00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:40,210

It's A and w, but it's not

part of the franchise, I think.

: 1178

00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:42,010

I think Guy Fieri went there too.

: 1179

00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:43,820

-: 2026

it one of the drive up ones?

: 1180

00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:45,330

I love the drive up where

: 1181

00:49:45,375 --> 00:49:45,885

-: 2026

: 1182

00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,370

-: 2026

Like, like Sonic's

: 1183

00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:47,970

-: 2026

: 1184

00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:48,730

Mm-hmm.

: 1185

00:49:48,810 --> 00:49:49,650

-: 2026

they come out like that.

: 1186

00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:50,210

Yeah.

: 1187

00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:52,130

A and w root beer stand is very good.

: 1188

00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:53,160

We had one of those

: 1189

00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,910

in Portsmouth too.

: 1190

00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:56,555

-: 2026

I remember it was actually not far

: 1191

00:49:56,555 --> 00:49:58,535

from the drive-in movie in Corbin.

: 1192

00:49:58,955 --> 00:50:04,655

So you know, in the summer they'd both

be open and we would go, you know,

: 1193

00:50:05,055 --> 00:50:08,775

up there and either see the movie and

then hit up the, the root beer stand

: 1194

00:50:08,775 --> 00:50:11,655

afterwards or the other way around

and take it to the movie with us.

: 1195

00:50:11,865 --> 00:50:17,125

I worked with this guy named Jake, who

put, kind of took apart a futon and.

: 1196

00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:19,960

Built it back again in

the bed of his truck.

: 1197

00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:24,400

So the, the back bed of his truck was just

a futon and we would all pile in there

: 1198

00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,080

and go to the movies with our a and w.

: 1199

00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,040

That was just a couple summers I did that.

: 1200

00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,750

I worked at the, the Whitewater Rafting

Outfitters there on Cumberland Falls.

: 1201

00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,140

But yeah, lots of like interesting

experience the way, like I was in

: 1202

00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:41,910

school, I barely had any actual

experiences because I didn't get friends

: 1203

00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:46,840

until high school and I just tried to

stay busy and outta sight, like all,

: 1204

00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,400

I did a bunch of extracurriculars.

: 1205

00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,610

I didn't start actually trying to

do things until like my senior year.

: 1206

00:50:51,970 --> 00:50:56,020

So all of my teenagey summers

and stuff were in my twenties,

: 1207

00:50:56,275 --> 00:50:57,875

-: 2026

Yeah, I feel like it's after

: 1208

00:50:57,875 --> 00:50:59,200

you come out that you really

: 1209

00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,400

get to experience your childhood.

: 1210

00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:04,526

-: 2026

like a, a cer a certain amount of.

: 1211

00:51:04,916 --> 00:51:09,326

Courage or something you have to build up

or impatience, whichever one comes first.

: 1212

00:51:09,726 --> 00:51:14,376

Uh, before you can take that leap and

go like, okay, I'm just going to do, I'm

: 1213

00:51:14,376 --> 00:51:18,336

just gonna go places and do things as

myself and, and take things as they come.

: 1214

00:51:18,736 --> 00:51:21,826

I'm finding myself like, ha, struggling

with that again now, because I probably

: 1215

00:51:21,826 --> 00:51:25,736

because of politics, 'cause so much

forethought goes into like how long

: 1216

00:51:25,736 --> 00:51:28,736

before somebody brings up something

political because they do, because

: 1217

00:51:28,736 --> 00:51:32,696

they assume they're, they always assume

they're among people who think like them.

: 1218

00:51:32,786 --> 00:51:33,136

-: 2026

: 1219

00:51:33,506 --> 00:51:35,426

-: 2026

what, if you wanna know what being a

: 1220

00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:40,706

normie is, being a part of normative

or hegemonic culture, it's if you ever

: 1221

00:51:40,706 --> 00:51:44,606

spend, if any part of your day is spent

under the assumption that you are with

: 1222

00:51:44,606 --> 00:51:46,806

people who are like you, that's it.

