Wow, That's a Lot of Two Dollar Bills

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Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that

puts the Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck, and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Dr.

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Nelson wants me to tell her on the

23rd my decision of whether I'm gonna

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go forward with the program or not.

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and I've just been

thinking a lot about it.

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I don't, I don't know yet.

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got five more days to figure it out.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

the 23rd of this month.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: All right,

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well, let's talk it out.

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What would stop you from

saying, hell yeah, let's go.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I just

don't know if I have it in me, man.

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it's a lot of work and I don't think

I'm academically where I was like,

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I think I've lost a step or five.

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the, the theory part is gonna kill me.

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I don't know enough.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: You don't

have to redo that shit though, do you?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

what do you mean it has to

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be in there, doesn't it?

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

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But like, for the dissertation, there's

not a section where you go, and here's

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all the theory I learned in coursework.

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It's only what you want to use.

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so if you want to still wanna write

about, baseball as a microcosm for

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American cultural trends or, or something.

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You just use the theory that helps

you explore that or make that case.

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So, I used Kristeva and um, French

feminist psychoanalytic theory, I used

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structuralism and semiotics ' and,

The rest of it was, secondary sources.

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like other scholarship on monsters.

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So you would find your theory of

whoever the big person is that you

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were gonna use and then just look at

other things people had written about

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the same thing you're writing about.

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Because you wrote every

semester you wrote 80 pages.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: At least

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it would definitely be in grounded

in feminist theory with some

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critical race theory thrown in there.

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Talking about intersectionality Uh,

all those things that go with it,

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: something that

might work really well for you is audience

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reception studies, because baseball is

so mediated, they call it the national

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pastime because we literally all watch it

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: but only

half of us are allowed to play.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Right.

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Right.

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And so the audience for something

like what you're talking about could

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be a really impactful, entry point

and to be able to identify like what

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women who watch baseball even think,

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Who wouldn't,

I have to go back through IRB for

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Mm-hmm.

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No audience.

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That's public data.

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That's Nielsen numbers and things

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Got you.

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Have you ever been a Nielsen family?

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: yeah,

and, and man a recession hit them

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or something because they used to

send you four crisp dollar bills.

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And I, I got two last time I.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

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I got a $2 bill once.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Oh, interesting.

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I was thinking about $2 bills recently

because somebody mentioned one, on

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a podcast I was listening to, and

my dad, has a collection of them.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

Yeah, my mom did too.

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She gave for Christmas one year.

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She gave us all a hundred dollars

and $2 bills was one of our

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Wow.

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That's a lot of $2 bills.

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That's cool.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

they had access to the

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: if so when,

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Oh,

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: money at

Bingo, you would take any of the

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old money or $2 bills or interesting

looking things and put 'em aside.

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there was a bucket.

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You threw that shit in.

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and so mom had like, she was

just a collector of things.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: hmm.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: had gold coins,

she had, all those kinds of things.

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She and I, like one of the, one of

the things at my lowest point that I

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sold or that I spent, she and I worked

together through bingo and filled up

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one of those 50 US state quarter things.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Ooh,

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I

spent the, I spent the: 1250

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or whatever it was one time.

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'cause we were so broke, all my

state quarters that, that's one

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of the things I regret the most.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

isn't that funny?

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Yeah.

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My, my dad's a pack rat.

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I come by it honestly.

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man, I'm um, in this, this

program right now, right?

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This therapy program.

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And there are a lot of moments where

I'm just like, this is bleak and I

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know it's for the best, but like,

I'm really not having a good time.

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And then sometimes the most

hilarious shit happens.

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And what's crazy about it is we all

have to pretend like it didn't happen

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because it's, you know, like we're in

group together and and I don't know

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who these folks are 'cause I live

in the, the boonies of Minnesota.

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And so I had to go to one online.

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I've only been in it a few days now,

and I'm starting to realize like

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this is kind of a janky program that

this is temu intensive outpatient

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therapy nice people or whatever.

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But I'm just sort of like,

who made this resource?

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There's like, I, you can hire me as a

copy editor if you would like, but in

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group we do mindfulness every time.

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Have you ever done mindfulness?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: No.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

it can be guided meditation.

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I think that it's, it's probably

like this larger pedagogy of

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mental wellness or something.

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I don't know.

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I'm, I'm not, don't have a ton of

experience with it either, but it's like

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they play a video of guided meditation.

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It's somebody who talks to

you, they talk you through like

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progressive relaxation and stuff

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Oh, I've done

that a few times with, uh, on, on Spotify.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: it's

a grounding thing we do at the

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beginning of group therapy.

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but they don't make their own versions.

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They just load up a YouTube video of it.

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And I noticed it on the very

first day and I was like, okay,

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I mean, whatever, whatever works.

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But today it's all very serious, right?

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It's like 10 minutes sometimes

of like this person speaking,

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like, and now relax your eyebrows.

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and then, it talks about breathing

and stuff, but at the very end he

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goes, and now you notice that you

are fully present in your body.

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And don't forget to smash that

like button and hit subscribe.

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And all the cameras were off,

but I just picture her, like the

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facilitator over there smashing her

keyboard, like, shut the fuck off.

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I was so glad my camera was off, man.

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I needed, that was a

healing, healing belly laugh.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: hilarious.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I, know the

struggle I've been got before trying

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to cut corners using stuff from YouTube

as a facilitator and like, whoa, shit.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

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Not vetting the videos well enough.

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That, that's what I tell my students.

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For every video I show you,

I've watched five videos.

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and, and you cut court, sometimes

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you gotta skip through.

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I can't watch every 28 minute TED talk,

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

Course prep is enough already.

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And you remember you asked

me, what my, what my first Mass

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media event I remembered was.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

I have loved that question.

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So I've been asking people in

real life, if an as natural segue

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comes up, but, do you remember

the first rated R movie you saw?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Um,

there was this movie called

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Humongous from the eighties.

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It was, it was a b quality horror film.

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Uh, about, there was like some myster.

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They were all on an island and this

mysterious thing was killing them.

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my parents owned a video store, so I had

access to some very random things and they

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: laying

there one day and I popped it in

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and watched it, and I was horrified.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

What was so bad about it?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I don't,

so like the, or even, it might've

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been even earlier, the first time I

ever saw a nightmare on Elm Street,

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that movie freaked me out because

the, the first one he walks around

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going, Christine, and that was my

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mom's name.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: and the way the

sound design in that movie is so good.

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Like the, the very first nightmare

on Elm Street, they, they hadn't

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gone full camp yet, or they didn't

realize how campy they were, maybe.

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And so they were still really going

for that creep factor and everything

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they did to the sound design in that

was to make it sound or seem like

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you're trapped in a dream, right?

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It's, it's meant to evoke that

feeling of sleep paralysis.

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. beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: See, I've,

I've been ruined on horror movies.

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Um, my best friend for the

last 20 some years, has a son.

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And when I lived with them, he was,

uh, you know, middle elementary

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school, middle school age.

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And, he was really into horror,

like, and, and that I, I also took

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him to see the Laura Croft movie.

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It was me and like 47 other

lesbian ants in there with

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their nephews.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: People

talk about that being some misogynist

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thing and I'm like, yeah, I get

it, But Dikes loved that too.

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Leave us alone.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yes we did.

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But he took me to see Silent Hill and

that movie ruined me forever on horror.

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That one, it was just too much.

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There's a scene where the monster

reaches in and grabs the, the person

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by the chest and twists their skin off.

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And that was, I was like, I'm done,

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

Was that Pyramid Head?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I don't know.

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It's been a long time since I saw it.

