Episode 66

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14th Sep 2026

The Cats of Queernecks 2027 Calendar

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Queernecks hosts Beck and Dash riff on pets, prescription drugs, a listener-submitted cat calendar idea, and new show stickers. Featuring the family desktop and the Greenbriar Ghost, complaining about AI slop in the classroom, and some other stuff we forgot between recording and now.

00:00 Welcome to Queernecks

00:28 Pets and Zoom Confusion

01:50 Cats Train Humans

03:19 Back on Adderall

04:34 Rescuing a New Cat

06:02 Beloved Cats Remembered

08:05 Cats Calendar and Merch

13:42 New Job and Office Drama

19:25 Catching Students Using AI

27:14 Teaching Consent and Sex Ed

30:00 Life Updates and Sports

32:42 Bedtime Cats and Beef Recall

34:44 Tariff Beef News

36:18 Shirt Check Detour

36:37 Reclaiming Problem Merch

41:20 Job Moves And Pay

43:17 Driving Back Roads

45:04 Sponsor Family Desktop

47:17 Old Internet Dating

51:34 Olivia Wilde Auteur Talk

57:33 Greenbrier Ghost Story

01:00:14 Procedurals And Spooky Picks

01:01:09 Wheel App And Earworms

01:03:13 Mailbag And Signoff

#Podcasters #Pets #QueernecksPodcast #BeefRecall #PodcastRecommendation

Transcript
Beck:

Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the

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Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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Dash: and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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I don't know what f- I don't know

why she wants to sit here and talk.

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U- unless she really does think

that I'm talking to her, and

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she's like, "What's wrong?

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I'm right here."

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I'm not talking to you.

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I'm talking to Beck

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Beck: Your imaginary friends again,

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: That's what she, that's

what she's saying to you

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Dash: Yeah.

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Zoom meetings must

really fuck with, like…

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Well, cats in part- I

don't know about dogs.

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I don't know how bright dogs are, but cats

are very much, like, just bright enough

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to put together that something's different

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Beck: Well, when w- 'cause I w- she calls

on her way home from work and I call on

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my home way home from work, and we both

use speakerphone, so they know that when

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we're on the phone speakerphone that

we're coming home, and the dogs, like,

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get excited and start staring at the door.

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So

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Dash: Yehaw

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Mine, they know the sound of my vehicle.

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Oscar does.

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He always has been able

to tell the vehicle of…

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I've b- gone through so many vehicles

since he's, uh, come to live with me.

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And I think they also can tell,

not time, but, you know, cats know,

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they can tell by the light what,

you know, part of the day it is.

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Beck: smell,

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Beck: your smell dissipates

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: of him, that means it's

time for him to come home

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Dash: Yeah.

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But even if I am home, they kinda

know when dinnertime is, and it could

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also just be that they're hungry.

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So they start, like, acting up.

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And it's always right, like, at a

really annoying part of the day.

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Like, I'm try- I'm trying to,

like, log off work or something,

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and they're, like, all over me

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Beck: I've read that if you want to

remember, if you have a pill that you

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need to take or something that you need to

remember every day, give your cat a treat

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every time you do it and they'll never let

you forget that it's time to do the thing

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Dash: Ziggy has put together that if I

have insomnia and I can't sleep, then

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I have to get up and go downstairs.

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' Cause if I can't sleep and I, if I

stay in bed and just try to fall back

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asleep, I just get pissed off, and I

get, like, more and more angry, and I'm

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not gonna fall back asleep that way.

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So if I want to get any more sleep,

I have to get up, go do something.

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Like, it's my whole morning.

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Like, I will make coffee and sit

in the recliner and do something

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until I start to feel sleepy again.

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And so she's put together that if I

do that, she can get treats out of me.

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But then that created an issue because

it's 2:00 AM, I have to turn the light

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on in the dining room, and I never do.

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She's got hair, her hair in my mouth.

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So the only time I turn on that

light in the big, like, bright light

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in the dining room is when it's

2:00 AM and I'm walking through to

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the kitchen 'cause I can't sleep.

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And so now if I flip that

switch at all, and it makes…

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That's one of the loudest

switches in the house.

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It makes a really loud, like, pop.

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It travels through the whole house.

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That's, like, a Pavlov switch.

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They all come running like, "Oh, God.

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We're gonna get treats."

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So now I literally can't use

that light, like, not for…

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The world could be ending and it could

be like, you know, somebody could break

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in and be like, "Turn on the light."

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I'm like, "Are you sure?

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' Cause we're gonna get mobbed."

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They put me back on my Adderall.

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I g- I've got a, a new doctor.

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And I'm, I'm really grateful.

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She's really cool, but I hadn't

been used to it anymore, and m- they

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had, they were, like, increasing my

dose, so it's actually kind of high.

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Are you over there, like, chugging pills

now because I reminded you that you're

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supposed to take your afternoon pills?

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Beck: Yeah.

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My afternoon Adderall

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Dash: I used to and I couldn't

remember the second one.

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I never remembered it.

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So they just, what- whatever they

give, whatever I take in the morning

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for the extended release, that's it.

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But they increased it, and so after

having been off of it for several

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weeks, I started back on it today,

and I was trying to do something, and

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I was like, my heart was pounding.

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It was like I kind of

forgot that this is…

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I mean, it's a hardcore drug.

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you know, if you take it right,

then it just kind of helps like

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it's supposed to, or like it…

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Nothing is supposed to do anything,

but, you know, like it does.

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But if for whatever reason you go

off of it and don't, and you're not

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used to it anymore, and it, like,

to go back on, and I jumped right

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back into the higher dose too, and

so that we didn't, like, titrate up.

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I was like, "Whew, I

am Ready to lift a car.

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Did you hear

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Beck: I'm so excited we're

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Dash: her?

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Beck: a cat

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Dash: Okay, you wanna tell

the listeners what happened?

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Beck: The whole thing started

where, you know how most towns

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have, like, a Facebook page where

people post, "Lost dog," "I have

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Beck: for sale," or whatever.

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Somebody found a big, fat, uh,

cat that was declawed outside,

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and they took it to the vet.

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They checked the, the, uh, chip, and they

called the owners, and it's been like five

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days now, and there's been no return call.

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So in the meantime, Shana has been looking

at other cats, and she's come upon one.

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This lady, it was a out- She thinks

it was before it was an indoor cat,

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it was a little, tiny outdoor cat

that keeps wanting to come inside.

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So she took it inside last night,

and sh- she's gonna pay for the

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Vetville to get him, uh, fixed.

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It's a boy.

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And so then we're gonna take him

and, and do the rest of it, so.

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get him Monday

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Dash: Well, you've already…

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in the time since we talked

about it, a lot has happened

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Beck: Yeah.

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' Dash: Cause you hadn't found one yet

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Beck: Yeah, no, she found one.

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She's found like three, but I felt like

she had made a commitment to this lady, so

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Dash: I- is it, did she,

did she get a tabby one?

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Beck: Yeah, it's a, it's a gray and

black and white striped kinda calico

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looking kinda without the brown

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Dash: Mail?

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Beck: Yes

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Dash: Huh.

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Well, be sure to show us.

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Uh, we can't wait for pictures.

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It's…

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If it's a calico and a male, that's

a very rare genetic incidence

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Beck: it without the brown.

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Dash: Sabrina had…

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Well, yeah, exactly, like

that cat Sabrina had.

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Link Link actually came from Vanessa.

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Link was Vanessa's cat first.

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I, I think she was Vanessa's first,

you know, like you move out and you

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get, like, your first pet as an adult,

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: Yeah.

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That was Link for Vanessa, but then

yeah, Link was just a weird cat.

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She, she was very peculiar,

had very strong personality.

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She had a lot of needs, social needs.

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Like she, she couldn't tolerate

a, a household or an environment

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that was chaotic in any way.

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Like she needed stability, and Vanessa had

roommates, who, like, were popular kids.

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And so they would have, like,

house parties and stuff.

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And as Link got older, and then Vanessa

met Dave, and, you know, he moved in,

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and then life started to happen, right?

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Then it was like they had a dog.

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They inherited a cat from one of Dave's

I think elder relatives who passed.

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And Link was just like, she

would not come out from under…

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She wouldn't come out of the basement.

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She hated her life.

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And then they started having kids.

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And so Sabrina had that one

cat, Joe, and she was, I think,

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interested in a second cat.

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And so we just kinda arranged

for Link to go and live with

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Sabrina, and she was fine there.

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Lived, I think she was

16 or 17 when she died

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Beck: Oh.

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I know Sabrina was very attached to her

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Dash: Yeah.

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Yeah, she, I mean,

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Link

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really leveled up

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Beck: Yeah.

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My Trance was a good boy too.

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He died during my undergrad.

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I got him in my first apartment

with my first girlfriend.

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He was only eight or nine when

he passed, but he was a big boy.

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He was like twice the size of the dogs

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Dash: I, I think, uh, I think

obesity in cats can be a determinant

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of, you know, their longevity,

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just because of the way

their little kidneys are

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Beck: I think he was also part,

like, a Norwegian Forest cat.

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It had to be in his genes 'cause

he had the big tail and the

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big face, and he was gorgeous.

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He was absolutely gorgeous.

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He wasn't as big as they get,

but he was pretty darn near.

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I have a picture of him and Koda,

my little poodle laying next to each

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other in a chair, and he's like three

times the size of Koda curled up

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We should do a Cats of Queernecks

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Dash: Oh, that would be so cool.

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Yeah, we could do a 2027 calendar

for, like, the end of the year

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Beck: Yeah.

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All

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Dash: Care

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Beck: send us some pictures of your cats

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Dash: Or pets,

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It depends on how many we get.

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Beck: I Yeah, I could fill

the calendar myself with pets,

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Dash: We'll do-

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Beck: we're opening it up to pets that

have, that are, uh, of years beyond

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Dash: Yeah, we- let's, like,

limit it to cats this time.

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But you know what?

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If we get a bunch of emails

that are like, "How dare you?"

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Uh, we'll, we'll do something

different next year.

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The…

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That's funny that you say that

because I have Canva again.

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and so I'm back to, I'm back on my

bullshit of designing dumb Queerneck

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stuff with company resources.

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But there's calendar templates in there.

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So yeah, we could do that pretty easy

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I changed, I don't know if you saw, I

changed the artwork for the, the show.

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I swapped it out for that

sticker design I made.

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Beck: Oh.

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Dash: Here, I'll show

you if you didn't see it

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Beck: some of those stickers, so

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Dash: Okay.

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Beck: and I'll

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Dash: Well, now that I have…

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That was just the other day.

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I have, I f- was able

to finish the design.

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We can, we can order, we

could do another, uh…

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There's s- several different

options we could make, but

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yeah, that'd be fun I love…

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Here, I've got mine on my, my

Queer, Queernecks notebook here.

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I've got one of the sparkly ones.

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The…

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Beck: jealous.

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I'm so

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Dash: Yeah, I have some more.

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I, I emailed you, or I emailed.

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I mailed you half of the demo ones

I got, so I still have a quarter

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of them that we could try again.

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I just don't wanna send

them off into nowhere again

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Beck: yeah, you're not the first

person to say that stuff has not

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made it to me through the mail.

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Dash: I think the mail is getting,

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it's getting real erratic

in general in the US.

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Beck: Yeah.