: 1223

00:51:46,866 --> 00:51:49,716

Because I never spend a

second in my life like that.

: 1224

00:51:49,986 --> 00:51:50,436

-: 2026

: 1225

00:51:55,929 --> 00:51:59,409

that's a hard line to, to follow

when you're teaching because you

: 1226

00:51:59,409 --> 00:52:02,679

assume that your students think

like you, and not all of them do.

: 1227

00:52:02,769 --> 00:52:03,549

For sure.

: 1228

00:52:03,759 --> 00:52:04,269

And not all

: 1229

00:52:04,314 --> 00:52:04,404

-: 2026

: 1230

00:52:04,479 --> 00:52:04,959

-: 2026

: 1231

00:52:04,959 --> 00:52:07,269

They don't tell you that

until they do your evaluation

: 1232

00:52:07,269 --> 00:52:08,319

at the end of the semester.

: 1233

00:52:08,799 --> 00:52:11,739

Like I upfront tell students

that, you know, the, the

: 1234

00:52:11,739 --> 00:52:13,389

material that I teach leans left.

: 1235

00:52:13,389 --> 00:52:15,069

That's just the fabric of the material.

: 1236

00:52:15,279 --> 00:52:18,279

When you start talking about

humanistic things and, and humans,

: 1237

00:52:18,489 --> 00:52:20,889

it becomes, you know, more liberal.

: 1238

00:52:20,889 --> 00:52:21,759

It just does.

: 1239

00:52:22,059 --> 00:52:25,759

And in one of my evaluations this

semester said, I just wish the field of

: 1240

00:52:25,939 --> 00:52:28,729

women's study didn't lean so far left.

: 1241

00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:31,099

And it's like, I, I tell

you that up front, if that's

: 1242

00:52:31,099 --> 00:52:32,659

gonna be a problem, you know,

: 1243

00:52:32,839 --> 00:52:35,554

-: 2026

and what would right-leaning

: 1244

00:52:35,554 --> 00:52:37,294

women's studies look like?

: 1245

00:52:37,864 --> 00:52:40,144

What do they think

they're asking for here?

: 1246

00:52:40,354 --> 00:52:41,584

Like home economics?

: 1247

00:52:41,584 --> 00:52:43,474

Do you like Suzy Homemaker?

: 1248

00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,979

-: 2026

probably pro-life kind of stuff.

: 1249

00:52:46,009 --> 00:52:50,449

And pro-marriage, probably quiver full

things like that kind of ideology.

: 1250

00:52:50,449 --> 00:52:52,039

That's probably what

they're talking about.

: 1251

00:52:52,429 --> 00:52:52,789

And I

: 1252

00:52:52,789 --> 00:52:55,639

tell 'em, that's one thing I tell

'em, if you wanna be a housewife

: 1253

00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,859

and have 17 children, go for it.

: 1254

00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:59,269

Feminism is behind you.

: 1255

00:52:59,269 --> 00:53:01,699

It's the, the fact that you

made the choice to do that,

: 1256

00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:02,539

-: 2026

: 1257

00:53:02,659 --> 00:53:05,779

-: 2026

back before now got to make that choice.

: 1258

00:53:05,779 --> 00:53:08,029

It was just impeded upon them, you know?

: 1259

00:53:08,029 --> 00:53:11,899

And the fact that you have a choice to

do that now, that's because of feminism.

: 1260

00:53:12,299 --> 00:53:13,229

you realize it or not.

: 1261

00:53:13,229 --> 00:53:15,359

Feminism has solved a

lot of your problems.

: 1262

00:53:15,759 --> 00:53:16,269

-: 2026

: 1263

00:53:16,269 --> 00:53:16,809

Feminism.

: 1264

00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:22,359

Feminism wants everyone to have

some say in how they spend their

: 1265

00:53:22,359 --> 00:53:24,339

lives, in what goals they pursue.

: 1266

00:53:24,354 --> 00:53:25,074

-: 2026

: 1267

00:53:25,474 --> 00:53:27,514

-: 2026

ever see that movie Mona Lisa Smile?