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I also saw Wrong Turn in a theater

in West Virginia and had no

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idea what that movie was about.

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'cause they get lost in

West Virginia in that movie.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I love

that movie and I know that it's like

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problematic you know, inbred, killer

Rednecks in the Woods Hills have eyes.

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Toby Hooper type shit.

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but you can have by inbred,

redneck killers when you pry

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'em for my cold dead hands.

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I don't know why, but I'm just so,

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: you ever seen

that episode of Criminal Minds that's set

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in West Virginia where the baby, that's an

inbred baby that has been forgotten about

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and abandoned and he becomes a monster.

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It's pretty creepy.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: no.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: there's a, yeah.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I thought

I had seen every episode of Criminal

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Minds, although that is one of those,

like, that's one of those long haul

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things that went for seasons and seasons.

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I remember the episode of the X-Files

was the first time I saw that on tv.

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It was an episode called Home, I

think it was in the third season.

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and it was, I think aired with a content

warning, when they, syndicated the

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show later, they took that one out.

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They didn't air it anymore I

never Did you see Deliverance?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: No,

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I

hated that one for some reason.

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It's not I want, I want them to

be just straight up slashers and

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monsters and Deliverance is about.

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I don't know.

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It's just different.

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I never thought to try to articulate

the difference before, but I know that

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deliverance is about sexual violence

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: right.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: but

I think it's more than that.

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I there's something different about

less interesting to me and a little

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more like offensive about the way

deliverance constructs its threat.

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Then just the unworldly supernatural

version of Killer Rednecks that are

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in wrong turn or the Hills have eyes

and stuff, or Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: We,

I mean obviously we're not

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allowed to watch anything.

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I mean, even if we had had access to it,

we wouldn't have been allowed to watch it.

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But We had a VCR and mom, they

would get us Disney movies when they

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would come out every now and then.

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So the first movie we ever actually

bought was The Little Mermaid,

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Oh wow.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: And

we could rent things, but they

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controlled that pretty rigidly.

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But things would come on.

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network television sometimes

like heavily edited for tv.

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So like a lot of the, the rated R

movies I saw they had that thing

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where like, if somebody said a

cuss word, they would dub it over.

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It would be somebody else's

voice from another part of

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the house saying like, dang.

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But my dad would record them

off of the TV with his VCR.

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so one of my favorite movies of all

time, and I don't know if it's rated R,

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is Alien, the first alien movie from 79.

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I grew up watching this movie constantly,

but it was the edited for TV version.

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Dad had recorded it off a TV

the way he recorded it, he

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accidentally recorded it on.

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You can adjust the quality so

that the tape holds more time.

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He recorded it on the wrong

one and ran outta time.

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And so the tape cuts off.

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This's a spoiler alert for,

for how this movie ends.

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If you haven't seen 1970 nine's

alien, you're dead to me I'm

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about to spoil the ending right

before she blows this thing out.

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The airlock, it just fades to, so I ne

I grew up watching this movie regularly

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on a loop and never once saw the ending,

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Oh

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wow.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Every time

we would watch it, we would get to

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that moment it was right when she

was climbing into the spacesuit,

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getting ready to, fight this alien

and blow it out the white screen.

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And our dad would go and she

blows it out, the airlock.

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and now every time I see that movie, I, I

hear him going and then she blows it out.

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The airlock,

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my experience of that movie or any

of those movies that were recorded

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off a tv, like all the Indiana

Jones movies were recorded off

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a tv, our copies of Star Wars.

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So I probably saw, rated our movies

just with the cuss words cut out, which

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doesn't really change the content.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah,

the, the rated, the rating

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system mom didn't really care.

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We were allowed to watch whatever,

but my mom was the kind that I, there

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was a soap opera called Santa, uh,

Santa Barbara that was going off the

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air and I was in middle school or

maybe late elementary school for me.

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And my sister was in high school and

she let my sister have like four friends

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over, and we all stayed home from school

that day and ordered pizza and watched

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the last episode of this soap opera.

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that's the

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: you talking

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: mom did.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: once

in a lifetime opportunity?

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

Yeah, I never forgot it though.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I had a

friend, the only friend I had the

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whole time I was at Angelico, this

just like random angel who didn't care

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that I was weird or creepy or whatever.

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It was.

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All the other kids that tortured me.

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Saw in me, she didn't give a fuck.

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And she was this just perfectly, I'm

not gonna say normal, because nobody

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was normal A but a popular girl,

conventionally, attractive straight girl.

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and she was my best friend and I don't

know what I did to earn that, but was

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the difference for me between feeling

like I could continue with life and just

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coming up with a way to escape, so often.

302

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And so I would stay

over at her house a lot.

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and her mom had this big TV room.

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this was, this would've been the

late, late eighties, early nineties.

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It was one of those like floor

to ceiling projection TV things

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

Yeah, we had one of those.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: the foot deep

speaker and woofer in the bottom of it.

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It was incredible.

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And then on the walls, the walls

of this room were shelves and the

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shelves were filled with every kind

of movie that you could think of.

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: You're like

literally describing my dad's room.

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My dad's man cave.

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dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I had so many

incredible experiences in that room,

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just staying the night over at her house.

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: 00:13:02

like, we would stay in her

room until her mom went to bed.

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: 00:13:05

and then we would go down the hallway.

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We were allowed to do, it wasn't

spoken about, but her mom knew

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we were doing this, right.

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This was a small house, and we would

go down the hallway and we would put

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: 00:13:14

our Totino's pizzas into the oven.

321

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Then go and pick out some crazy ass movie

to watch that night and then stay up

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until like 2:00 AM eating garbage food

and, and watching stuff that I just, I

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knew that I was born lucky to be able

to, to have this in a life like the

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one I was living, to have this kind of

escape, this kind of place to just be.

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And she just didn't care

about how weird I was.

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She loved that.

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It was smart and funny.

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and so the first one I remember we

picked this movie called The First

329

: 00:13:43

Power and I showed it to Eric and

Sabrina when we were living in, when

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I was still living in Bowling Green

because I was like, you guys gotta see

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this movie ' cause it is fucking crazy.

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: 00:13:51

It's this Lou Diamond Phillips.

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: 00:13:53

I am not gonna say B movie 'cause I

don't really know what the great, what

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: 00:13:56

you, what even that is in, in the realm

of this kind of supernatural devil

335

: 00:14:00

worship cult and the first power is

the power of resurrection or something.

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: 00:14:04

But it is so like campy and ridiculous.

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: 00:14:07

And I just remember like my world

became like 10 times larger that night.

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people will get a little like

Pearl Clutchy and hand ringy

339

: 00:14:14

about kids watching stuff and

what people should be able to see.

340

: 00:14:18

That is almost certainly my parents'

nightmare if they had found out like

341

: 00:14:21

that's, that's the day they dreaded

of me watching something like that.

342

: 00:14:25

But it didn't make me wanna go

out and worship the devil it just

343

: 00:14:27

I have no idea what, what does

watching a shitty movie do to us?

344

: 00:14:30

Like what does it show us?

345

: 00:14:31

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

that's a good question.

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I don't know.

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: 00:14:33

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

Listeners tell us in the comments.

348

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beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

That's what reading did for me.

349

: 00:14:38

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: yeah,

350

: 00:14:38

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: But I, I read a

lot of Sweet Valley High and Christopher

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Pike novels and a lot of trash reading.

352

: 00:14:44

but it, I mean, it, it feeds your

brain just like everything else.

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: 00:14:47

You know what I mean?

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: 00:14:48

why I'm good at writing papers and.