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don't We live in a big complex and

it's just like a bay of, of mailboxes,

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Dash: that doesn't help

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Beck: people's mail before, and

I'm assuming the same thing has

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happened to somebody else, and

maybe they've opened it up and

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thought they were cool or something.

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You know what I mean?

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Dash: Did you see that thing I

posted about my fucking paycheck?

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Beck: Y- ye- yeah, that you

can't get it c- c- cashed?

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Dash: Yeah.

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I, so all of this, like, onboarding thing

is weird because I work for the state now.

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It's a state system, and so

they have to do this, like,

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arduous credentialing process.

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They're still not done credentialing.

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I still don't know how much money I make.

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Right now I'm getting, like, the

base rate, and then they're gonna

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back pay me whenever they decide

how much I'm actually worth when…

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I guess one person does credentialing

at this, this, there's two campuses

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that are part of my system, and

so we're a month into the semester

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and she's still not done with it.

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But you can't get into the e-services

portal, which is the state employee

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portal, until you have an employee ID,

which isn't until after your official

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start date, but I started before my start

date because the official start date was

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the start of the semester for faculty.

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So I was getting paid before I had

an employee ID, so I couldn't log in

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and set up my direct deposit, which

is the only reason this happened.

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So if, as soon as I can get

my direct deposit, hopefully

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this won't happen again.

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But apparently this is what they

do if you don't agree to direct

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deposit, is they send you an IOU

that you can't mobile deposit.

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You can't…

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No bank, uh, like, no bank's

mobile deposit will accept this

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thing because it's not a check.

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It's literally, it's called a warrant,

and I had to Google it, and it's

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such a thing that the state, the

website has an FAQ page about this.

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It was like, "Yeah, so your bank

has the right to not honor this

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because it's not actually a check.

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It's, Uh, I keep saying IOU like

it's a joke, but it really is.

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A warrant is, is an IOU from a

federal or state government office.

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A f- it's just from one

specific budget line.

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So because it's not a check, it doesn't

have an ID number on it, and so the

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bank is like, "I'm not cashing that.

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What are you talking about?"

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So I was like, "What do I do?"

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And the FAQ says, you

know, if your bank won't…

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A bank could do it if they, they have

to go into this government database

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and look up a specific number that

corresponds to the government entity.

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To do that, you have to go in,

a, a teller can't even do that.

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You have to talk to, you have

to go into one of the offices

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with the, the clear walls.

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And my bank, I have an East Coast

bank, so there's not a physical

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location anywhere in Minnesota.

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So I was like, "All right,

what does that leave?"

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And it leaves going in person to St.

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Paul and handing the department

that wrote the thing, it, handing it

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back to them and saying, "Can I have

some cash for this instead, please?"

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So That's about a 50% c- check cashing

fee because the amount of money, like

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the amount of gas it would take to get

there and do that, 'cause that, so even

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if I didn't have to navigate the city

and, and parking and the time it would

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take, that's a seven-hour round trip.

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by like the state really does act like

it's the one that makes the case that

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it's not a state, it's just the Twin

Cities and fucking corn, you know?

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Like,

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Beck: Right?

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Dash: don't wanna see it that way,

but that's how it sees itself.

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It's like if you live somewhere else

than the Twin Cities, then fuck you

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Beck: Right?

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Dash: Like, no wonder they're like this.

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There's a meme that's something…

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It was in respo- it was, like, the,

the bootlickers who live in the rural

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part of the state in response to the

protests against ICE in the cities.

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There was a meme that

was like, "Minnesota, not

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Minneapolis," or something.

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And so they're like, "We, you know,

we're bootlickers out here because we've

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never actually faced any adversity."

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It's like that dumbass I work with

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Beck: How's that going?

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Dash: Well, I haven't, I

haven't seen her since.

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I think I also didn't tell that story.

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But so my new job is great,

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Like, 94% of my co-work- uh, everybody

I have met except for this one

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person is excellent, cares a lot, is

welcoming, supportive, is generous.

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They've all offered resources and

support to help me adjust to this

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thing I've never done before.

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Like, I was basically hired

because I have a big brain, not

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because I know how to do this yet.

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I've never taught asynchronous before.

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And, and this woman even was

like that, too, until she

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realized that I wasn't like her.

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' Cause I think she saw me, and I th-

well, I, I'm pretty sure I'm right

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about this, that she assumed that,

like, my redneck exterior contained

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a fellow bootlicker, that, that I

was a secretly trapped Trumper who

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couldn't, you know, come out in the,

the commie higher ed space or whatever.

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And so I, I just broke her heart, I think.

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And so she was rude as hell

to me on my very first day.

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She called me a liar when I said…

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I was…

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We were talking…

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We weren't even talking politics,

but we were talking about um,

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first-generation college students and

how, you know, we're a community college.

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So, you know, what, j- we were

talking about our students, right?

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Which should be neutral territory.

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This should be something

everybody can agree on.

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I was talking about how this idea of

the college search is not something that

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first-generation college students do.

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You, you don't…

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Maybe it's different now, but,

our generation, you went to

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college if college came to you.

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Like, it, the EKU recruiters came

to my high school and explained very

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clearly the way the scholarships

worked, and I would never have gone

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and gotten that information myself.

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And I would never have thought

to because my assumption was

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that college was out of reach.

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And I got to the part about how

the military recruiters prey on

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rural, isolated areas where they

know that students maybe have fewer

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options cause there's not maybe

an economy or something there.

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And she, she stopped me, and she goes,

"Well, I think if that were true, JD Vance

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would have written it in Hillbilly Elegy."

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And I said…

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Well, at first I didn't say

anything, 'cause I was like, I

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was really stunned, you know?

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Like, I've heard a lot of shit.

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Beck: Camera?

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Dash: I've heard, I've heard s- what

I thought was the dumbest of the dumb

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and the, and the meanest and whatever.

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But there was, there was, this was such

a combination of condescending and mean

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and rude and stupid And I was, so I was

like, " I, I don't know what to say.

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I don't have a middle class

response to this, first of all."

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You know?

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Beck: Right

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Dash: are fighting words that you just

said, so what I'm supposed to do is call

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my sister to drag you by your bleached

ponytail out into the parking lot.

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Like, that is my right now by law.

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By the trailer park law, I'm now

entitled to do that because you called

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me a liar And so I started, I was

like, "Do these people not know that?

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Do they not know that you're not

supposed to just call somebody a liar?"

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But yeah, she's, she's the one

weirdo, and I haven't seen her since.

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And I didn't know how to respond,

like this is my first time

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having protected speech at work.

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In 16 years of working in higher

education, I've never had protected speech

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before, 'cause I've always been staff.

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Even when I was adjuncting,

I was also staff.

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So I didn't know that I could have

simply said, like, "The next time you

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say some shit like that to me will be

the last unmoderated thing you say."

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Beck: Right

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Dash: which is what I'll say next time

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But I left though, 'cause I want-

just wanted to get away from her.

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She wouldn't stop pushing me about

it, 'cause I was like, "I didn't read

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Hillbilly Elegy, and I'm not going to."

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And she, like, made me take her copy

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Beck: Oh, wow

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Dash: still sitting in my office.

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And

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Beck: burn it

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Dash: well, you know, I did crack it open.

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I read the first couple pages, and

it, it, it was what I expected, right?

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Just coming in, it's not a fucking memoir.

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Even if it had been true, it's

not written like a memoir.

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It's written like a diatribe.

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It's a harangue.

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It's a polemic

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Beck: He goes on for like 10 pages about

welfare at one point in the middle of it.

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Like I, I wasn't even in grad school.

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I hadn't even done, redone my undergrad at

that point when I read it, and even then

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I knew it was fucking bullshit, you know?

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Like that's before I had any education

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Dash: Yeah, because, because we know

what it's- what the truth sounds like.

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even if someb- so maybe let me rephrase.

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We, we can tell…

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It's easier to tell when somebody

is telling their version of the

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truth than when they're trying to

convince you of something, when

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they're trying to manipulate you.

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He didn't utter a word of truth

in the, the pages I read anyway.

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But the other disturbing thing that

I couldn't stop getting tripped

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up on was her marginalia, like

the notes that she was taking.

413

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It was clear that she was, like, eating it

up, and she was arranging it in categories

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so that she could use it as justification.

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She was using it as evidence for whatever.

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"This is how these people are."

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So I was like, "Ugh,

no, I'm not doing this."

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But there's a woman on the other

side of me in my office who heard it

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happen, and so I- she asked me, she

was like, "Were you just talking to,

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And I was like, "Yeah, I, I just

said g- good morning to her,

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and somehow we wound up there."

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And she was like, "Okay.

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J- you don't have to do that.

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You don't have to talk to her.

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You know, you don't have to

give her that amount of time.

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Like, she's doing that on purpose.

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She does that to everybody.

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She wants to start fights."

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So…

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But apparently that woman told the

dean about it, and the dean came

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to talk to me, and she was like,

"Do you want me to intervene?"

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And I was like, "No.

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What do you mean?

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What would that even look like?"

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Beck: Right?

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Dash: Even with her though, it's,

it's just such a different environment

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Boy, students have not changed

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Beck: Nope except now they

use ChatGPT for everything

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Dash: Yeah, there's quite a bit of that.

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Beck: g- with grading and writing?

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Dash: So I have, I'm, I'm mixed modal,

so I've got in-person English 101,

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I've got fully asynchronous 101, and

then I've got 102, which is, you know,

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the, uh, research-specific, course.

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The, the in-person kids, for surprising-

like, they, they have not given

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me very much, if, if any ChatGPT.

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It's, was really surprising.

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I think I have a suspicion

that it's because it's not

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a victimless crime anymore.

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They can see my face, right?

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We ha- we have to see each other.

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I can speak to them.

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They can't really get away from me.

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You know?

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They can't just ignore

an email or whatever.

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Uh, but the online ones,

they, I have read…

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So, you know how ChatGPT, like, it can't

interpret, uh, literature or anything.

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And

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Beck: Right

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Dash: them, I've got them reading Me Talk

Pretty One Day, and, and of course I did,

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I asked, I don't think it was ChatGPT.

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You know how there's AI

stuffed into everything?

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I think it was Claude.

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It's o- it's o- the one

that's in Microsoft.

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I s- I said, I gave it my prompt,

and I said, "Yeah, write me a

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response essay on this chapter."

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And what it gave me, I was like, "Holy

shit, I'm gonna be able to s- pick this

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out a mile away," because it's wrong.

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It, it is absolutely wrong.

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Even the plot summary's incorrect.

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Which, that's crazy.

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You're telling me it can't

summarize a plot from…

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' Cause that book's gotta be online places.

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So what it tries to do is glean

from Reddit mostly and Goodreads and

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stuff, I think, what the book might

be about, and it hallucinates this

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:

crazy thing about how Sedaris is

using humor to overcome a disability.

476

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It doesn't mention his

homosexuality at all.

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And so I was…

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I got like paper after paper about how

Sedaris is using humor to, make himself

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feel better And so many of them are

like just, I don't know, just completely

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wrong about what the book is about.

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It's really weird.

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And s- and it's…

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I have to be careful because it's possible

the person could be that wrong too

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Beck: Right.

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I, you say that you, you

don't think they're using it.