: 1268

00:53:27,799 --> 00:53:28,789

-: 2026

A long time ago.

: 1269

00:53:29,189 --> 00:53:30,899

-: 2026

it's, it's not really anything to write

: 1270

00:53:30,899 --> 00:53:38,729

home about, but like the, uh, it's, it's

singular Interesting theme is the, um, the

: 1271

00:53:38,729 --> 00:53:41,369

MRS degree 'cause they're at Wellesley.

: 1272

00:53:41,369 --> 00:53:48,339

I think the setting was this dichotomy

of pretty, um, prestigious academic

: 1273

00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:52,959

environment, pretty rigorous academic

environment and people who were

: 1274

00:53:52,959 --> 00:53:56,469

not there to take it seriously, but

just kind of spending their time

: 1275

00:53:56,469 --> 00:53:59,949

until they, were coercively married.

: 1276

00:53:59,979 --> 00:54:03,189

You know, like it's the, and

that was, that was the norm.

: 1277

00:54:03,189 --> 00:54:08,569

And so like there's, there's that tension

of, um, I think it's Julius Styles and

: 1278

00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,779

Kirsten Duns, who are the two students.

: 1279

00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,089

I could be wrong about

the Julius styles, but

: 1280

00:54:14,104 --> 00:54:14,384

-: 2026

: 1281

00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:14,899

-: 2026

: 1282

00:54:15,299 --> 00:54:16,859

No, Julie Roberts plays the teacher.

: 1283

00:54:16,859 --> 00:54:18,419

So there's two students.

: 1284

00:54:18,869 --> 00:54:23,569

There's two students who kind of wind

up wa living this trajectory of, I go

: 1285

00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:27,699

to academia, under the assumption, like

Kirsten Dunn's character, she's like,

: 1286

00:54:27,789 --> 00:54:29,469

yeah, I'm just here for the MRS degree.

: 1287

00:54:29,529 --> 00:54:30,879

I'm, I'm, you're not.

: 1288

00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:32,109

I'll be in your class.

: 1289

00:54:32,109 --> 00:54:32,799

I'll participate.

: 1290

00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:36,159

But you, uh, and Julie Roberts is

a very like, women's liberal type.

: 1291

00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:37,939

And so they butt heads a lot.

: 1292

00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,309

And her position is, I, I am not

gonna subscribe to your worldview.

: 1293

00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,799

I'm just here to get

my husband and then go.

: 1294

00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,957

And she winds up getting fucked

around with by patriarchy.

: 1295

00:54:48,957 --> 00:54:49,757

Something bad happens to her.

: 1296

00:54:49,857 --> 00:54:55,067

I don't remember what exactly, but she

winds up engaging with critical thought,

: 1297

00:54:55,127 --> 00:55:00,427

with feminist ideas and things, and she

winds up kind of like, uh, altering her

: 1298

00:55:00,427 --> 00:55:04,147

own trajectory based on what she learns

and the experiences that happen to her.

: 1299

00:55:04,507 --> 00:55:07,807

And the other character who we think

is gonna be the one that does that

: 1300

00:55:07,807 --> 00:55:10,117

she winds up doing, going like,

oh no, I met her Really great.

: 1301

00:55:10,507 --> 00:55:12,097

Great guy, I'm gonna go be a homemaker.

: 1302

00:55:12,097 --> 00:55:13,417

Thanks for all the things you taught me.

: 1303

00:55:13,567 --> 00:55:14,857

This is what I intend to do with it.

: 1304

00:55:15,107 --> 00:55:19,157

So yeah, I mean, pretty forgettable

movie, but that was interesting.

: 1305

00:55:19,557 --> 00:55:21,597

I think people were still doing

that when I went to college.

: 1306

00:55:21,767 --> 00:55:23,862

-: 2026

they were when I was there, for sure.

: 1307

00:55:24,262 --> 00:55:25,327

-: 2026

I heard people say like, oh,

: 1308

00:55:25,327 --> 00:55:27,037

she's here for the MRS degree.