355

: 00:14:49

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Vanessa

read those babysitter clubs.

356

: 00:14:51

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah, I

357

: 00:14:52

never got into that one.

358

: 00:14:53

My sister had a, a collection of

Sweet Valley High, and that's how I

359

: 00:14:56

started getting my hands on those.

360

: 00:14:57

and then you could buy, it used to

be that they would have 'em right

361

: 00:14:59

by the register at Kroger and you

could buy like Christopher Pike novel

362

: 00:15:03

right there as you were checking out.

363

: 00:15:05

and I, I went through those.

364

: 00:15:06

I would read one a night, like it'd be

365

: 00:15:08

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Hmm.

366

: 00:15:08

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: pages

and I'd read it that night.

367

: 00:15:10

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I read

whatever my mom got from the library,

368

: 00:15:12

so she was constantly reading and

she loved reading horror novels.

369

: 00:15:16

So she read a lot of Dean Kuns and

Stephen King and um, what's his name?

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: 00:15:21

Clive Barker.

371

: 00:15:22

Cleve Barker.

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: 00:15:23

I think it's pronounced that.

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: 00:15:24

that's how I remember the first

reading I did was actually some

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: 00:15:27

pretty fucked up Cleve Barker stuff.

375

: 00:15:30

This is the guy who made,

hell raiser and stuff.

376

: 00:15:32

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Gotcha.

377

: 00:15:33

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: but I guess

they weren't worried about that.

378

: 00:15:34

Maybe they didn't realize I could read it.

379

: 00:15:36

I would go through and find the sex

parts and, read it to the other kids.

380

: 00:15:41

Maybe that's what the

conservatives are afraid of,

381

: 00:15:44

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

382

: 00:15:44

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: that

we're all gonna sit around and

383

: 00:15:45

read Dean Coontz to each other.

384

: 00:15:54

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: My

385

: 00:15:54

first Stephen King book was

when I was like four, uh, 14.

386

: 00:15:57

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: what was it?

387

: 00:15:57

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I wanna say

the Dark Knight, but I don't think that's

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: 00:16:00

the right, it was the Dark something.

389

: 00:16:02

he was a writer and he was obsessed

with a certain kind of pencil

390

: 00:16:05

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: The dark half?

391

: 00:16:06

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yes.

392

: 00:16:07

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah,

393

: 00:16:08

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I read

that when my niece was being born.

394

: 00:16:10

So I know exactly how old I was.

395

: 00:16:11

I was 14.

396

: 00:16:12

that was my first Stephen King.

397

: 00:16:14

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: they

made a movie outta that one,

398

: 00:16:16

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: it.

399

: 00:16:16

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: It's hysterical.

400

: 00:16:17

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Is

401

: 00:16:18

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: well, my

memory is sort of, uh, tainted by

402

: 00:16:21

what we were doing when we watched it.

403

: 00:16:23

uh, it was there in Bowling Green and,

Andy had come over and me and, I think

404

: 00:16:27

Sabrina and Eric and Andy were in my

apartment, hanging out with trees.

405

: 00:16:31

the particular trees that Andy had

brought over were a kind that none

406

: 00:16:35

of us had hung out with before,

it really, really did us in.

407

: 00:16:38

so there was like maybe 10 minutes

into this movie, we all realized

408

: 00:16:42

that we were just no longer on the

same plane of existence as the movie.

409

: 00:16:46

So I remember it being the most fun I've

had, watching Terrible Stephen King movie,

410

: 00:16:51

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Have

you ever watched the Stand, the,

411

: 00:16:53

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: oh yeah,

412

: 00:16:54

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

I, watched that recently.

413

: 00:16:55

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: the first one.

414

: 00:16:56

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: The,

the one that just came out

415

: 00:16:57

like a couple of years ago.

416

: 00:17:00

Goldberg in it.

417

: 00:17:00

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: yeah,

I watched the first episode of

418

: 00:17:02

that and I couldn't get into it.

419

: 00:17:04

It's good.

420

: 00:17:05

But, There already was a miniseries of

the stand and it is campy and terrible.

421

: 00:17:10

This was in the nineties.

422

: 00:17:11

And his stars, like Molly

Ringwald, Gary Sinise.

423

: 00:17:15

Yeah.

424

: 00:17:15

some other famous people,

It's ridiculous and campy.

425

: 00:17:18

It's pretty bad.

426

: 00:17:19

and I had recently read that book,

let me Google when this came out

427

: 00:17:22

so that I can paint a picture

of what mental state I was in

428

: 00:17:26

1994.

429

: 00:17:27

So I was,

430

: 00:17:29

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I was 16.

431

: 00:17:30

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

I was 12 when this aired.

432

: 00:17:31

I had already read the book several times.

433

: 00:17:33

It's one of my favorite

Stephen King books.

434

: 00:17:35

And so I was very

excited for this to come.

435

: 00:17:37

Oh, Rob Lowe, Rob Lowe plays

Nick Andros in this Laura

436

: 00:17:40

Sangiacomo plays Nadian Cross.

437

: 00:17:43

had Ossie Davis in it.

438

: 00:17:44

Miguel Ferrer.

439

: 00:17:45

Matt Frewer played trash can man.

440

: 00:17:47

Kathy Bates is in it.

441

: 00:17:48

ed Harris this was a, you

know, the nineties cast.

442

: 00:17:52

so I, was already a big fan of that.

443

: 00:17:54

And when this, was it 2016?

444

: 00:17:56

This came out, this other miniseries,

445

: 00:17:59

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I think so.

446

: 00:17:59

Some around there.

447

: 00:18:00

Yeah.

448

: 00:18:00

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: it was

all like polished and respectable

449

: 00:18:04

and it, it was almost like good.

450

: 00:18:06

And I wasn't interested in that.

451

: 00:18:07

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

452

: 00:18:08

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

good, I'll read the book.

453

: 00:18:10

maybe I should give it

a chance and finish it.

454

: 00:18:11

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

It was pretty good.

455

: 00:18:12

I mean, it, I mean, it was okay.

456

: 00:18:13

I enjoyed it.

457

: 00:18:14

Shana doesn't like into

the world kind of stuff.

458

: 00:18:16

It, bothers her.

459

: 00:18:17

so that's one of those I watched on my own

460

: 00:18:19

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Hmm.

461

: 00:18:19

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: binged it.

462

: 00:18:20

So.

463

: 00:18:21

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I

fucking love the apocalypse.

464

: 00:18:23

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

Have you ever watched Jericho?

465

: 00:18:24

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: huh?

466

: 00:18:25

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: It's a TV

show that, um, there's a series of

467

: 00:18:27

bombs that goes off, uh, like nuclear

bombs that go off across the country.

468

: 00:18:30

and, and the aftermath Uh,

it's, it's pretty good.

469

: 00:18:33

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Skeet Ulrich.

470

: 00:18:34

Are you kidding?

471

: 00:18:35

Wow.

472

: 00:18:36

All right, sign me up.

473

: 00:18:37

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Jake.

474

: 00:18:38

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I recently

started watching, station 11.

475

: 00:18:42

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Station

476

: 00:18:42

19.

477

: 00:18:43

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: no,

I don't know what that is.

478

: 00:18:44

This one is a TV show about a, plague,

a flu or something that kills everybody.

479

: 00:18:49

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: gotcha.

480

: 00:18:50

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: and.

481

: 00:18:50

It's interesting because the

survivors that we follow are

482

: 00:18:54

like Shakespearean actors.

483

: 00:18:56

Like these people survive the apocalypse

and create an acting troupe, which

484

: 00:19:00

I'm just like, I'm living for.