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I gave a final last semester that was

closed note but on the computer, and

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they were opening ChatGPT and putting

the questions in there during the exam,

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Dash: Yehaw

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Beck: because I can see every time

they left the quiz or the, they call

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them quizzes, not exams in, on online.

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Every time they left the, the test

it showed me that they left the room.

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So caught them and failed them

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Dash: Yehaw

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Beck: you, you can't,

you can't trust them.

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Dash: Oh no

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Beck: in the face while clicking on it

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Dash: I know.

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:

It's kinda wild.

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The, the ones that I do, I'll put in

the feedback, like, "Okay, so this is,

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uh, this is AI generated, but even if

it wasn't, here's why this paper fails."

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Because I'm not fighting

with them about…

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Like, because luckily, ChatGPT is stupid.

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:

Generative AI

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is stupid.

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It can't write the assignments

I'm setting these students.

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And I, I think they didn't

believe me when I told them that

507

:

Beck: When I was teaching English down,

uh, at home one of the assignments was

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to take a favorite song and interpret the

song lyrics and write a paper about it.

509

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I showed them, I took one of my favorite

songs, which is Lie in Our Graves by

510

:

Dave Matthews, and it was wildly off.

511

:

It just made up lyrics whole cloth like,

that aren't even in there, and that's

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a widely available song, you know?

513

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And I showed them how it totally just made

stuff up, and they were pretty by that,

514

:

you know, how bad and how wrong it was.

515

:

So I, I hope I at least got

through to those 20 students

516

:

Dash: Yeah, that's- I'm gonna have to

probably spend this weekend doing that

517

:

now that I know that they're doing it.

518

:

some of them would, would reply,

like, "I didn't, I didn't use any AI."

519

:

One of them tried to call me ableist,

which I kind of … I s- they didn't know

520

:

the word ableist, though, which was funny.

521

:

But they, they sent an … So

this one was egregious.

522

:

It wasn't just a copy and paste

certain elements from ChatGPT, which

523

:

a lot of them will do because it

doesn't feel like cheating to them

524

:

it was just a full-on four-page

essay written by some sort of AI.

525

:

Usually ChatGPT can't produce

that much text unless they

526

:

What they could've done was,

like, ask follow-up questions.

527

:

So, like, now talk about the major

themes, 'cause there was a lot of

528

:

repetition as well, and that's the only

thing ChatGPT can do is, is try to, it

529

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can try to summarize the plot and it

can try to identify the major themes.

530

:

It's not gonna give you quotes.

531

:

It's not gonna be able to accurately

… It's not gonna be able to make a claim.

532

:

So, like, the one thing I need you

to do is make an interpretive claim.

533

:

That's a thesis, right?

534

:

And Chap- it's, like, literally

incapable of doing that.

535

:

But so I, it was 100%, she didn't,

there was nothing human in it.

536

:

And so I failed her, and I was

like, you know, it's kind of a dead

537

:

giveaway that there's not a single

spelling or grammar or citation error.

538

:

This is flawless MLA

citation format, in-text,

539

:

Beck: Right

540

:

Dash: cited, yet it's

not formatted correctly.

541

:

It's formatted like it was

copy and pasted from ChatGPT.

542

:

What happened there?

543

:

You're, you're j- you know everything

about citation, but not formatting?

544

:

That's interesting.

545

:

And so she emailed me and she was

like, "I didn't use any- I used

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:

Speechify to read it back to me

so that I could check for errors."

547

:

And I was like, "That is the

dumbest thing I've ever heard."

548

:

Beck: The online university that I work

for, they allow use of AI, except they

549

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have to cite it, including a link to the

conversation in their, in their citations.

550

:

Which is great if it works, but like

Copilot, if they use Copilot, it won't

551

:

let you see the individual conversations.

552

:

It says they're restricted.

553

:

But if you use ChatGPT, it

will show you the conversation.

554

:

So on what technology you're using,

it really changes how much control you

555

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have over seeing what they're doing.

556

:

Dash: I just, I don't see

how that is a solution.

557

:

Like, if, if you paid somebody to write

an essay for you That's not, like you're

558

:

not, you're not getting off the hook

just because you showed me the receipt

559

:

Beck: Right

560

:

Dash: But I also understand that

institutions are really struggling

561

:

to grapple with this issue

562

:

Beck: Yehaw.

563

:

' Cause

564

:

prove it

565

:

Dash: it's tough,

566

:

Beck: it's like one of those things

when you see it, you know it, you know?

567

:

Dash: Oh yeah

568

:

Beck: AI is for the most

part very easy to pick out.

569

:

You know, sometimes I think it flies under

the radar, especially when they paraphrase

570

:

and do some, some edits and changes to it.

571

:

But the, it's bolded in the middle

or set up with a li- Uh, there's

572

:

the list of three in all of them.

573

:

There's a list of three things in every

ChatGPT response ever known to man.

574

:

And there's some words that they use

like heartfelt and, and, and, and like,

575

:

and what's another word that they use?

576

:

Uh, heart- robust is another

577

:

they use a lot.

578

:

Dash: quietly.

579

:

Yeah.

580

:

Beck: yeah

581

:

Dash: Original.

582

:

Yeah, I don't know.

583

:

It, it sounds good to somebody who

doesn't know anything about writing,

584

:

and that's the issue, you know?

585

:

It

586

:

If, if you don't know enough about writing

to tell the difference between good and

587

:

bad writing, it seems like I'm up in

your shit over something stupid, right?

588

:

'Cause you're like, "What?

589

:

I was able to do the assignment.

590

:

Obviously this is correct."

591

:

And they're coming from an environment,

most of them, from high school, where

592

:

just turning something in is enough.

593

:

Like, that's all you have to do

594

:

Beck: Right

595

:

week who f- for the first time

in class had talked about Anita

596

:

Hill and Clarence Thomas before.

597

:

She said it was, like, her fourth time

learning about it, and I was like, "Wow."

598

:

Dash: There at BGSU?

599

:

Beck: no as a, in high school."

600

:

Most

601

:

ever heard of this before."

602

:

Dash: Yehaw

603

:

Beck: was, I was really impressed by that.

604

:

She said that she went to a,

a really progressive school

605

:

district outside of Cleveland.

606

:

I was like, "I guess so,

607

:

Dash: Yeah, sounds like it

608

:

Beck: Yeah.

609

:

'Cause that's one of my questions after

we learn all about that, why do you

610

:

think that's not taught in high school?

611

:

You know, if, if, if voters start

at 18, shouldn't they come out at

612

:

18 understanding politics a little

and some of the history behind

613

:

the politics and things like that?

614

:

And I would think, you know, the, the

Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas or the Brett

615

:

Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford, I

think those would be things that you would

616

:

wanna teach about sexual harassment, about

gender issues, about all of those things.

617

:

Dash: Yehaw

618

:

Beck: think…

619

:

And a lot of the times their answer

is because people don't want,

620

:

you know, underage kids talking

about sexually based things.

621

:

And to which I say, that's

a huge problem, right?

622

:

Because we should be talking to

kids about sex ed and, and bodily

623

:

autonomy as young as five, you know?

624

:

I'm not s- when I s- when I say

sex ed for five years old, I'm

625

:

not talking, "Hey, five-year-old,

here's a penis and here's a vagina.

626

:

You put them together

and have a baby," right?

627

:

I'm saying you tell them that it's okay

if they don't wanna kiss Uncle Bob.

628

:

They're allowed to say no.

629

:

Dash: Yehaw

630

:

Beck: suit parts, and that they're only

for them, and if anybody else touches

631

:

them, they should tell Mommy, and these

are the right words for these parts.

632

:

So if I say s- if I'm five years

old and I say, "Grandpa touched my

633

:

cookie," I would have some context

for that i- if she actually said,

634

:

"Grandpa touched my vagina," right?

635

:

It, giving kids that knowledge is power.

636

:

Uh, there's so many kids that

are abused, that if you give them

637

:

the language and tell them what's

right and wrong and you give them

638

:

examples of, of proper relationships,

then that's much better for them.

639

:

So where I stand on that.

640

:

Dash: Yeah.

641

:

Well, people also love to, like, wring

their hands and clutch their pearls about

642

:

interpersonal relationships in gen- all

interpersonal relationships except for the

643

:

ones that we're all forced to think about

all the time, which are the straight ones.

644

:

For like, you know, people love to go

like, "Oh, every October I- you're gonna

645

:

force me to think about the fact that

dudes fuck each other up the butt."

646

:

And it's like, "What?

647

:

Nope.

648

:

Nobody's forcing you to think that."

649

:

Beck: That's only if you only think of

gay people as in a sexual manner, and

650

:

Dash: That's right

651

:

Beck: to, to homose- to homosexuality

than there is just having sex.

652

:

Like, like any other

relationship, you know?

653

:

Dash: Yeah, there's, uh, like the

straight people at work who's like

654

:

their whole personality is their kids.

655

:

Great job, you fucked three times

656

:

Beck: Right?

657

:

Dash: Why do we have to talk about it?

658

:

That's something that really blows my

mind, that people will sit around and

659

:

talk to strangers about their kids

660

:

Beck: Yeah.

661

:

Well, I show people pictures

of my dogs, so I'm no better

662

:

Dash: Well, good.

663

:

You know?

664

:

Give them a taste of their own medicine.

665

:

Beck: Right

666

:

Dash: Here's a splinter

I had removed a year ago.

667

:

Isn't it great?

668

:

Like, this, this means as much

to you as your kid means to me.

669

:

And we're equally grossed out also.

670

:

Oh, I guess we should say, like, we didn't

watch Best Little Whorehouse in Texas

671

:

Beck: Oh yeah, that

didn't happen this week.

672

:

I, it was just a crazy week.

673

:

Like, it went by so fast for me

674

:

Dash: Yeah.

675

:

Well, it was a short week 'cause we had

the holiday in there, and I think that

676

:

um, during the school year anyway, for

me, this year is just, just getting used

677

:

to all this stuff, the grading and the

email and learning how to use this LMS

678

:

You know, obviously we're g- you

know, we're still gonna record

679

:

unless we decide we're gonna do

something, you know, kind of special,

680

:

not a ton of prep goes into this

681

:

Beck: What do you mean?

682

:

I spend hours working on my weekly down.

683

:

Dash: Well, I, I spent,

684

:

Beck: don't

685

:

Dash: I spent hours on this sponsor

today because I was so brain dead.

686

:

I kept, like, coming up with ideas,

getting halfway through them, and

687

:

being like, "No, that's stupid."

688

:

Okay.

689

:

Yeah, Zeke

690

:

It's like

691

:

Beck: Meow.

692

:

Kitty, kitty, about getting a kitty.

693

:

Its name currently is Ricky,

and we can't have that 'cause

694

:

that was my first boyfriend,

695

:

Dash: Oh

696

:

Beck: can't have a Ricky running around.

697

:

My dad called him Hickey

698

:

Dash: How old is it?

699

:

Beck: Uh, we don't know,

but still a, a kitten-ish

700

:

Dash: Oh.

701

:

Uh, yeah, you can change the name

702

:

Beck: So we'll find something.

703

:

Uh, we always let them

tell us what their name is,

704

:

Dash: Yehaw Yep

705

:

Beck: was named after an Ewok.

706

:

She was, uh, Wicket's sister

707

:

Dash: Wha- ha- wait, why do

you know so much about Ewoks?