: 1309

00:55:27,472 --> 00:55:27,802

-: 2026

: 1310

00:55:28,162 --> 00:55:30,142

Because I went to a fairly

good school, you know,

: 1311

00:55:30,895 --> 00:55:31,015

-: 2026

: 1312

00:55:31,923 --> 00:55:33,693

-: 2026

lot of people that didn't get into their

: 1313

00:55:33,693 --> 00:55:35,793

Ivy Leagues that went to Miami, you know?

: 1314

00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:41,053

And so there was a lot of competition for

things and a lot of wealthy people there.

: 1315

00:55:41,053 --> 00:55:44,683

That is saying the, the mildly, there

were wealthy people there, there were

: 1316

00:55:44,683 --> 00:55:46,063

Bugattis in the parking lot,

: 1317

00:55:46,498 --> 00:55:49,018

-: 2026

There's money in Oxford,

: 1318

00:55:49,018 --> 00:55:49,449

-: 2026

: 1319

00:55:49,649 --> 00:55:51,869

-: 2026

not from Ohio a lot of the time.

: 1320

00:55:52,508 --> 00:55:54,668

-: 2026

my roommate, my freshman roommate,

: 1321

00:55:54,668 --> 00:55:56,288

her family, they were millionaires.

: 1322

00:55:56,688 --> 00:55:57,438

-: 2026

: 1323

00:55:57,468 --> 00:55:58,938

-: 2026

dad stopped on the company jet

: 1324

00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:00,078

for Easter and picked her up.

: 1325

00:56:01,366 --> 00:56:02,326

That's what I said.

: 1326

00:56:02,566 --> 00:56:03,136

Like what?

: 1327

00:56:03,286 --> 00:56:05,176

When I took her home for the

weekend, she's like, I've never

: 1328

00:56:05,176 --> 00:56:06,616

seen a real trailer before.

: 1329

00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,310

I was like, well, do I a treat for you?

: 1330

00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:11,970

-: 2026

: 1331

00:56:11,970 --> 00:56:16,390

I was talking to that nurse about,

all of these, these fucking medical

: 1332

00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:18,070

chickens coming home to roost for me.

: 1333

00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:19,870

I was like, I've always had this stuff.

: 1334

00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:23,470

It's just all decided to, to

raise its head at the same time.

: 1335

00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:23,680

Right.

: 1336

00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,540

It doesn't want to be looked over.

: 1337

00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:29,080

And I was like, look, my, my

parents' generation was the first

: 1338

00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:30,700

generation to not marry their cousin.

: 1339

00:56:31,892 --> 00:56:36,502

I am a genetic mess and who

knows what's going on here.

: 1340

00:56:36,832 --> 00:56:39,232

I mean, I, I went to school with people.

: 1341

00:56:39,232 --> 00:56:40,492

Some of those families had, I.

: 1342

00:56:40,492 --> 00:56:43,282

Bizarre, uh, mutations.

: 1343

00:56:43,282 --> 00:56:47,472

And, and, and I hope I don't, you know,

if y'all are listening, I hope I, I

: 1344

00:56:47,472 --> 00:56:49,212

don't mean to, to make fun of you.

: 1345

00:56:49,212 --> 00:56:54,472

What I'm saying is a genetic bottleneck, a

an extended genetic bottleneck, even if it

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ended a hundred years ago, as is the case,

angelico, those effects stick around.

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00:56:59,252 --> 00:57:03,392

Because, like longstanding inbreeding

loves to create super categories.

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00:57:03,812 --> 00:57:05,162

The, the, the.

: 1349

00:57:05,562 --> 00:57:09,252

Best case scenario for any

population is heterogeneity.

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00:57:09,282 --> 00:57:11,502

It's a variety of traits.

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00:57:11,722 --> 00:57:17,392

A variety of expressions of phenotypes

and genotypes that goes away when

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00:57:17,392 --> 00:57:18,862

you have a genetic bottleneck.