485

: 00:19:02

Right?

486

: 00:19:02

That is just so fucking queer.

487

: 00:19:04

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Uh, station

19 is about a firehouse and it's

488

: 00:19:07

the gayest TV show I've ever seen,

489

: 00:19:09

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: whoa.

490

: 00:19:10

Hey listeners, I hope you're making lists

491

: 00:19:11

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: It's in the

492

: 00:19:12

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: 19.

493

: 00:19:12

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: of like

Grey's Anatomy kind of drama.

494

: 00:19:14

but it's literally the gayest.

495

: 00:19:16

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Hmm.

496

: 00:19:16

Haven't heard of it.

497

: 00:19:17

Don't know any of these people.

498

: 00:19:18

Oh, it's on Hulu.

499

: 00:19:20

We gotta cancel now.

500

: 00:19:21

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

501

: 00:19:22

over the Jimmy, Kimmel thing.

502

: 00:19:24

I watch his monologue

like every, every morning.

503

: 00:19:26

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

yeah, that's sad.

504

: 00:19:28

It's, I mean, he'll be fine, whatever,

you know, we don't need to be

505

: 00:19:31

like crying over, Jimmy Fallon or

whatever his name is, Jimmy Kimmel.

506

: 00:19:34

But it's not a good sign.

507

: 00:19:37

the dominoes of, media and information

and our rights to say and know

508

: 00:19:42

the truth, just keep falling.

509

: 00:19:44

And I keep going like, what

the fuck does that leave?

510

: 00:19:47

Does that leave us?

511

: 00:19:48

Does that leave podcasts?

512

: 00:19:50

Like, who is untouchable besides us?

513

: 00:19:53

Well, I took all of this uninteresting

and used things off of the wheel, what

514

: 00:19:57

have you, so we're down to four things.

515

: 00:19:59

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Oh wow.

516

: 00:19:59

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Oh nope, sorry.

517

: 00:20:00

Three things.

518

: 00:20:01

So listeners, we will, put some

more things on here, but we are,

519

: 00:20:05

in need of your recommendations

for wheel of what have you.

520

: 00:20:09

you can tell us about it on Facebook.

521

: 00:20:11

You can comment on Spotify or YouTube

using the, the comments on the episode

522

: 00:20:16

feature or you can send us an email.

523

: 00:20:20

So I'm gonna spin this

and see what it gives us.

524

: 00:20:25

Well we were kind of already

headed on this topic.

525

: 00:20:28

we have landed on queer representation.

526

: 00:20:30

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

Queer representation.

527

: 00:20:31

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah, this all,

anytime I do this, I always want to try

528

: 00:20:35

to think back to what the first I saw was

like the first gay or lesbian or trans

529

: 00:20:40

or bi person I saw on TV or in a movie

530

: 00:20:43

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: yeah, I think

I've already told this story, but I was

531

: 00:20:45

watching a news magazine, like 2020 or

something like that, and they were doing

532

: 00:20:49

a story about, um, a lesbian and I didn't

know what that was, but then she put on

533

: 00:20:53

lipstick and she kissed her partner and

you was like, here's lipstick for you.

534

: 00:20:57

And I

535

: 00:20:57

was floored.

536

: 00:20:59

I had no idea, no idea.

537

: 00:21:01

And I was very interested in it,

538

: 00:21:04

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: So like

literally on the news you saw,

539

: 00:21:06

I think I also told a story of how

I, a family friend suggested I rent

540

: 00:21:11

the Wachowskis' bound and watch it,

and he neglected to tell me that I

541

: 00:21:14

should not watch it with my parents.

542

: 00:21:16

I don't know if that was my first,

like seeing a queer person on tv.

543

: 00:21:20

You know what?

544

: 00:21:21

I watched, a lot of Star Trek, and this

may not be the first one, but Star Trek,

545

: 00:21:26

deep Space Nine had a . lesbian kiss,

546

: 00:21:29

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: That

went back at least to like the

547

: 00:21:30

Roseanne days when she kissed.

548

: 00:21:32

Um.

549

: 00:21:32

Who did Rose?

550

: 00:21:33

She's famous.

551

: 00:21:35

Hemingway, Muriel

Hemingway who she kissed.

552

: 00:21:38

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

let me Google it and see,

553

: 00:21:39

not that I haven't Googled this before.

554

: 00:21:40

so they'll credit it, if you Google

this, it'll say like, the first lesbian

555

: 00:21:44

kiss is on an episode, of LA Law.

556

: 00:21:47

there's one on 21 Jump Street.

557

: 00:21:49

people have a hard time pinning down what

this actually goes to because there are

558

: 00:21:53

different ways to qualify what this is.

559

: 00:21:55

So like daytime television

didn't happen until: 2003

560

: 00:21:58

is funny because everybody says

daytime TV is the trashiest,

561

: 00:22:02

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

562

: 00:22:02

When was the LA law?

563

: 00:22:03

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: uh, 91.

564

: 00:22:04

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I wonder

when the first male kiss was.

565

: 00:22:06

Much later, I'm sure.

566

: 00:22:08

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: so, so this one

is qualified with the first passionate

567

: 00:22:11

male gay kiss because so many of them

have happened or played, they're played

568

: 00:22:15

for laughs, is on Dawson's Creek,

569

: 00:22:17

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Oh wow.

570

: 00:22:18

So that was the nineties.

571

: 00:22:19

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: 2000.

572

: 00:22:20

But I, I didn't watch Dawson's Creek

Real World had a lot of queerness on it.

573

: 00:22:25

I, remember seeing, there was an episode

or a season of the Real World early

574

: 00:22:30

on that had a lesbian named Genesis

on it, and she got kind of a famous

575

: 00:22:34

like, talk show round out of that.

576

: 00:22:37

That was the first time I

learned about, gay culture.

577

: 00:22:40

Like that there were places

gay people hung out together.

578

: 00:22:44

I learned about the rainbow flag from

that hadn't occurred to me what a

579

: 00:22:47

lonely experience being a queer person

was going to be the rest of my life.

580

: 00:22:51

. And I, this to me was just like

crashing revelation after revelation.

581

: 00:22:55

I was like, oh my God.

582

: 00:22:56

they're, they know each other

and they hang out with each other

583

: 00:22:59

and like have shared culture.

584

: 00:23:02

I don't know if I yet considered

myself as someone who would one

585

: 00:23:06

day have or want access to that.

586

: 00:23:08

I mean, I always knew I was queer, but

being in Appalachia, you don't think

587

: 00:23:12

of yourself as ever being invited

into majority spaces in general.

588

: 00:23:16

It's not the queerness that

precluded me from that.

589

: 00:23:19

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I also

remember, um, when I was about 14, or

590

: 00:23:22

I was definitely 14, um, because around

again was when my niece was born.

591

: 00:23:26

My sister was living in this apartment

in this particular neighborhood,

592

: 00:23:29

and her upstairs neighbors were

two gay guys named Tom and Tom.

593

: 00:23:33

And one of them was a drag queen.

594

: 00:23:34

And when they were moving out, came

these racks of just gowns and sequins.

595

: 00:23:40

And I was like, like,

my eyes were just wide.

596

: 00:23:43

I was like, what?

597

: 00:23:44

What?

598

: 00:23:45

Because that was the first

time I had considered men

599

: 00:23:47

of wearing women's clothing.

600

: 00:23:48

You know what I mean?

601

: 00:23:49

but I, I thought it was so cool.