708

:

Beck: Because that's what

it, Wenda looked like.

709

:

I mean, one of my friends, 'cause I

have lots of nerd friends, n- well,

710

:

one of my nerd friends was like,

"She looks like blah, blah, blah."

711

:

And I was like, "Okay."

712

:

Ted,

713

:

Dash: Oh, you researched it?

714

:

Is it, uh, fall weather there yet?

715

:

Beck: It's, it's still in the,

uh, the 80 range around here.

716

:

It's not too cold yet.

717

:

Dash: It's currently 65 degrees.

718

:

It started out around

50 to turn my fan off

719

:

Beck: I'm sitting here covered up in

a blanket It's currently 77 degrees

720

:

here The high of 79, a low of 65

721

:

Dash: Yeah, we really did have like

722

:

a three-week long summer here

723

:

How's the All-American…

724

:

It's not that called that anymore, is it?

725

:

It's the, the women's

professional baseball.

726

:

Y- yeah

727

:

Beck: it's, they're in

the playoffs right now.

728

:

I've been watching that, uh, just

about every night, trying to not

729

:

drive Shana crazy with it, but you

know, watching as much as I can.

730

:

Dash: Is your team winning?

731

:

Beck: they are, they're the

number one team right now,

732

:

Dash: Is it the queens?

733

:

Beck: No, it's the Fire Bells

734

:

Dash: Okay.

735

:

All right.

736

:

Beck: They've been my fa- favorite

because it's the only city I've

737

:

been to, which is San Francisco.

738

:

I've never been to LA,

Boston, or, or New York City.

739

:

I've been to New York State,

but never New York City

740

:

Dash: Oh, they have a cool little logo

741

:

Beck: Yeah.

742

:

But their merch sells out

so fast you can't get it I

743

:

would for sure have a T-shirt.

744

:

Aw, pet that kitty

745

:

Dash: She's r- she's getting attention.

746

:

Well, maybe she's not

getting enough attention

747

:

Beck: Look at that poor baby.

748

:

She's just throwing herself at you

749

:

Dash: She is, yeah.

750

:

Each of them has, like, their

environment where they feel like

751

:

they're in charge, and the, the

bedroom area is definitely hers.

752

:

She loves bedtime

753

:

Beck: Yeah.

754

:

That's how Rue is.

755

:

She's like um, Shana usually goes to bed

first because she has to get up so early.

756

:

And when I push my table out, like to get

up to go to the bathroom or something,

757

:

Rue, like jumps down and runs towards

the bedroom like, "Yes, let's go."

758

:

She is ready for bed at any given hour

759

:

Dash: Yeah, The, well, so the, I, I've

got four of them, and the three of them,

760

:

Oscar, Felix, and Ziggy, they're a trio.

761

:

Like, Ziggy's obsessed with Oscar.

762

:

Felix is obsessed with Oscar.

763

:

They're all together, and they're

typically always on the bed, and I think

764

:

they're just waiting on me to go to bed.

765

:

Uh, in the evening after their

dinner, Oscar will sit in my

766

:

lap if I'm in front of the TV or

something, but lately I haven't been.

767

:

Brisket's always downstairs by

himself He doesn't wanna sleep

768

:

with him, and they would let him

769

:

Beck: How do you feel about this big

beef shipment that came through that

770

:

was denied by China or whatever?

771

:

Do you know about that

772

:

Dash: No, what are you talking about?

773

:

Beck: There was a huge shipment

of beef, like millions of pounds.

774

:

It was denied by Ch- it's

either China or Argentina, one

775

:

Dash: Argentina

776

:

Beck: going to China or China

going to Argen- one or the other.

777

:

But they accepted it here, and

it's being bought by companies like

778

:

McDonald's and Burger King and yeah, and

Kroger and Walmart are all buying it.

779

:

So we have decided we're not gonna

buy meat from any of those places.

780

:

We're gonna go to the butcher for a while

781

:

Dash: August 7th, the US Department

of Agriculture Announced that

782

:

Corte Argentino's USA LLC is

recalling a bunch of pounds of beef.

783

:

Okay, so I don't think that's

what you're talking about

784

:

Beck: No, this has just

been very recently.

785

:

It's in the news Right now

786

:

Dash: Okay.

787

:

I'm just…

788

:

What if I just put beef?

789

:

News.

790

:

Beef news

791

:

Trump's beef import

792

:

Beck: There you go.

793

:

Dash: It's a 90-day suspension on tariffs.

794

:

Why is there so much fuckery?

795

:

Beck: Let me see if I can

find one of the articles.

796

:

I've read a c- a couple of them

today Which is probably showing me

797

:

more 'cause I'm interested in it

798

:

Dash: Mystery meat

799

:

Beck: That sounds right.

800

:

That was the, yeah, the

801

:

Dash: Ah.

802

:

Beck: if it was horse or

803

:

Dash: Okay

804

:

Beck: Why you shouldn't

get your news secondhand

805

:

Dash: Apply a plan to bolster dwindling

US beef supply by waiving tariffs.

806

:

Stop trying to get me to subscribe.

807

:

Meat is coming from Argentina,

it's coming from Brazil, as well

808

:

as a couple of other places.

809

:

Trump promised the meat is very clean.

810

:

After American ranchers and lawmakers

expressed concern The beef would flood

811

:

inspection stations and introduce

lower quality beef into the food supply

812

:

Oh, so he announced this after

having a closed-door Oval Office

813

:

meeting with Brazilian billionaire

Somebody Batista, who co-owns the

814

:

world's largest meatpacking company

815

:

Beck: Oh, surprise, surprise

816

:

Dash: Trump is literally

shitting himself to death.

817

:

He is on death's doorstep, and he

still can only think about scheming

818

:

Beck: Yeah

819

:

Dash: Oh, okay, here it is.

820

:

Brazilian beef exporters who

usually are subjected to a 26.4%

821

:

tariff recently found themselves with

a large backstock of beef after the

822

:

EU announced it would no longer accept

imports from the country because

823

:

it wasn't meeting safety standards.

824

:

Okay

825

:

So now, so that's what we're buying.

826

:

Okay, great.

827

:

Yeah

828

:

Beck: your shirt say m-

does your shirt say mangina?

829

:

Dash: I don't know what it

says honestly, but king…

830

:

K-

831

:

Beck: Kingin.

832

:

Dash: what does it say?

833

:

Beck: Kingin.

834

:

K-I-N-G-I-N.

835

:

Dash: Kinging all day.

836

:

Beck: I couldn't see the…

837

:

Dash: Oh, I…

838

:

Beck: That would, you

839

:

Dash: S-

840

:

Beck: it.

841

:

Dash: So that, that reminds me of

this thought I had for, like, a

842

:

dumb thing for us to do that doesn't

require a bunch of brain power.

843

:

But, uh, I was talking to Vanessa

about the Harry Potter thing, right?

844

:

And I sent her…

845

:

There's a, a YouTuber that does,

like, pop culture analysis videos

846

:

that are kind of- that are funny.

847

:

Their name is Queen Coke Francis.

848

:

So they get in drag, and they make

a video about some sort of thing.

849

:

And so their, their most recent one

was about the Harry Potter thing,

850

:

and basically, like, "Guys, I get it.

851

:

We loved Potter, but we're adults

now, and this is harming people."

852

:

So I sent it to Vanessa, and 'cause

she's struggling with, like, the kids

853

:

love Harry Potter because all kids love

Harry Potter, and they- they're wanting

854

:

to go do Harry Potter things because

the world is saturated with Harry Potter

855

:

shit, and they want to buy, you know,

robes and toys and whatever, play sets.

856

:

And so she hasn't been

letting them do that.

857

:

They've been making their own,

and they're great at that.

858

:

Kids have imaginations, so

they create their own games.

859

:

They have these, like, off-brand

like, generic wizard robe Halloween

860

:

costume things, and they just

play Harry Potter on their own.

861

:

But, like, the obsession, she didn't

tell me why she's c- but she said she's

862

:

thinking of stopping after this book

because of just h- the, the fervor that

863

:

people get for this, especially kids their

a- this is crack to them, these books.

864

:

They were a capitalist juggernaut

because of how addicted they are.

865

:

So anyway, so she's like, "I'm, I'm…

866

:

We're gonna stop with the Harry Potter."

867

:

But it got me thinking about, like,

what to do, for those of us who maybe

868

:

were into Harry Potter the first time

before we knew she was a monster if you

869

:

still have Harry Potter stuff, you know?

870

:

You can't…

871

:

It's not like you can take the

money back from whatever evil

872

:

organization she used it for.

873

:

So I was thinking about, like, the

problematic fave, merch reclamation

874

:

project, 'cause I have a bunch of

T-shirts from Buc-ee's that I really love.

875

:

You know Buc-ee's this, uh,

876

:

Beck: Yeah.

877

:

Dash: yeah

878

:

slash theme park,

879

:

you know, I, w- when it first

came to, to Richmond, I loved it.

880

:

It was so funny.

881

:

You could always go

there and get good food.

882

:

They had a little bit of everything.

883

:

It was just crazy.

884

:

It was insane.

885

:

But the, the owner has now, like,

expressed and committed to some really,

886

:

like, anti-worker ideologies and policies.

887

:

And also, even if I wasn't, you

don't have to be some hardcore

888

:

lefty socialist to care about that.

889

:

Because what he's saying

890

:

Beck: Right

891

:

Dash: when he says shit like

that is, "I'm only going to build

892

:

places where people don't have the

privilege of demanding better."

893

:

I am…

894

:

What h- what he means by, "I'm only

going to red states because they

895

:

don't organize," is, "I'm only gonna

build places where people have to

896

:

just take whatever I offer them."

897

:

Because that's, that's what the

union busting did back in, back

898

:

when the auto companies left

Detroit and they went down south.

899

:

They did that because nobody

by then could, could organize.

900

:

The union busting had taken such a toll.

901

:

Anyway, that's a side plot.

902

:

But I have these, like, just really

cute tank tops that I just don't

903

:

wanna get rid of, and I, it's not

like I can undo the financial thing.

904

:

It's not like I can,

like, take the money back.

905

:

So I thought, like, I could um, s- like,

print, decorate them, or deface them

906

:

somehow with, like, you know, pro-worker

s- like, slogans or whatever, ' there's

907

:

so many things, like especially nostalgic

things, that you grow up later and they

908

:

have become evil or horrible in some way

909

:

Beck: Right.

910

:

Yeah.

911

:

to be a big Ellen

DeGeneres fan, for example

912

:

Dash: Yeah, but I mean, I don't

know if Ellen really had merch.

913

:

But I think I'm gonna do that.

914

:

I need, I need some slogans to

print on these kinda gay tank tops

915

:

I got from Buc-ee's, 'cause I'm

just, I'm not gonna give them up.

916

:

I don't care that much about Harry

Potter anymore, but I think I probably

917

:

do still have some stuff around here.

918

:

I got the books at least

919

:

Beck: Yeah.

920

:

lost my Harry Potter books a

long time ago in one of my moves.

921

:

I, I took a lot of stuff to, uh Is it

Half Price Books that'll buy your stuff?

922

:

Dash: Yeah

923

:

Beck: Or one of, one of those

companies that buy your media.