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00:57:18,862 --> 00:57:22,462

And instead you get, you, you take that

punnet square, it's no longer a square,

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00:57:22,492 --> 00:57:26,662

it becomes just the two squares, the

recessive, recessive, dominant, dominant

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00:57:26,662 --> 00:57:29,842

squares, and it stretches everything

else out into the middle to nothing.

: 1356

00:57:30,292 --> 00:57:31,942

So you've got geniuses and morons.

: 1357

00:57:32,342 --> 00:57:37,922

You've got people with bones, you know,

uh, as hard as steel and people with

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00:57:37,922 --> 00:57:39,902

bird bones and nothing in between.

: 1359

00:57:40,152 --> 00:57:43,182

So that's what Gelica was

like for, for the generations,

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right up until mine, basically.

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00:57:45,147 --> 00:57:45,627

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00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:48,359

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it's, you get some weird stuff.

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00:57:48,759 --> 00:57:49,929

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Like the, the two last

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00:57:50,029 --> 00:57:50,149

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00:57:50,229 --> 00:57:51,909

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I use are from my biological

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00:57:51,909 --> 00:57:53,769

father and from my adopted father.

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00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:57,009

And yet when you go up on Big Run and

go to the cemetery, that's all the

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00:57:57,009 --> 00:57:58,839

last names in the cemetery up there.

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00:58:00,376 --> 00:58:04,956

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knew a girl from, from McKee, Kentucky,

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00:58:04,956 --> 00:58:09,506

from Jackson County, who was, she

was extremely tall, I don't know how

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00:58:09,506 --> 00:58:12,356

tall, but, uh, taller than the knee.

: 1372

00:58:12,756 --> 00:58:16,116

And she had a, a double breast

plate, which is just like

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00:58:16,116 --> 00:58:17,616

an incredibly thick sternum.

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00:58:18,013 --> 00:58:18,913

and it kind of stuck.

: 1375

00:58:18,913 --> 00:58:19,963

She looked like a bird.

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00:58:20,353 --> 00:58:21,943

Eyes were really far apart.

: 1377

00:58:22,213 --> 00:58:26,527

She had, uh, webbed feet in IQ of one 70.

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00:58:26,857 --> 00:58:27,077

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00:58:27,247 --> 00:58:32,282

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she's batshit now, like, because I,

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00:58:32,457 --> 00:58:37,857

I don't, I think for one hand on the

one hand extreme intelligence, I and

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00:58:37,857 --> 00:58:41,152

mental health can be a mixed bag.

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00:58:41,552 --> 00:58:45,812

But also she was just so different

to everybody else, right?

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00:58:45,812 --> 00:58:51,082

She had no peer group and like

whatever mental illness she did

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00:58:51,082 --> 00:58:52,582

have, she inherited from her mom.

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00:58:52,582 --> 00:58:55,522

And there was some delusional

thinking in there, some paranoia.

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00:58:55,972 --> 00:59:00,412

And so the, the voices in her head were

more convincing than anybody she knew

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00:59:00,412 --> 00:59:03,082

in real life because she had no peers.

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00:59:03,232 --> 00:59:05,542

That's what happens when

you have super categories.

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00:59:05,752 --> 00:59:07,162

Nobody has any peers.

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00:59:07,162 --> 00:59:09,082

Nobody is like anybody else.

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00:59:09,482 --> 00:59:11,537

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the full spectrum of intelligence when it

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00:59:11,537 --> 00:59:14,357

comes to my cousins, like my sister and I.

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00:59:14,357 --> 00:59:17,027

My sister and I were very lucky

to be very smart, you know?

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00:59:17,277 --> 00:59:19,947

I think my, my sister, when she

dropped outta high school, she

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00:59:19,947 --> 00:59:23,217

ended up taking the GED and got the

highest score in county history.

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00:59:23,637 --> 00:59:25,677

Like she's very smart, right?

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00:59:25,927 --> 00:59:28,477

She did well in college when

she got her two year degree.

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00:59:28,737 --> 00:59:30,807

She's just very book smart and.