602

: 00:23:50

Even back then,

603

: 00:23:51

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Do you remember

the, or did you ever see the episode

604

: 00:23:54

of All, all In the Family with the they

used the word transvestite, I think

605

: 00:23:59

cause this was the seventies, so that

would've been the appropriate term.

606

: 00:24:02

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

607

: 00:24:02

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: all in the

family is, it needs to be studied

608

: 00:24:05

and it has been studied, but it

needs to be like revisited, right?

609

: 00:24:07

We need to be talking about all in the

family and like the work it was doing

610

: 00:24:11

in a popular culture milieu along equity

and, acceptance and things like that.

611

: 00:24:18

Because the way that show did it,

it made it, it was funny, but it was

612

: 00:24:21

like not letting anybody off the hook.

613

: 00:24:23

Archie Bunker is this caricature

of a bigoted white American man.

614

: 00:24:27

he says ridiculous things all the time.

615

: 00:24:30

Norman Lear would use Archie Bunker to say

the truth of how American society views

616

: 00:24:36

blackness or queerness or, immigrants

he would say all of the things that.

617

: 00:24:41

proper white people knew

better than to say out loud.

618

: 00:24:44

They, it.

619

: 00:24:44

Archie was saying the

quiet parts out loud.

620

: 00:24:46

And so there's a, an episode where

he meets a drag queen who I think

621

: 00:24:51

maybe has suffered a medical event

I forget how this comes about, but

622

: 00:24:53

he has to give her mouth to mouth.

623

: 00:24:55

He has to give her CPR and then

hilarity ensues when he realizes

624

: 00:24:59

that he has locked lips with a man.

625

: 00:25:02

And so, the episode plays with gay

panic, He goes on, for him it's all

626

: 00:25:06

about what does this say about me?

627

: 00:25:07

And, did anybody see it?

628

: 00:25:09

And am I gay now?

629

: 00:25:10

Or whatever.

630

: 00:25:16

But this fucking episode, man,

uh, he gets gay bashed and

631

: 00:25:19

murdered in the neighborhood.

632

: 00:25:21

This drag queen does.

633

: 00:25:22

And the ending is Edith, who, curses

God and renounces her religion

634

: 00:25:29

because she won't, keep faith with

a God that sets things up this way.

635

: 00:25:34

uh, Designing women and the golden

girls all had really specific and,

636

: 00:25:39

plain spoken, messaging around this.

637

: 00:25:42

But it was all swept away,

rolled back or whatever by the

638

: 00:25:46

rhetoric regarding HIV aids.

639

: 00:25:49

The second half of the eighties and

into the nineties were dominated

640

: 00:25:52

by scapegoating homophobia.

641

: 00:25:54

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Mm-hmm.

642

: 00:25:54

And Bea Arthur When she died, uh,

Dorothy from the Golden Girls when

643

: 00:25:58

she died, she left a small fortune,

to a charity group that has a, a

644

: 00:26:02

homeless shelter for L-G-B-T-Q, youth,

645

: 00:26:05

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Mm-hmm.

646

: 00:26:06

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

really interesting.

647

: 00:26:06

She was an ally to the end.

648

: 00:26:08

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: and I always

say this like film and television,

649

: 00:26:10

they're the mythology of our time.

650

: 00:26:11

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

651

: 00:26:12

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: and that's

neither, you know, I don't, I don't

652

: 00:26:13

care if you think that's good or bad.

653

: 00:26:15

That's not the point.

654

: 00:26:17

We can't simply opt out of the fact that

that's where our information comes from.

655

: 00:26:20

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

656

: 00:26:21

For a lot of people it really does.

657

: 00:26:22

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

658

: 00:26:22

The, a lot of people were raised by the

television, especially where we're from.

659

: 00:26:25

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah, for sure.

660

: 00:26:27

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: It was that,

or some like cracked out babysitter

661

: 00:26:29

that was gonna leave you in the

car while they went to score drugs.

662

: 00:26:33

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: my mom

was a big gambler and, uh, she would

663

: 00:26:35

take us like me because my brother

was living with my dad, and my

664

: 00:26:38

sister was already out of the house.

665

: 00:26:39

there was a gas station called

The Plateau in, Waverly, Ohio.

666

: 00:26:43

They had a couple of video poker

machines and she would sit there

667

: 00:26:47

and play and play and play.

668

: 00:26:49

And I would sit out in the car and

read or, and I would just wander in

669

: 00:26:52

every once in a while and ask for a

cheeseburger and then wander back out.

670

: 00:26:54

And I, I think about that a lot,

about how dangerous it was me

671

: 00:26:58

sitting in like a truck stop

672

: 00:27:00

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Mm-hmm.

673

: 00:27:01

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: in the eighties

when there was not a lot of car security.

674

: 00:27:04

There were definitely

no car alarms, you know?

675

: 00:27:06

I was just very vulnerable

out there in that parking lot.

676

: 00:27:09

I think about addictions and

the way that they make people do

677

: 00:27:12

things they wouldn't normally do.

678

: 00:27:13

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

679

: 00:27:14

there's so many things I would take back.

680

: 00:27:15

that's the thing is like plenty of

people have regrets, but something about

681

: 00:27:18

addiction makes you, we assign a stigma

to it that doesn't give that person

682

: 00:27:23

a lot of breathing room for examining

what happened to them in that situation.

683

: 00:27:28

the way we talk about recovery and stuff.

684

: 00:27:30

We put all of this like,

they have to make amends.

685

: 00:27:32

They have to go around and bother

everybody in their life and bring it all

686

: 00:27:35

up again and say, I need to apologize

to you for something I did 30 years ago.

687

: 00:27:38

neither of us is gonna get

anything out of it, but I have

688

: 00:27:40

to check this off a fucking list.

689

: 00:27:42

I don't dunno how we got there

from gay representation on TV

690

: 00:27:44

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: We wander.

691

: 00:27:46

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: one day.

692

: 00:27:47

I don't know.

693

: 00:27:48

I don't think this would be good for us.

694

: 00:27:49

One day we're gonna like actually

prepare before an episode and then

695

: 00:27:52

it's just gonna be boring as fuck.

696

: 00:27:56

We could read the news.

697

: 00:27:57

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Sounds like fun.

698

: 00:27:58

Not,

699

: 00:27:59

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Did anybody, in

school, anybody talk about queer people?

700

: 00:28:03

Like in an educational context?

701

: 00:28:04

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: no, I went

to school in the nineties and you just

702

: 00:28:07

did not talk about people being queer.

703

: 00:28:09

It was just not a subject that

came up back then, unless you

704

: 00:28:12

were calling him a fag, you know?

705

: 00:28:15

when I got to college, I took a

social deviance class in sociology

706

: 00:28:19

and, the professor was great.

707

: 00:28:21

and we had class twice a week and she

would bring in like opposing viewpoints

708

: 00:28:24

on different topics, when it was

abortion, she brought in somebody that

709

: 00:28:27

was pro-life and somebody that was

pro-choice, and they both spoke to us

710

: 00:28:30

and gave their sides of the, the story.

711

: 00:28:32

And

712

: 00:28:32

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Hmm

713

: 00:28:32

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: had a, a, I

don't know if it was a trans woman or a

714

: 00:28:35

drag queen or how they identified, because

that language wasn't really out there yet.

715

: 00:28:39

but she came in and talked to us about

being queer and living as a woman.

716

: 00:28:43

And um, I found that fascinating.

717

: 00:28:46

That was

718

: 00:28:46

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Wow.

719

: 00:28:46

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: time I had

been exposed to that, and that would've

720

: 00:28:48

been my freshman year before I came out.