924

:

I took, like, four big boxes

of stuff, of DVDs and books and

925

:

all that, and sold it, and my

926

:

Dash: I think Skeschel does too

927

:

Beck: I've never heard of that one

928

:

Dash: Oh, it's in, for a minute, it's

in Lexington, but It was probably

929

:

there when you lived there, but

you didn't live there very long.

930

:

Beck: was only there for…

931

:

Lexington, I loved Lexington.

932

:

It ha- it hated me.

933

:

Dash: Sometimes it's like that.

934

:

Beck: yeah, the whole universe was telling

me to go home, go back to Huntington

935

:

Dash: That's kinda how this place

has treated me Like I move here

936

:

and everything went to shit.

937

:

Like seriously, nothing

about my life improved

938

:

That's okay.

939

:

It's in the past.

940

:

Beck: a job?

941

:

Dash: Yeah, if you want

942

:

Beck: I do

943

:

Dash: You, so, uh, there's a, this

is other thing that's very real,

944

:

which is that if you stay there,

you're not gonna increase your pay.

945

:

You have to move to get a pay increase.

946

:

That's true.

947

:

I, I don't know about industry to

industry, but in a lot of the, a lot

948

:

of the people I know who work, who

especially come from, like, a background

949

:

like ours and then go into a middle

class space, that's their reality.

950

:

You have to wh- whole- leave a whole

company or a university or whatever

951

:

to increase your pay in any way.

952

:

So if they, even if they offer you,

they're just dangling carrots in

953

:

front of you semester by semester.

954

:

You have so much experience, you

don't have to settle for that anymore

955

:

Beck: Let's hope.

956

:

I can't go back to the phones.

957

:

I cannot do it.

958

:

I cannot do it.

959

:

And I feel like that's the only

other skill I have besides teaching

960

:

Dash: It's tough because you've

spent so much time developing in this

961

:

one field . It is very hard to go

back to or, or just change course.

962

:

Like even for me, just going from staff

to faculty was apparently a Herculean task

963

:

I'll see if they'll hire you here though

964

:

Beck: Okay.

965

:

I'd move there

966

:

Dash: The town the school is

in is actually kind of cute.

967

:

It's, it's not bad at all.

968

:

It's large.

969

:

It has actual things in it.

970

:

A bunch of parks and trails and stuff.

971

:

It's not as, like, flat and

cornfield-y as it is out here.

972

:

You know, you, like I say, I

live on the prairie, and I do

973

:

technically, yet I don't see prairie.

974

:

All I see is corn and soy farms

975

:

Beck: That's all it is here too.

976

:

Though I did find a

pumpkin patch this week

977

:

Dash: Ooh, that's a good thought.

978

:

That's a good thought.

979

:

I need to, I need to look and see if…

980

:

'Cause if you, you can get to

nature, you can get to a prairie.

981

:

You have to drive half an

hour to an hour to do it.

982

:

But people will do cute

things a- around here.

983

:

You just can only do,

like, one thing a week

984

:

Beck: Yeah.

985

:

We like to drive around and look at

houses is our favorite thing to do

986

:

Dash: Interesting.

987

:

What, what kinds of things are, are,

are, do you notice when you do that?

988

:

Beck: Um, The land, uh, how many

floors it is, how nice it is, the

989

:

type of cars they have the entryway.

990

:

Like, I like, I like, apparently I

like stuff with columns in the front of

991

:

them if they're trying to look classic.

992

:

Shana doesn't like that.

993

:

She likes more mid-century

modern kind of aesthetic.

994

:

We look for creepy houses,

just, just whatever.

995

:

We, we just like looking at houses

996

:

Dash: And that's not something

I've ever really done.

997

:

But

998

:

Beck: driving the back roads

999

:

Dash: it sounds fun

:

00:43:52,489 --> 00:43:56,109

I have a friend who all she does

is just go out and drive around.

:

00:43:56,309 --> 00:44:00,309

I didn't realize it, and when I say all

she does, she actually has two jobs.

:

00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:04,399

She teaches, she's a, a typical

butch lesbian stereotype.

:

00:44:04,399 --> 00:44:08,729

She teaches gym class for elementary

kids during the day, and then she

:

00:44:08,749 --> 00:44:12,498

works a f- uh, you know, a half a

shift at Walmart I don't know how

:

00:44:12,498 --> 00:44:15,568

she finds the time to do this, but

she literally, she doesn't go home.

:

00:44:15,578 --> 00:44:19,638

She just drives around all hours

of the night in her pickup truck.

:

00:44:19,838 --> 00:44:23,408

So much so that she, it's inevitable that

she's gonna get in a horrible accident.

:

00:44:23,408 --> 00:44:25,388

She's been hit by,

like, six drunk drivers.

:

00:44:25,798 --> 00:44:26,108

It's…

:

00:44:26,448 --> 00:44:27,028

Beck: Oh, wow

:

00:44:27,228 --> 00:44:30,348

Dash: Like, sh- she spends so much

of her time just driving around.

:

00:44:30,358 --> 00:44:32,988

It's all she wants to do, and

I, I kinda wanna know, like,

:

00:44:32,998 --> 00:44:34,598

are you looking at things?

:

00:44:34,878 --> 00:44:36,268

Are you just thinking?

:

00:44:36,468 --> 00:44:40,628

It's kind of a, the way she talks about

it, it's like this romantic cowboy

:

00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:44,778

type of thing, which, and I, I think

driving around is fun too, but the, I…

:

00:44:44,788 --> 00:44:47,508

Wait, I'm gonna have to, this thing's

gonna keep blowing on my ears until I

:

00:44:47,508 --> 00:44:49,428

take it off, so put something else on

:

00:44:49,628 --> 00:44:54,738

I got these really shitty

earphone or earbuds on a plane

:

00:44:54,938 --> 00:44:57,638

If I ever get paid, I

will get some nicer things

:

00:44:57,838 --> 00:44:58,498

Beck: Amen to that.

:

00:44:58,698 --> 00:45:01,008

I get paid, but then everything

I turn around, every time I turn

:

00:45:01,008 --> 00:45:02,648

around something costs $1,000

:

00:45:03,122 --> 00:45:03,582

Dash: No.

:

00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,549

Well, let's see if I…

:

00:45:05,779 --> 00:45:08,149

I don't even remember what I wound

up doing, but I did eventually

:

00:45:08,149 --> 00:45:11,609

write a sponsor, so let's

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:

00:45:22,915 --> 00:45:28,105

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:

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:

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hollers of Appalachia, well

into the:

:

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still keeping that centralized

family computer tradition alive.

:

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It lived in a little desk in the corner of

the family room or whatever room you had

:

00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,509

that wasn't where anyone slept or shat.

:

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The size of a donkey and surrounded by

a nest of cables nobody was allowed to

:

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:

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It had the tax office, MapQuest,

WebMD, Yahoo Mail, Limewire,

:

00:45:59,779 --> 00:46:04,659

Napster, AOL Messenger, whatever

virus-mined pixel games mom was into.

:

00:46:04,859 --> 00:46:08,639

There were countless accounts and

no memory of passwords, so the rule

:

00:46:08,649 --> 00:46:10,869

was, by God, don't ever turn it off.

:

00:46:11,069 --> 00:46:12,909

Dad used it to look up truck parts.

:

00:46:12,919 --> 00:46:17,039

Some teenager or other used it to talk

to strangers on AOL Instant Messenger.

:

00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,909

The youngest child was allowed

to play Solitaire, but only after

:

00:46:19,909 --> 00:46:21,289

everybody else was finished with it.

:

00:46:21,489 --> 00:46:25,729

It would take 15 minutes to wake up and

sounded like a small aircraft taking off.

:

00:46:26,209 --> 00:46:29,319

The internet may have come in

the mail back then, but modems

:

00:46:29,319 --> 00:46:32,259

were still screeching the song

of their people to get connected.

:

00:46:32,657 --> 00:46:36,427

Nobody got away with unobserved

browsing between all the racket.

:

00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:40,717

There was a printer beside it that

had been out of cyan since:

:

00:46:40,717 --> 00:46:43,537

but nobody was throwing it away

because we might need it, and one

:

00:46:43,537 --> 00:46:45,707

day we might find out what cyan is.

:

00:46:45,907 --> 00:46:50,467

And the family desktop had one sacred

rule: do not download anything.

:

00:46:50,667 --> 00:46:54,317

When you're your own tech support and

the thing costs more than the pickup, you

:

00:46:54,317 --> 00:46:56,537

are in preservation mode at all times.

:

00:46:56,907 --> 00:46:58,907

The family desktop

wasn't really a computer.

:

00:46:58,917 --> 00:47:02,577

It was the household's public information

portal, and everybody knew better than to

:

00:47:02,577 --> 00:47:06,137

do anything on it that they wouldn't want

the entire family discovering six months

:

00:47:06,137 --> 00:47:08,887

later or during discovery in a trial.

:

00:47:09,355 --> 00:47:13,185

To the family desktop, where we learned

a little risk was worth either a

:

00:47:13,185 --> 00:47:15,695

lot of reward or a legendary beating

:

00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:21,010

Man, one time David thought he was

gonna get away with calling a 900 number

:

00:47:21,417 --> 00:47:22,147

Beck: Oh, wow

:

00:47:22,347 --> 00:47:24,147

Dash: He was so fucking stupid sometimes

:

00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:25,641

Beck: What kind of 900 number?

:

00:47:25,641 --> 00:47:27,251

Was it a sex talk or a psychic?

:

00:47:27,557 --> 00:47:28,487

Dash: That was a sex talk one

:

00:47:29,052 --> 00:47:31,532

I did not know that the internet

liked to spill its secrets

:

00:47:32,274 --> 00:47:36,924

I think the first person I ever called

a girlfriend was somebody I met in a

:

00:47:36,924 --> 00:47:41,544

chat room, and then we, like, switched

over to AOL Instant Messenger, and

:

00:47:41,544 --> 00:47:45,494

then we would use phone cards, to

talk to, 'cause she lived in Scotland

:

00:47:45,822 --> 00:47:47,255

Beck: Wow That's cool

:

00:47:47,455 --> 00:47:47,905

Dash: Very random.

:

00:47:47,915 --> 00:47:50,115

Did you have any internet

boyfriends or girlfriends?

:

00:47:50,646 --> 00:47:54,046

Beck: That's where I met all of my gay

friends in Huntington was on the internet.

:

00:47:54,396 --> 00:47:57,856

I was much better with that than I was,

like, going to the bar and meeting people.

:

00:47:58,146 --> 00:48:02,075

And a girl that I met on the internet

through AIM um, is the person who I

:

00:48:02,075 --> 00:48:04,835

met Shana from, uh, weirdly enough.

:

00:48:04,985 --> 00:48:06,185

So that worked out.

:

00:48:06,415 --> 00:48:07,875

There was a girl that I dated.

:

00:48:08,015 --> 00:48:08,475

I, I…

:

00:48:08,825 --> 00:48:09,935

One girl maybe.

:

00:48:09,985 --> 00:48:10,935

That's, that's about it.

:

00:48:10,935 --> 00:48:11,505

I didn't…

:

00:48:11,885 --> 00:48:12,295

I don't know.

:

00:48:12,295 --> 00:48:12,965

I didn't…

:

00:48:13,165 --> 00:48:15,555

I, I pretend like I was

a big whore, but I wasn't

:

00:48:15,755 --> 00:48:16,705

Dash: I don't know if I was or not.