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00:59:31,207 --> 00:59:34,207

On the other side of the spectrum,

I've got several cousins that

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00:59:34,207 --> 00:59:36,267

have developmental delays and

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00:59:36,557 --> 00:59:36,847

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00:59:36,897 --> 00:59:38,517

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of average people in between.

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00:59:38,577 --> 00:59:42,657

So I've got one cousin who's really,

really well off from his job.

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00:59:42,657 --> 00:59:46,377

He went to DeVry and has worked with

computers his whole life and he is now,

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00:59:46,377 --> 00:59:50,007

he's been working for financial processor

for a long time and he's one of their

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00:59:50,007 --> 00:59:52,257

big wigs and he's doing really well.

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00:59:52,257 --> 00:59:52,767

So.

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00:59:53,167 --> 00:59:53,457

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00:59:53,857 --> 00:59:59,047

Like that, the, the untapped genius of

places like Appalachia is in part because

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00:59:59,107 --> 01:00:05,797

of strange genetic pools like that

and like the likelihood of occasional

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01:00:05,797 --> 01:00:10,457

geniuses higher anywhere that there

has been a genetic bottleneck, but

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01:00:10,457 --> 01:00:12,927

also nobody's looking at it that way.

: 1413

01:00:13,327 --> 01:00:18,237

If you see somebody who's, got social

anxiety or doesn't understand social

: 1414

01:00:18,237 --> 01:00:21,717

cues because they've never had any

peers because they're also hyper

: 1415

01:00:21,717 --> 01:00:23,247

intelligent or something like that.

: 1416

01:00:23,517 --> 01:00:27,567

Like you notice there, you look at the,

if you're looking at them from a deficit,

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01:00:27,967 --> 01:00:32,327

uh, mindset, you're only seeing their,

the things that they struggle with and

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01:00:32,327 --> 01:00:37,617

not the things that were, they were they,

to be resourced, appreciated, nurtured,

: 1419

01:00:38,017 --> 01:00:40,237

could help that person live a fuller life.

: 1420

01:00:40,637 --> 01:00:43,457

But instead, like what you've got

is just every so often one person

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01:00:43,457 --> 01:00:46,487

will jettison out of the region and

go somewhere else and get access to

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01:00:46,487 --> 01:00:49,547

something and they'll look like the

exception that approves the rule.

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01:00:49,692 --> 01:00:50,042

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01:00:50,442 --> 01:00:52,572

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have said all kinds of weird shit

: 1425

01:00:52,572 --> 01:00:54,012

to me about being from Appalachia.

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01:00:54,412 --> 01:00:54,702

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01:00:57,611 --> 01:00:58,991

-: 2026

gotta clean my house today, man.

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01:00:59,391 --> 01:01:00,591

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: 1429

01:01:00,831 --> 01:01:03,111

Our best friend is coming up

in a couple of weeks, so we've

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01:01:03,111 --> 01:01:04,461

got to get the house in order.

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01:01:04,861 --> 01:01:05,821

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Let's do tomatoes.

: 1432

01:01:06,221 --> 01:01:06,971

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: 1433

01:01:07,467 --> 01:01:08,937

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The Pomodoro method.

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01:01:09,282 --> 01:01:09,672

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: 1435

01:01:10,062 --> 01:01:14,202

We bought a, uh, we have a lot of Amazon

deliveries at our house, and so we get a

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01:01:14,202 --> 01:01:18,672

buildup of, uh, cardboard boxes sometimes,

and so we bought a cart and we're gonna

: 1437

01:01:18,672 --> 01:01:22,282

take the cart and get all these hot

cardboard boxes outta here, so it'll be a

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01:01:22,297 --> 01:01:22,627

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: 1439

01:01:22,627 --> 01:01:25,697

I've been getting been getting a

shit ton of stuff delivered too.

: 1440

01:01:25,787 --> 01:01:27,287

Just basically food.

: 1441

01:01:27,687 --> 01:01:28,557

You need to get that outside.

: 1442

01:01:28,557 --> 01:01:29,427

It's still negative.

: 1443

01:01:29,697 --> 01:01:31,047

Oh no, it's up to negative two.