721

: 00:28:50

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I didn't learn

about trans people until I, I was 26, I

722

: 00:28:55

think, and saw a documentary from the uk.

723

: 00:28:59

About a trans man, and I was

like, oh my God, it's possible.

724

: 00:29:04

when I started transitioning

10 years later.

725

: 00:29:05

And

726

: 00:29:05

that was a long 10 years finding

out something's possible and then

727

: 00:29:09

going like, well, not for me though.

728

: 00:29:11

It's kind of like it's easy to

give somebody else good advice,

729

: 00:29:14

but it's hard to take it.

730

: 00:29:15

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

731

: 00:29:15

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: So I

don't know if learning about it any

732

: 00:29:17

earlier would've helped me or not.

733

: 00:29:19

Probably just been, wouldn't

been longer that I had to wait.

734

: 00:29:21

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I think

you have to be ready for it.

735

: 00:29:22

You know what I mean?

736

: 00:29:23

it's like when, when I went to college

the first time, I failed out completely.

737

: 00:29:26

I just didn't go to class ever

except the social deviance class.

738

: 00:29:30

I failed that.

739

: 00:29:30

Fascinating.

740

: 00:29:31

So I went to that.

741

: 00:29:32

I just never went to class.

742

: 00:29:33

And you know, my friends are still shocked

that I'm a professor now, but I wasn't

743

: 00:29:37

ready for school the first time I went.

744

: 00:29:38

I was ready the second time.

745

: 00:29:40

And I just think there's some things in

life you just have to be prepared for.

746

: 00:29:44

and sometimes that's not as, you're not

as ready as quickly as you think you are.

747

: 00:29:53

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Oh, college is,

so, that's such a specific skillset and it

748

: 00:29:57

comes naturally to nobody and the people

of our generation, who would've been given

749

: 00:30:02

the skills to do it, or the knowledge

they weren't coming from our tax bracket

750

: 00:30:05

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

751

: 00:30:06

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

from our location.

752

: 00:30:07

So the fact that we did it

at all is pretty baller.

753

: 00:30:09

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah, my

parents didn't even graduate from high

754

: 00:30:11

school either did my sister or brother.

755

: 00:30:13

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: We, I

think we don't realize that childhood

756

: 00:30:16

is a really recent invention.

757

: 00:30:18

our generation's parents had the

first childhood in America before

758

: 00:30:22

that, it was outta sight, outta mind

until you're old enough to work.

759

: 00:30:27

Whatever happened to you didn't

matter, You could be abused, starved.

760

: 00:30:30

You could be killed, if you died,

then it was just God's will.

761

: 00:30:34

There was no, thought given to curating

a life or experiences or opportunities or

762

: 00:30:40

developmental, you know, things for kids.

763

: 00:30:42

Until very recently.

764

: 00:30:44

And the fact that we survived that people

are out here, even growing into well

765

: 00:30:50

adjusted happy, good people is kind of a

miracle we're, we are still so terrible

766

: 00:30:56

at taking care of ourselves and each other

in the most formative parts of our lives.

767

: 00:31:01

So it's not shocking that America's

as fucked up as it is right now.

768

: 00:31:04

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah, for sure.

769

: 00:31:06

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Got

a bunch of fucking babies out

770

: 00:31:07

here trying to run the country.

771

: 00:31:09

Oh, maybe it's time for this

week's sponsor, which I have

772

: 00:31:13

already forgotten what it is

'cause it's been a long, weird day.

773

: 00:31:17

Oh, okay.

774

: 00:31:18

So this week's episode of Queernecks

is brought to you by Roosters.

775

: 00:31:22

Nature's alarm clock, except you

can't hit snooze and they don't

776

: 00:31:25

actually know what time it is.

777

: 00:31:27

You'll wake up at 3:00 AM 5:00 AM

anytime you're trying to sleep.

778

: 00:31:30

Barnyard, divas.

779

: 00:31:31

They strut around like they own the place.

780

: 00:31:33

Chest puffed out.

781

: 00:31:34

Feathers shining like sequins,

screaming about nothing.

782

: 00:31:37

You need a bird that will

fight its own reflection.

783

: 00:31:39

Chase your grandma's laundry off the

line and keep the whole holler talking.

784

: 00:31:42

Get yourself a rooster.

785

: 00:31:43

They don't lay eggs.

786

: 00:31:44

They don't pay rent, but

honey, they bring drama.

787

: 00:31:47

The rooster's rockabilly drag

king swagger is legendary.

788

: 00:31:51

That red comb, pompadour looks

sculpted with axle grease.

789

: 00:31:54

Strutting like Elvis could never,

They hit that fence post every morning

790

: 00:31:57

like it's a stage in Memphis side

eyeing the hens like backup dancers.

791

: 00:32:02

And for every queer kid growing up

in the sticks, that rooster strutting

792

: 00:32:04

across the yard was the first loud and

unapologetic camp performance we ever saw.

793

: 00:32:09

So next time you hear, that ungodly

screech slicing through the misty

794

: 00:32:12

morning air, remember, it's not just

rural timekeeping, that's performance.

795

: 00:32:16

And the next time that rooster wakes

you up at 3:00 AM don't get mad.

796

: 00:32:19

Tip your hat.

797

: 00:32:20

You just got a front row seat to

the drag show of your dreams that

798

: 00:32:23

you didn't even know you bought

tickets for this week's episode.

799

: 00:32:26

Sponsored by roosters.

800

: 00:32:28

You say Rooster?

801

: 00:32:29

Or Rooster?

802

: 00:32:30

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Rooster,

803

: 00:32:30

my grandparents kept chickens.

804

: 00:32:32

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Oh, really?

805

: 00:32:32

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: once in a

while you'd come up the hill and one

806

: 00:32:34

would like cross right in front of you.

807

: 00:32:35

One would get out or whatever.

808

: 00:32:37

Uh, so you'd have wild

chickens running around.

809

: 00:32:39

happened more than once.

810

: 00:32:40

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I like

when they like, they'll stop and

811

: 00:32:42

look at you and like, stomp a foot.

812

: 00:32:44

You know?

813

: 00:32:44

And you're like, what's gonna happen next?

814

: 00:32:47

Am I gonna be attacked by a tiny dinosaur?

815

: 00:32:50

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

They have attitudes for sure.

816

: 00:32:53

Have you ever seen a Polish chicken?

817

: 00:32:54

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: No.

818

: 00:32:55

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Google it.

819

: 00:32:56

Right now

820

: 00:32:57

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Okay.

821

: 00:32:57

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

David Bowie of Chickens.

822

: 00:32:59

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Oh my, this is,

823

: 00:33:03

it's more than just

this incredible hairdo.

824

: 00:33:06

It's the, the color

variation in the feathers.

825

: 00:33:09

This is amazing.

826

: 00:33:11

And it, it's somewhere

between, hungover and stylish.

827

: 00:33:16

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah, I'll

feature them in the newsletter this

828

: 00:33:18

week so our reader, our listeners can,

see a polish chicken in all its glory.

829

: 00:33:22

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: There

were chickens at, that farm that

830

: 00:33:24

we spent a lot of time at, but I

didn't, I don't know shit about 'em.

831

: 00:33:28

You know, I'm not a farm kid.

832

: 00:33:29

Like we spent a lot of time

around and stuff, but I

833

: 00:33:32

didn't know anything about it.

834

: 00:33:33

I just did what I was told.

835

: 00:33:35

. beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: You wanna

do our noun of Appalachian interest?

836

: 00:33:37

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Why.

837

: 00:33:37

Yes.