:

00:48:16,825 --> 00:48:21,905

I mean, I, I kinda was in college for

a while, but high school, I mean it-

:

00:48:21,975 --> 00:48:24,675

Beck: I have been together

since:

:

00:48:24,931 --> 00:48:25,957

Dash: Yehaw

:

00:48:25,957 --> 00:48:27,247

Beck: not a lot of chances.

:

00:48:27,247 --> 00:48:29,637

We did, like I've, I've never

been on a dating app before.

:

00:48:29,637 --> 00:48:30,837

I have no idea how they work

:

00:48:31,037 --> 00:48:32,317

Dash: They don't anymore.

:

00:48:32,397 --> 00:48:37,557

They u- so, like, I have been on them,

like, at certain points in my life.

:

00:48:37,607 --> 00:48:39,477

Mostly I make friends on them.

:

00:48:39,677 --> 00:48:42,977

It's kinda like, so a lot of

those apps, y- you can do that.

:

00:48:42,977 --> 00:48:43,877

You can just make friends.

:

00:48:43,877 --> 00:48:47,807

It's sort of like how there are all

kinds of creators on OnlyFans, but

:

00:48:47,807 --> 00:48:49,357

everybody only knows it for the porn.

:

00:48:49,557 --> 00:48:54,157

So I, I was on it there in Bowling

Green and made a couple friends and

:

00:48:54,157 --> 00:48:59,477

then dated some people from it, and I

was on it for, I can't remember, some

:

00:48:59,477 --> 00:49:01,147

other time that I had downloaded it.

:

00:49:01,347 --> 00:49:05,317

But, but, uh, lately I had

decided, like, there's gotta be

:

00:49:05,317 --> 00:49:06,607

some queer people around here.

:

00:49:06,807 --> 00:49:08,107

And I don't know about lately.

:

00:49:08,107 --> 00:49:10,687

It was probably shortly after I

moved here, maybe like 18 months ago.

:

00:49:10,947 --> 00:49:13,437

So I'd started, like,

looking for apps to download.

:

00:49:13,637 --> 00:49:15,047

You can't use them anymore.

:

00:49:15,047 --> 00:49:15,227

You…

:

00:49:15,417 --> 00:49:18,907

Like, first of all, you have to have

a paid subscription to use them.

:

00:49:19,197 --> 00:49:20,597

There's no free version anymore.

:

00:49:21,057 --> 00:49:22,567

You can't speak to anybody.

:

00:49:22,667 --> 00:49:26,317

You just have to, like, trade hearts

and likes back and forth, and if you

:

00:49:26,317 --> 00:49:28,167

match, then you can talk to people.

:

00:49:28,187 --> 00:49:32,937

But that, what that means is that you

have to spend all your time on there just

:

00:49:32,947 --> 00:49:37,587

browsing and swiping, hoping that you

swipe at the same time as another person.

:

00:49:37,737 --> 00:49:41,987

Like, technically it doesn't expire, but

they're really just, like, trying to…

:

00:49:41,997 --> 00:49:46,467

It's, they're just another

vehicle for ads So not anymore

:

00:49:46,477 --> 00:49:47,857

can you meet people that way.

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00:49:47,957 --> 00:49:48,317

Beck: Yeah

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00:49:48,517 --> 00:49:50,297

Dash: I don't think people do meet anymore

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00:49:50,497 --> 00:49:54,577

Let's go back to communicating via

books in the back of the sex shop

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00:49:59,777 --> 00:50:01,617

Beck: Well, I guess

that's actually not true.

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00:50:01,777 --> 00:50:04,267

Uh, right before Shana and I

started dating and I worked at

:

00:50:04,267 --> 00:50:08,777

the photography studio there was

a website called Her She Kisses.

:

00:50:08,981 --> 00:50:09,191

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:50:09,237 --> 00:50:10,817

Beck: Like her, sh- yeah, you get it.

:

00:50:11,107 --> 00:50:14,357

And I put up, like, a little,

like, profile or whatever.

:

00:50:14,567 --> 00:50:15,477

I did the free version.

:

00:50:15,477 --> 00:50:19,067

I didn't pay anything, and somebody,

this woman I can't even remember her

:

00:50:19,067 --> 00:50:23,477

name now she saw the commercial that I

did for the studio, 'cause I was in a

:

00:50:23,477 --> 00:50:25,217

local commercial at the same time, too.

:

00:50:25,527 --> 00:50:29,117

Now, you have to remember this is when I

was thin, had cute hair, like was wearing

:

00:50:29,586 --> 00:50:31,146

Dash: Is this the woman

that got obsessed with you?

:

00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:35,129

Beck: well, she w- I think she found

out, realized my name was Becky,

:

00:50:35,129 --> 00:50:39,759

and her ex-girlfriend's name was

Becky, and she was trying to, like,

:

00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:41,559

make her jealous or something.

:

00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:42,829

I don't know, but it was weird.

:

00:50:43,059 --> 00:50:45,609

She told a bunch of people that

we had sex when we never did.

:

00:50:45,979 --> 00:50:48,809

I found that out 'cause we had a mutual

friend, and she's like, "I can't believe

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00:50:48,809 --> 00:50:50,369

you had sex with," whatever her name was.

:

00:50:50,369 --> 00:50:51,649

And I was like, "I did not."

:

00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:52,599

You know?

:

00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:53,599

N- no, thank you.

:

00:50:53,619 --> 00:50:54,819

No, ma'am, I did not.

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00:50:55,249 --> 00:50:55,939

That was my ass.

:

00:50:55,969 --> 00:50:58,209

That w- that whole thing was

a mess, and then I found out

:

00:50:58,209 --> 00:51:01,579

about the Becky connection and

was like, "That's really weird."

:

00:51:01,779 --> 00:51:04,379

last I heard, she had gone

and married some man, so

:

00:51:05,054 --> 00:51:08,654

one experience, but there was no

swiping left or right back then, so

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00:51:08,896 --> 00:51:09,066

Dash: No,

:

00:51:09,114 --> 00:51:09,724

Beck: would've been probably

:

00:51:10,685 --> 00:51:12,915

Dash: they weren't

phones really that, that

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00:51:13,115 --> 00:51:13,595

Beck: Yeah

:

00:51:13,795 --> 00:51:19,365

Dash: I do remember, uh, Craigslist

dating, which was mostly sex work.

:

00:51:19,545 --> 00:51:22,105

So it was like you weren't

gonna really find…

:

00:51:22,115 --> 00:51:24,975

It was mostly just sex

workers talking to each other.

:

00:51:25,465 --> 00:51:25,975

Not really.

:

00:51:25,975 --> 00:51:28,005

Like, they, they didn't talk to

each other, but y- they would,

:

00:51:28,005 --> 00:51:29,195

like, meet their clients there.

:

00:51:29,645 --> 00:51:31,825

So that wasn't really dating, but still.

:

00:51:31,865 --> 00:51:33,815

Some people did, like with

the missed connections thing

:

00:51:34,015 --> 00:51:35,375

I watched a movie…

:

00:51:35,575 --> 00:51:39,325

Well, I've watched a lot of movies since

we recorded last, but the, there's a

:

00:51:39,335 --> 00:51:43,845

movie called The Invite that came out

recently with, uh, Olivia Wilde, Seth

:

00:51:43,865 --> 00:51:49,575

Rogen, Ed Norton, and Penelope Cruz,

which is an eclectic cast, right?

:

00:51:49,615 --> 00:51:54,535

Like, that is, even if the mo- if

the premise wasn't intriguing and

:

00:51:54,535 --> 00:51:59,195

the execution w- wasn't marvelous,

that cast would get my attention.

:

00:51:59,395 --> 00:52:01,225

Like, what are these four doing together?

:

00:52:01,793 --> 00:52:05,233

And then I really appreciate

Olivia Wilde as a director.

:

00:52:05,253 --> 00:52:09,193

I think that, like, sh- more and

more she distinguishes herself

:

00:52:09,583 --> 00:52:10,973

with every film she puts out.

:

00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:15,323

But it's, the premise is these, uh,

it's this one, this couple, Olivia

:

00:52:15,323 --> 00:52:20,320

Wilde and Seth Rogen, who make a really

interesting couple together, who are…

:

00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:22,130

They're sort of falling out of love.

:

00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,020

They have a lot of conflict and a

lot of resentment around who the,

:

00:52:27,090 --> 00:52:30,100

uh, who, who they feel they've

become in the relationship.

:

00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:35,500

And then, uh, Ed Norton and Penelope

Cruz are this kind of like sophisticated

:

00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:41,810

and slick, but also like, you know,

desirable couple, and they come down and

:

00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:43,470

invite them to have group sex basically.

:

00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:48,267

This is the premise of the whole movie,

and it all takes place just in their

:

00:52:48,287 --> 00:52:51,017

apartment, just in this one apartment,

and it's only the four of them.

:

00:52:51,467 --> 00:52:51,767

It's…

:

00:52:51,797 --> 00:52:56,927

It feels like those old Hitchcock

movies that all took place in one

:

00:52:56,927 --> 00:53:03,101

location, and the characters really

just balloon into these big, full

:

00:53:03,101 --> 00:53:07,351

narratives of people through,

over the course of the, the story.

:

00:53:07,551 --> 00:53:08,701

I really loved it.

:

00:53:08,841 --> 00:53:09,571

I thought it was great.

:

00:53:09,731 --> 00:53:13,421

And Olivia Wilde, like, she

has this eye as a director.

:

00:53:13,511 --> 00:53:17,331

But it got me thinking though, like,

you know, we, we, we talk about auteurs

:

00:53:17,351 --> 00:53:19,081

in film, and they're always men.

:

00:53:19,281 --> 00:53:23,161

It's not a surprise that, you know,

uh, cinema, like all everything

:

00:53:23,161 --> 00:53:27,491

else in our society, is patriarchal

or male-centric, but even just the

:

00:53:27,491 --> 00:53:31,301

concept of auteur, there is no, like,

there's not a feminine version of it.

:

00:53:31,501 --> 00:53:34,791

Not even that, like, s- y- you, I wouldn't

even know how to make the case that Olivia

:

00:53:34,791 --> 00:53:39,261

Wilde is an auteur because auteur means

something specific to the male gaze.

:

00:53:39,461 --> 00:53:43,991

So we haven't created the possibility

yet of a feminine version of

:

00:53:44,011 --> 00:53:46,951

auteur, and I think, I think

about that a lot all the time.

:

00:53:46,951 --> 00:53:49,271

Like, I've constantly gone back

to that idea ever since I started

:

00:53:49,271 --> 00:53:51,051

learning about, like, film studies.

:

00:53:51,251 --> 00:53:55,911

But with her, there's always these,

like, smear campaigns and stuff

:

00:53:55,921 --> 00:53:57,831

for every film that she's made.

:

00:53:58,251 --> 00:53:59,981

So the first one she made was Booksmart.

:

00:54:00,131 --> 00:54:00,871

Did you see it?

:

00:54:01,071 --> 00:54:01,441

Beck: No

:

00:54:01,565 --> 00:54:01,775

Dash: It…

:

00:54:01,835 --> 00:54:02,745

You would like it.

:

00:54:02,755 --> 00:54:03,905

It's very good.