: 1444

01:01:31,447 --> 01:01:32,882

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it was one degree the last time I

: 1445

01:01:32,882 --> 01:01:34,752

checked here, so I was like, woo hoo.

: 1446

01:01:35,152 --> 01:01:35,392

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: 1447

01:01:35,792 --> 01:01:39,342

We're not going to get above zero, but

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01:01:39,537 --> 01:01:41,157

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in the snow path or are you guys

: 1449

01:01:41,417 --> 01:01:41,707

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: 1450

01:01:41,817 --> 01:01:41,997

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: 1451

01:01:42,397 --> 01:01:43,597

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No, no snow for us.

: 1452

01:01:43,597 --> 01:01:44,017

I don't think.

: 1453

01:01:44,017 --> 01:01:47,717

We had some the first day of the

cold snap and then it, it went on.

: 1454

01:01:48,317 --> 01:01:51,887

So it's actually really sunny

and nice out, but fucking cold.

: 1455

01:01:52,097 --> 01:01:52,487

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: 1456

01:01:52,887 --> 01:01:55,057

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my lips are chapped just from

: 1457

01:01:55,057 --> 01:01:56,527

walking down the street yesterday.

: 1458

01:01:56,677 --> 01:01:57,067

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: 1459

01:01:57,467 --> 01:01:58,847

cold here, that's for sure.

: 1460

01:01:59,247 --> 01:02:01,527

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stay inside and have our milk sandwiches.

: 1461

01:02:01,737 --> 01:02:01,947

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: 1462

01:02:02,347 --> 01:02:06,212

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if, if, uh, if we should do, uh, a

: 1463

01:02:06,212 --> 01:02:10,972

movie about white trash for Black

History Month, you know, there is,

: 1464

01:02:11,032 --> 01:02:12,832

uh, an intersectional storyline

: 1465

01:02:12,832 --> 01:02:17,652

in that, in a movie Matewan

about, um, the, the Coal Wars,

: 1466

01:02:17,852 --> 01:02:19,682

-: 2026

the Battle of Blair Mountain.

: 1467

01:02:20,082 --> 01:02:21,852

But yeah, I don't know if that's the t.

: 1468

01:02:22,252 --> 01:02:27,352

And let us know what your weird hidden

treasure is of wherever you live.

: 1469

01:02:27,752 --> 01:02:28,892

Do you have a hill?

: 1470

01:02:29,072 --> 01:02:29,582

What is it called?

: 1471

01:02:29,582 --> 01:02:30,422

Hillbilly Hog

: 1472

01:02:30,542 --> 01:02:31,327

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Hillbilly hotdog.

: 1473

01:02:31,727 --> 01:02:32,177

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: 1474

01:02:32,597 --> 01:02:33,467

Hillbilly Hogs.

: 1475

01:02:33,867 --> 01:02:34,437

That's something else.

: 1476

01:02:34,837 --> 01:02:36,412

That's the name of this episode.

: 1477

01:02:36,925 --> 01:02:38,535

-: 2026

the business my parents were in.

: 1478

01:02:38,935 --> 01:02:39,225

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: 1479

01:02:40,215 --> 01:02:43,795

Well, let's, uh, show

January out the door.

: 1480

01:02:44,195 --> 01:02:44,615

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: 1481

01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:46,800

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And, you know, I think this is

: 1482

01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,270

our last episode of January.

: 1483

01:02:48,270 --> 01:02:52,360

So, and, uh, the people of Minneapolis

are still at war, so fuck ice.

: 1484

01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,110

Fuck Donald Trump.

: 1485

01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:54,380

Fuck Christine home.

: 1486

01:02:54,625 --> 01:02:54,845

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: 1487

01:02:55,215 --> 01:02:56,365

She's a bird leg hoe.

: 1488

01:02:56,765 --> 01:02:57,515

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: 1489

01:02:57,915 --> 01:02:59,805

and yeah, we'll see y'all next time.

: 1490

01:02:59,805 --> 01:03:00,735

Say how to your mom and Neil.

: 1491

01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:01,320

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