838

: 00:33:38

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: All right.

839

: 00:33:38

This week's noun of Appalachian

interest is the beloved Mountain Dew.

840

: 00:33:42

Mountain Dew isn't just a

beverage, it's liquid Appalachia.

841

: 00:33:45

It's the nectar of the hills.

842

: 00:33:48

The original formula was invented

right here in the mountains by

843

: 00:33:50

two guys who were just trying to

make their whiskey taste better.

844

: 00:33:53

And honestly, it worked.

845

: 00:33:55

Somewhere along the way, somebody

said, Hey, what if we drank

846

: 00:33:58

this without the moonshine?

847

: 00:33:59

And the rest is dental history.

848

: 00:34:01

The stuff is so woven into the

culture that in certain gas stations,

849

: 00:34:04

the Pepsi machine only has two

buttons, mountain Dew and other.

850

: 00:34:08

It's the drink that you have at breakfast,

lunch, dinner, and if you're doing it

851

: 00:34:12

right while leaning on the tailgate of a

pickup in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot.

852

: 00:34:15

Mountain Dew has been powering Appalachian

life for generations, helping folks

853

: 00:34:19

shingle roofs, build fences and stay

awake long enough to fry an entire

854

: 00:34:23

deer in the middle of the night.

855

: 00:34:25

There's no wrong time

for Dew Baby shower Dew.

856

: 00:34:27

Funeral Dew got baptized in the

river this morning while you'll

857

: 00:34:31

be dew in the dew by supper.

858

: 00:34:33

got more sugar than a county fair

funnel cake and more caffeine

859

: 00:34:36

than your grandma's gossip.

860

: 00:34:37

And it will make you believe that you

can jump the creek in your four wheeler.

861

: 00:34:40

You probably can't, but Mountain

Dew will convince you otherwise.

862

: 00:34:43

In short, it's not just to drink, it's the

unofficial fuel of the Appalachian spirit.

863

: 00:34:47

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I had no

idea it was actually from Appalachia.

864

: 00:34:50

I knew that it was the lifeblood

that it ran through our veins,

865

: 00:34:54

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Have you

ever heard of mountain Dew Mouth?

866

: 00:34:56

It's something that happens a lot

in Appalachia where people put

867

: 00:34:59

like Mountain Dew in their baby

868

: 00:35:00

bottles and you get bad teeth.

869

: 00:35:02

It's a total thing.

870

: 00:35:03

You can Google Mountain

Dew mouth and it's sad.

871

: 00:35:05

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

872

: 00:35:06

I remember one night.

873

: 00:35:08

that I, I drank two Mountain Dews.

874

: 00:35:10

This, I was like 18 and I had just gone to

college and I drank two Mountain Dews in

875

: 00:35:14

a row pretty quickly while I was watching

South Park with some friends or something.

876

: 00:35:19

And, um, I got back to my room and

laid down and tried to go to sleep.

877

: 00:35:22

And I was like, what is wrong with me?

878

: 00:35:23

And my heart was like,

879

: 00:35:27

and I was like, I have to go

run a marathon or something

880

: 00:35:31

when it was happening to me.

881

: 00:35:32

And I have not done that since.

882

: 00:35:33

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I was

a mountain dude junkie and then

883

: 00:35:35

I quit about 15 years ago now.

884

: 00:35:38

I gave it up cold Turkey.

885

: 00:35:40

That was harder than quitting smoking.

886

: 00:35:41

Quitting Mountain Dew was so difficult,

887

: 00:35:43

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

Well, it's a lot of sugar.

888

: 00:35:44

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

and there's no patch for it.

889

: 00:35:46

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I knew a kid

who, would drink a two liter of Mountain

890

: 00:35:49

Dew in the morning before school.

891

: 00:35:51

He was on the academic team

with us and he acted like that.

892

: 00:35:54

He acted exactly like the kind of

person who does some shit like that.

893

: 00:35:58

his idol was Cosmo Kramer.

894

: 00:36:01

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Ah,

895

: 00:36:02

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Strange

896

: 00:36:02

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

a lot right there.

897

: 00:36:03

Yeah.

898

: 00:36:04

Mountain.

899

: 00:36:04

My aunt, that was her drink of choice.

900

: 00:36:06

She put, I was one of the babies

that got the Mountain Dew in

901

: 00:36:09

the, the baby bottle back then.

902

: 00:36:11

a couple of my aunts were

really obsessed with it.

903

: 00:36:13

Um, I've got a cousin that

still drinks it like it's water.

904

: 00:36:16

I don't know what the rest of

them do, but at least one of

905

: 00:36:17

them drinks it like it's water.

906

: 00:36:18

The only time that I ever

drink Mountain Dew, Shana will

907

: 00:36:21

get one if we get Taco Bell.

908

: 00:36:23

And if you're eating Taco Bell, you

need at least one swig of Mountain Dew.

909

: 00:36:25

So I get that every once in a while.

910

: 00:36:27

Or if I go to Tudor's Biscuit World,

that's the other time a Mountain Dew.

911

: 00:36:30

Is, is, Okay the rest of the

time I'm mostly a water or

912

: 00:36:33

sugar-free Red Bull drinker.

913

: 00:36:35

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: I think

you gotta start on it young,

914

: 00:36:37

because I, anytime I try to have

something like that, now I'm sick.

915

: 00:36:41

It's too much sugar.

916

: 00:36:43

It's delicious, right?

917

: 00:36:44

It's decadent,

918

: 00:36:46

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I learned

something this week about soda.

919

: 00:36:48

Pepsi.

920

: 00:36:48

Did you know that they, um, when

they were starting the company,

921

: 00:36:51

when they first started, like

advertising, they specifically

922

: 00:36:54

advertised in black neighborhoods

and black communities, four to one.

923

: 00:36:58

Their, their advertising dollars were

four to one to black neighborhoods

924

: 00:37:01

versus white neighborhoods.

925

: 00:37:03

And it became kind of a racial thing.

926

: 00:37:04

Black people drank Pepsi and white

people drank Coke, until they realized

927

: 00:37:07

that they were missing out on an entire

audiences or consumer bases, right?

928

: 00:37:10

And they kind of expanded it.

929

: 00:37:12

But Pepsi was originally known

culturally as a black drink,

930

: 00:37:16

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Interesting.

931

: 00:37:17

did the place you learned

to say any more about why

932

: 00:37:20

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253:

because Pepsi, That's the market

933

: 00:37:22

share that they honed in on.

934

: 00:37:23

They even had a specific, uh, it

said they had a specific department

935

: 00:37:27

that was for getting into black

communities and advertising

936

: 00:37:30

specifically to black communities.

937

: 00:37:31

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: And then by

the: 1940

938

: 00:37:36

it everywhere 'cause she was married

to the CEO of Pepsi or whatever.

939

: 00:37:40

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

940

: 00:37:46

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: By the time I

started to like notice Mountain Dew, it

941

: 00:37:49

was when they had really gone into that

like extreme sports type of marketing.

942

: 00:37:54

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: do the do.

943

: 00:37:56

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: We used to

film parody skits of that in, in the,

944

: 00:37:59

when we were hanging out with, in the

AV club in high school, we would just

945

: 00:38:02

like film someone doing something

really, really normal and then throw a

946

: 00:38:05

pop can at 'em and they would say, do

the, do we thought we were hysterical?

947

: 00:38:11

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: yeah, the

nineties were such a different time.

948

: 00:38:14

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

949

: 00:38:14

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: I forget that

these kids like that when you're teaching

950

: 00:38:17

or whatever, that they have no idea

about life without cell phones in them.