:

00:54:03,905 --> 00:54:10,005

It's, it's a raunchy, queer, teen, uh,

you know, like, Dazed and Confused type

:

00:54:10,075 --> 00:54:14,115

going, you know, coming-of-age type of

thing, last party of the school year.

:

00:54:14,585 --> 00:54:19,375

And everybody kept comparing it to

Superbad, which I guess is fair.

:

00:54:19,775 --> 00:54:22,605

Well, no, it's not fair because

like I just said, there's a

:

00:54:22,815 --> 00:54:24,825

ton of versions of that film.

:

00:54:24,825 --> 00:54:26,135

That genre is vast.

:

00:54:26,135 --> 00:54:27,755

They could've compared it

to all kinds of things.

:

00:54:28,095 --> 00:54:30,695

I think Dazed and Confused

would be a more apt comparison.

:

00:54:30,895 --> 00:54:33,885

And so they reduced-- They kept

calling it the, the lesbian Superbad.

:

00:54:34,308 --> 00:54:37,268

P- like, people kept saying, like, "Oh,

yeah, it's just the lesbian Superbad."

:

00:54:37,358 --> 00:54:39,218

It's n- it wasn't like Superbad at all.

:

00:54:39,258 --> 00:54:42,988

Superbad was fine, but,

like, s- Booksmart was…

:

00:54:43,398 --> 00:54:46,068

It was about this whole community of kids.

:

00:54:46,148 --> 00:54:48,978

Like, it was about, like,

what we do to young people.

:

00:54:49,018 --> 00:54:50,178

It was just about so much more.

:

00:54:50,378 --> 00:54:54,928

And then she made that Don't Worry

Darling movie with, uh, Harry

:

00:54:54,928 --> 00:54:57,571

Styles and Florence Pugh, and

:

00:54:57,609 --> 00:54:58,369

Beck: to watch list

:

00:54:58,591 --> 00:54:59,271

Dash: very good.

:

00:54:59,371 --> 00:55:00,251

I really liked it.

:

00:55:00,451 --> 00:55:05,491

Uh, but I almost didn't watch it because

the smear campaign was so influential.

:

00:55:05,521 --> 00:55:06,281

Like, and it's…

:

00:55:06,321 --> 00:55:07,871

A- now I can't even

remember what it was about.

:

00:55:07,871 --> 00:55:11,451

It was something to do with,

like, an affair and, uh, casting

:

00:55:11,461 --> 00:55:13,941

drama, which isn't within…

:

00:55:14,201 --> 00:55:17,381

And somehow this all got laid at

her feet or associated with her.

:

00:55:17,501 --> 00:55:23,281

But it actually was just a f- fabulous

movie with this incredible, like, feminist

:

00:55:23,331 --> 00:55:28,591

messaging and exploration of even, like,

a treatment of incel culture that was

:

00:55:28,601 --> 00:55:30,751

really compassionate and interesting.

:

00:55:30,751 --> 00:55:32,831

Like, it was, it was masculinity theory.

:

00:55:33,111 --> 00:55:34,191

So, so smart.

:

00:55:34,391 --> 00:55:38,251

And then the invite, the way that,

like, she invokes this, like, this

:

00:55:38,281 --> 00:55:40,101

pressure in a relationship, it's…

:

00:55:40,131 --> 00:55:43,561

I just don't think we make movies like

that anymore, and I think she's doing

:

00:55:43,621 --> 00:55:45,961

interesting things, and nobody ever…

:

00:55:46,231 --> 00:55:48,531

It's, like, I, I think

I would even feel…

:

00:55:48,561 --> 00:55:51,991

I'm, I'm gonna feel, like, embarrassed

to be talking like this about somebody

:

00:55:51,991 --> 00:55:55,561

who's seen as so normal as Olivia

Wilde, as though she's this fabulous

:

00:55:55,561 --> 00:55:58,111

director, 'cause we're just not

supposed to talk about women this way.

:

00:55:58,261 --> 00:56:00,561

When is the last time somebody

gushed over a female director?

:

00:56:00,761 --> 00:56:01,111

Beck: Right?

:

00:56:01,311 --> 00:56:03,281

Dash: Can't think of, uh, any.

:

00:56:03,341 --> 00:56:05,691

And a lot of times people will go like,

"Well, we just don't, you know, women

:

00:56:05,691 --> 00:56:07,841

don't get to direct as many movies."

:

00:56:08,121 --> 00:56:12,677

Sure, that's true too It doesn't mean

none of them do , and it doesn't mean

:

00:56:12,967 --> 00:56:15,917

that there aren't plenty of women

who have directed multiple films that

:

00:56:15,917 --> 00:56:17,677

are excellent, and she's one of them.

:

00:56:18,127 --> 00:56:21,107

So I'm determined to bring,

to make autress a thing or

:

00:56:21,107 --> 00:56:22,097

whatever we would call it

:

00:56:22,297 --> 00:56:22,657

Beck: Right

:

00:56:23,174 --> 00:56:24,314

Dash: Penelope Cruz is so hot

:

00:56:24,514 --> 00:56:25,294

Beck: Oh, I agree.

:

00:56:25,604 --> 00:56:27,564

Do you know who Hannah Waddingham

:

00:56:27,726 --> 00:56:28,266

Dash: Yes.

:

00:56:28,384 --> 00:56:29,004

Beck: Have you watched…

:

00:56:29,484 --> 00:56:30,954

She is gorgeous.

:

00:56:30,974 --> 00:56:33,984

She is not my type at

all, but I am like, damn.

:

00:56:34,324 --> 00:56:36,054

She is absolutely beautiful.

:

00:56:36,064 --> 00:56:37,314

Have you watched Ted Lasso?

:

00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:37,650

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,120

I, well, I watched the

first season and a half.

:

00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,450

I, I, I think there's four now, right?

:

00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:43,150

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:43,450

Dash: Yeah

:

00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,330

Beck: we're caught up to current events.

:

00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:47,260

But she is just stunning.

:

00:56:47,566 --> 00:56:48,506

Dash: Where are you getting it?

:

00:56:48,556 --> 00:56:52,206

Are you, are you stealing it from

somewhere or are you actually…

:

00:56:52,510 --> 00:56:53,190

Beck: f- we paid for

:

00:56:53,306 --> 00:56:53,996

Dash: You pay for it?

:

00:56:53,996 --> 00:56:54,356

Okay.

:

00:56:54,446 --> 00:56:55,496

I, I was thinking,

:

00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:56,040

Beck: yeah

:

00:56:56,226 --> 00:56:57,766

Dash: gonna have to do that too probably

:

00:56:57,966 --> 00:56:58,386

Beck: Yeah

:

00:56:58,462 --> 00:56:59,662

Dash: 'cause there's a

couple things on there.

:

00:56:59,662 --> 00:57:01,532

I would like to also watch Widow's Bay.

:

00:57:01,982 --> 00:57:05,952

I've heard great things about it, and

I liked that guy, that, that actor.

:

00:57:05,952 --> 00:57:09,122

He was in The Beast in Me

Hannah Waddingham played…

:

00:57:09,122 --> 00:57:12,752

a lesbian in s- uh, Sex

Education, I'm pretty sure.

:

00:57:12,952 --> 00:57:14,112

What's the name of the show?

:

00:57:14,312 --> 00:57:17,312

Like she, she's like this

high, high-pressure mo-

:

00:57:17,402 --> 00:57:18,692

like a sports mom, right?

:

00:57:18,712 --> 00:57:20,902

Her son is very, like she

wants him to be really, really

:

00:57:20,902 --> 00:57:22,912

competitive in, I think, swimming.

:

00:57:22,912 --> 00:57:24,162

Well, probably all sports.

:

00:57:24,362 --> 00:57:27,462

So she's, she's funny and also

kind of scary in that Did you know,

:

00:57:27,482 --> 00:57:29,882

well, of course you know because

you've watched Ted Lasso, she's

:

00:57:29,882 --> 00:57:31,182

like a very accomplished singer

:

00:57:31,555 --> 00:57:33,295

Beck: Oh yeah I have Googled her rightly

:

00:57:33,495 --> 00:57:35,815

Dash: Oh, well, did you bring

a noun of Appalachian interest?

:

00:57:36,015 --> 00:57:39,145

Beck: I did an interesting

one this week, in my opinion.

:

00:57:44,245 --> 00:57:48,115

This week's Noun of Appalachian Interest

is the Greenbrier Ghost, because

:

00:57:48,115 --> 00:57:52,215

apparently in West Virginia, dying does

not get you out of a court appearance.

:

00:57:52,695 --> 00:57:58,135

As the story goes anyway, in:

woman named Zona Heaster Shue was found

:

00:57:58,135 --> 00:57:59,945

dead in her home in Greenbrier County.

:

00:58:00,405 --> 00:58:03,705

Her husband, Edward, kept the doctor

from properly examining her neck.

:

00:58:03,905 --> 00:58:07,635

Her death was initially ruled

as natural, but Zona's mother,

:

00:58:07,665 --> 00:58:09,225

Mary Jane, wasn't buying it.

:

00:58:09,265 --> 00:58:11,595

She hadn't liked Edward

before the wedding either.

:

00:58:11,815 --> 00:58:14,205

Some mothers need the time

to warm up to the son-in-law.

:

00:58:14,415 --> 00:58:15,935

This one needed a prosecutor.

:

00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:19,980

Then Mary Jane said that Zona

started appearing to her at night.

:

00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:22,980

According to her account, her

daughter's spirit told her that Edward

:

00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:24,480

had killed her by breaking her neck.

:

00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:27,460

Many ghosts apparently settle

for rattling a cabinet.

:

00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:29,620

This one had information

for the authorities.

:

00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:32,330

Mary Jane took her

story to the prosecutor.

:

00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:36,050

He investigated, learned about the

incomplete examination, and had Zona's

:

00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,365

body dug up, and an autopsy found a broken

neck and evidence of a strangulation.

:

00:58:40,755 --> 00:58:44,285

Edward was tried, convicted of murder,

and sentenced to life in prison.

:

00:58:44,585 --> 00:58:48,355

Mary Jane's account of the ghostly

visits even came up in her testimony.

:

00:58:48,695 --> 00:58:52,385

Now, before anyone goes and starts

hiring a medium instead of a lawyer,

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00:58:52,615 --> 00:58:54,535

the injuries were physical evidence.

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00:58:54,535 --> 00:58:56,295

The ghost story was Mary Jane's account.

:

00:58:56,325 --> 00:58:57,815

Those are two different things.

:

00:58:58,195 --> 00:59:02,075

But West Virginia commemorated the

case with a roadside marker crediting a

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00:59:02,075 --> 00:59:03,925

ghost with helping convict a murderer.

:

00:59:04,165 --> 00:59:06,915

Imagine pulling over for a little

local history and finding a

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00:59:06,915 --> 00:59:09,382

supernatural episode of Dateline.

:

00:59:09,882 --> 00:59:13,362

Whether you believe Zona came back

or her mother simply refused to let

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00:59:13,362 --> 00:59:17,112

the case rest, Mary Jane kept asking

questions until somebody listened,

:

00:59:17,472 --> 00:59:20,422

and if I ever become a ghost, I

hope that I'm that determined.

:

00:59:20,682 --> 00:59:24,012

I'll probably spend six months trying to

remember who I came upstairs to haunt,

:

00:59:24,012 --> 00:59:27,782

but that's another story, and that's

this week's Noun of Appalachian Interest.

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00:59:28,892 --> 00:59:29,632

Dash: Oh.

:

00:59:29,972 --> 00:59:31,852

Oh, there's books written

about it and everything.

:

00:59:32,022 --> 00:59:33,962

Oh, there was an episode

of Drunk History about it

:

00:59:34,443 --> 00:59:34,923

Beck: Oh, cool

:

00:59:35,123 --> 00:59:37,573

Dash: Episode, season six, episode nine

:

00:59:37,773 --> 00:59:40,243

I think there's a kid who likes to…

:

00:59:40,303 --> 00:59:44,973

He makes those, like, compilation videos

of stories where he plays, like, Minecraft

:

00:59:44,973 --> 00:59:50,883

and then just talks about stuff, and he

is from North Carolina, and he did, he

:

00:59:50,893 --> 00:59:52,743

did one on the Greenbrier Ghost as well.

:

00:59:52,753 --> 00:59:54,353

Well, there's nothing on this webpage.

:

00:59:54,837 --> 00:59:56,157

Please tell me some information

:

00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:57,620

Okay, here it is

:

00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:58,470

This is Paramount+.

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00:59:58,870 --> 01:00:01,460

Can we s- we can s- watch these?

:

01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,260

You can watch some of these

without having to subscribe

:

01:00:03,857 --> 01:00:04,847

Beck: I have Paramount Plus

:

01:00:05,047 --> 01:00:07,527

Dash: I got rid of mine because

they're just so fucking crooked

:

01:00:07,727 --> 01:00:09,487

Beck: Yeah, I went to do it

and it was like, "How about

:

01:00:09,487 --> 01:00:10,867

$299 a month for three months?"

:

01:00:10,867 --> 01:00:11,707

And I was like, "Shit.

:

01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:12,490

Dash: Amy.

:

01:00:12,883 --> 01:00:13,643

Goddamn it

:

01:00:13,843 --> 01:00:14,643

Let's see if I can find…

:

01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:16,009

Beck: do like NCIS.

:

01:00:16,179 --> 01:00:18,949

NCS is probably my, NCIS is

probably my favorite TV show,

:

01:00:19,249 --> 01:00:20,529

which is very odd, I think.

:

01:00:20,529 --> 01:00:23,379

I don't seem like the cop

procedural kind of person.

:

01:00:23,699 --> 01:00:26,059

But they're good mysteries

is which I like, why I like

:

01:00:26,271 --> 01:00:27,751

Dash: I love a procedural.

:

01:00:27,951 --> 01:00:28,451

Beck: Yeah.

:

01:00:29,111 --> 01:00:29,201

I…

:

01:00:29,201 --> 01:00:29,681

watch FBI.

:

01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:34,479

Dash: Fuck cops and everything,

but, like, I like a mystery.

:

01:00:34,479 --> 01:00:36,959

I, I, I like the, the deductive reasoning.

:

01:00:36,959 --> 01:00:39,529

I like the emphasis on credible evidence.

:

01:00:39,549 --> 01:00:42,009

It's, they're very dorky things

:

01:00:42,209 --> 01:00:43,679

Beck: Yeah, I agree

:

01:00:43,879 --> 01:00:45,339

Dash: Are you gonna watch anything…

:

01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:47,599

You gonna watch spooky

movies this Halloween?

:

01:00:48,089 --> 01:00:49,749

I get you to watch anything spooky?

:

01:00:49,949 --> 01:00:51,039

Beck: I, I will for you.

:

01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:51,849

How about we'll say that?

:

01:00:51,849 --> 01:00:52,899

I'll watch one for you.

:

01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:54,629

I'll let you pick one out for me.

:

01:00:54,649 --> 01:00:55,139

Dash: All right

:

01:00:55,409 --> 01:00:58,209

Beck: we d- I mean, I mean,

Casper is about as haunted

:

01:00:58,209 --> 01:00:59,619

as I usually get around here.

:

01:01:00,049 --> 01:01:01,829

I'm just, it's just not my thing.

:

01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:04,449

But I will, I would t- I,

I will trust your opinion.

:

01:01:04,749 --> 01:01:07,699

I will trust your picking skills,

and I will let you pick one for us to

:

01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:08,679

Dash: Oh, shit.

:

01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:09,099

Okay.

:

01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:12,364

I guess we should probably spin this

wheel didn't do that last time 'cause

:

01:01:12,364 --> 01:01:14,314

we decided to lie about watching

:

01:01:16,351 --> 01:01:18,791

… Our eyes were bigger

than our stomach, okay?

:

01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:23,411

Like, we'll, we'll come back to Dolly when

we can give her more of our attention.

:

01:01:23,611 --> 01:01:24,161

There it is.

:

01:01:24,361 --> 01:01:24,571

All right

:

01:01:24,901 --> 01:01:25,801

It's not opening.

:

01:01:25,861 --> 01:01:26,371

I wonder

:

01:01:26,571 --> 01:01:27,251

Aren't you opening?

:

01:01:27,289 --> 01:01:29,079

Beck: students belly laugh this week.

:

01:01:29,409 --> 01:01:33,386

We watched a video, we were talking about

fourth wave feminism, and so I showed

:

01:01:33,386 --> 01:01:38,156

them a video of Christine Blasey Ford

and, uh, Brett Kavanaugh, the hearing,

:

01:01:38,166 --> 01:01:42,256

the Senate judiciary hearing before

he became, uh, on the Supreme Court.

:

01:01:42,606 --> 01:01:45,756

And at the end of it, Lindsey

Graham is speaking and he says,

:

01:01:45,986 --> 01:01:50,336

"You tell Sotomayor," and somebody,

whoever else, "Kagan and Sotomayor

:

01:01:50,336 --> 01:01:53,626

that Lindsey said hello, and I've

never seen anything so corrupt."

:

01:01:53,626 --> 01:01:54,416

And he just went off.

:

01:01:54,416 --> 01:01:59,436

And after, I just, like I pushed pause

or end, and I just went, "He died."

:

01:01:59,636 --> 01:02:00,886

Dash: He sure did

:

01:02:02,289 --> 01:02:03,239

Beck: He died.

:

01:02:03,439 --> 01:02:04,559

So it was funny

:

01:02:04,759 --> 01:02:08,509

Dash: Well, I guess our Spin app

has, just doesn't work anymore.

:

01:02:08,709 --> 01:02:13,479

It's not opening and I can't do

anything to troubleshoot it So

:

01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:14,599

We can

:

01:02:14,827 --> 01:02:17,957

Beck: What a Fool Believes by the

Doobie Brothers in my head currently.

:

01:02:17,957 --> 01:02:20,577

It's been there for several days

and I can't get it to go away

:

01:02:20,777 --> 01:02:21,557

Dash: I, I don't think…

:

01:02:21,977 --> 01:02:23,687

I haven't had anything stuck

in my head for a while.

:

01:02:23,887 --> 01:02:27,267

I, I got rid of all of my, a lo- I

have just not been on a lot of media

:

01:02:27,267 --> 01:02:30,777

lately just 'cause I'm so busy, and

I just g- get like that sometimes.

:

01:02:30,787 --> 01:02:31,897

Sometimes I just don't wanna

:

01:02:31,953 --> 01:02:34,323

Beck: Yeah Shana always

listens to music in the car.

:

01:02:34,323 --> 01:02:35,873

I'm always listening to an audiobook.

:

01:02:35,913 --> 01:02:39,893

We're different, so her music gets

stuck in my head, and that song,

:

01:02:39,903 --> 01:02:41,173

I just can't get out of my head

:

01:02:41,373 --> 01:02:45,253

I didn't know that Doobie Brothers was

Michael McDonald and Kenny Loggins.

:

01:02:45,253 --> 01:02:46,093

I didn't know that

:

01:02:46,561 --> 01:02:47,041

Dash: Really?

:

01:02:47,554 --> 01:02:48,084

Beck: Yeah.

:

01:02:48,154 --> 01:02:50,994

Dash: That's like the only thing

I know about those two people.

:

01:02:53,228 --> 01:02:55,738

Well, I'll- and Islands

in the Stream, obviously

:

01:02:55,938 --> 01:02:56,468

Beck: Right

:

01:02:56,668 --> 01:02:58,148

Dash: That was in my head for a while

:

01:02:58,348 --> 01:03:02,728

Beck: The song that was in my head I think

the longest was the, uh, Goodbye Earl,

:

01:03:03,045 --> 01:03:03,205

Dash: Bien

:

01:03:03,598 --> 01:03:05,868

Beck: and the Eminem song, the You

:

01:03:05,922 --> 01:03:06,292

Dash: You can make peepee

:

01:03:06,368 --> 01:03:06,618

Beck: Pee

:

01:03:06,662 --> 01:03:07,042

Dash: go.

:

01:03:07,368 --> 01:03:08,098

Beck: Badoing-doing-doing.

:

01:03:08,798 --> 01:03:09,248

Yeah.

:

01:03:09,448 --> 01:03:12,108

Very inappropriate for a

lesbian gender studies teacher,

:

01:03:12,108 --> 01:03:13,788

but that's what it was, so

:

01:03:13,988 --> 01:03:18,488

Dash: Well, I guess we're not gonna choose

anything from the wheel for next time,

:

01:03:18,498 --> 01:03:21,048

so we'll just come back and fuck around.

:

01:03:21,058 --> 01:03:24,348

Or if we think of something brilliant in

between, we'll surprise y'all with that

:

01:03:24,628 --> 01:03:27,398

Beck: Don't forget to email us your,

your pet pictures, especially your cat

:

01:03:27,398 --> 01:03:30,758

pictures, at mailbag@queernecks.com

:

01:03:31,214 --> 01:03:31,484

Dash: Yep.

:

01:03:31,684 --> 01:03:36,384

Pictures of cats, names, whatever you

want us to call you, within reason.

:

01:03:37,514 --> 01:03:40,184

if we don't get anything, we've,

we've, me and you together have had

:

01:03:40,184 --> 01:03:41,654

enough cats to make a full calendar.

:

01:03:41,954 --> 01:03:45,334

But I would rather have, you

know, other people's cats in them.

:

01:03:45,484 --> 01:03:46,663

I'll post it on the Facebook too.

:

01:03:46,663 --> 01:03:48,534

That's the only social media I kept.

:

01:03:48,734 --> 01:03:54,454

And yeah, if you, uh, know of anybody that

you think would, would, would be a Queer

:

01:03:54,454 --> 01:03:56,944

Neck, send them a link to the episode.

:

01:03:57,144 --> 01:04:00,604

And hopefully, hopefully the

weather's not too bad where you are.

:

01:04:00,804 --> 01:04:04,974

Let me go get this, uh,

soup off of the slow cooker

:

01:04:05,174 --> 01:04:07,134

Beck: I, I think I'm gonna

make me a grilled cheese, so

:

01:04:07,172 --> 01:04:07,922

Dash: Hell yeah.

:

01:04:08,122 --> 01:04:11,822

Well, we hope y'all eat you

something nummy as well, and be

:

01:04:11,822 --> 01:04:13,732

good, and say hi to your mom and them

:

01:04:13,932 --> 01:04:14,472

Beck: Bye

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