951

: 00:38:21

They just can't even imagine it.

952

: 00:38:23

that was our whole world it's

just wild to me that, there's kids

953

: 00:38:26

alive that can't even fathom life

without a smartphone in their hand.

954

: 00:38:30

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Yeah.

955

: 00:38:31

In fairness though, I don't know what

I would do without my cell phone.

956

: 00:38:33

Now.

957

: 00:38:34

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Right.

958

: 00:38:35

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: done, uh,

959

: 00:38:37

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah.

960

: 00:38:37

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: with

it, like only because of it.

961

: 00:38:39

We've just, we have totally

reordered society around them.

962

: 00:38:42

You know, they provide a lot

and maybe they, maybe there's

963

: 00:38:45

some things that they do worse.

964

: 00:38:46

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: Yeah, there's

a cost for everything, you know?

965

: 00:38:49

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: That's true.

966

: 00:38:49

There's a trade off for anything you try

to, to do better or faster or smarter or

967

: 00:38:53

whatever, somewhere as being compromised.

968

: 00:38:56

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: For sure.

969

: 00:38:56

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253: Well, let's

talk about like this Halloween party idea.

970

: 00:39:00

we've been wanting to do something where

we have a watch party of Curse of the

971

: 00:39:05

Queer Wolf because Beck discovered that

it is available for streaming on a certain

972

: 00:39:12

free app that works with tele party.

973

: 00:39:14

So we can use tele party.

974

: 00:39:16

All of us can get together and just log

in separately on this free app using this

975

: 00:39:20

tele party link, and then we can get in

the chat and watch the movie together.

976

: 00:39:24

And then maybe we can React Live

to it or something like that later.

977

: 00:39:28

I'm not sure still fleshing it

out, but, I think that we are just

978

: 00:39:31

gonna go ahead and do that because

it would be fun for us to do.

979

: 00:39:33

And then we are just gonna put it out

there that y'all are invited, but to

980

: 00:39:36

make it so that if somebody wants to

come and, um, harass us, they'll at

981

: 00:39:41

least have to give us a dollar first.

982

: 00:39:43

I'm setting up a Ko-Fi for Queernecks.

983

: 00:39:46

so Ko-Fi is like Patreon, but

we get to set our own terms and,

984

: 00:39:49

once you register for the Ko-Fi,

you're added to the Discord server.

985

: 00:39:54

Or you can, you can opt out if you want

to, but, you'll be invited to the Discord

986

: 00:39:58

server and then we can all just hang out

in there together and watch the movie.

987

: 00:40:02

We could also do other stuff.

988

: 00:40:03

I mean, I'm still learning about

Discord, but y'all can, something

989

: 00:40:07

I used to do is like, there's

a whiteboard feature in there.

990

: 00:40:09

We could play Pictionary.

991

: 00:40:10

I was thinking it would be funny

if, like me and you try to play

992

: 00:40:12

Pictionary at each other, but

the chat has to do wrong answers.

993

: 00:40:15

Only because I'm, I am so bad at

drawing the most fun I, learned,

994

: 00:40:21

I have this like kind of humor

superpower, which is just have people

995

: 00:40:25

watch me try to play Pictionary.

996

: 00:40:27

it's dreadful.

997

: 00:40:29

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: of drawing as

an undergrad and I still can't draw so.

998

: 00:40:33

dash_5_09-18-2025_170253:

I also took drawing.

999

: 00:40:35

beck_5_09-18-2025_180253: It was required

for my information technology degree

: 1000

00:40:38,169 --> 00:40:40,599

because, you know, you

draw so many websites,

: 1001

00:40:40,704 --> 00:40:40,944

-: 2025

: 1002

00:40:40,944 --> 00:40:41,844

Right from hand.

: 1003

00:40:41,844 --> 00:40:43,134

-: 2025

would've thought that it would've

: 1004

00:40:43,134 --> 00:40:46,404

been more important to do like

photography or digital editing

: 1005

00:40:46,404 --> 00:40:48,234

or, you know, something like that.

: 1006

00:40:48,234 --> 00:40:50,814

I took those classes anyway 'cause

I thought they would be important.

: 1007

00:40:50,814 --> 00:40:51,804

but they weren't required.

: 1008

00:40:51,804 --> 00:40:53,544

It was, it was drawing all the way.

: 1009

00:40:54,104 --> 00:40:54,184

-: 2025

: 1010

00:40:54,184 --> 00:40:54,454

Yeah.

: 1011

00:40:54,454 --> 00:40:56,374

And there's all kinds of games

we could play in there too.

: 1012

00:40:56,374 --> 00:41:00,531

So, pretty soon you'll see me

circulate once I figure this out.

: 1013

00:41:00,531 --> 00:41:03,501

It's not fully even set up yet

'cause I don't know what I'm doing.

: 1014

00:41:03,501 --> 00:41:06,601

But, there'll be something about

how to join the Ko-Fi and I'll

: 1015

00:41:06,601 --> 00:41:08,671

set it up so that you can give us

a dollar if that's all you got.

: 1016

00:41:08,671 --> 00:41:10,681

Or you can give us 10 if you

feel like giving us more.

: 1017

00:41:10,681 --> 00:41:12,121

But there'll be no difference in the tier.

: 1018

00:41:12,571 --> 00:41:13,681

It's literally the same thing.

: 1019

00:41:13,681 --> 00:41:15,799

Just one tier is giving us

more money than the other.

: 1020

00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:17,574

-: 2025

sounds like a good time to me.

: 1021

00:41:17,718 --> 00:41:19,428

I wish you could see my dog right now.

: 1022

00:41:19,428 --> 00:41:22,098

She's laying totally on her back in

the middle of a pillow with all four

: 1023

00:41:22,098 --> 00:41:24,258

of her feet in the air passed out.

: 1024

00:41:24,363 --> 00:41:26,493

-: 2025

with your phone and that we'll use

: 1025

00:41:26,493 --> 00:41:28,023

that as the show art for this episode.

: 1026

00:41:30,009 --> 00:41:31,454

-: 2025

if I'll be able to get a good one.

: 1027

00:41:31,454 --> 00:41:32,504

It's dark in here.

: 1028

00:41:33,179 --> 00:41:33,864

-: 2025

You don't have flash.

: 1029

00:41:34,384 --> 00:41:34,504

I.

: 1030

00:41:34,504 --> 00:41:36,819

-: 2025

but I don't like using flash.

: 1031

00:41:37,116 --> 00:41:38,256

-: 2025

It can be a bit much.

: 1032

00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:39,861

-: 2025

I am a photographer.

: 1033

00:41:39,861 --> 00:41:42,321

I'm, I'm very particular

about the way things look.

: 1034

00:41:42,321 --> 00:41:43,881

-: 2025

yeah, you gotta get you a lighting

: 1035

00:41:43,881 --> 00:41:45,621

rig so we can start doing Fuck it.

: 1036

00:41:45,621 --> 00:41:46,431

We'll do it live.

: 1037

00:41:46,686 --> 00:41:49,266

-: 2025

have one where I do pho photo shoots.

: 1038

00:41:49,266 --> 00:41:51,876

Sometimes I, I've had

one for a couple years.

: 1039

00:41:52,161 --> 00:41:52,581

-: 2025

: 1040

00:41:52,581 --> 00:41:54,651

Listeners, you're about

to get an eye full of us.

: 1041

00:41:55,229 --> 00:41:56,699

Maybe we haven't decided yet.

: 1042

00:41:58,979 --> 00:42:00,689

-: 2025

got, I, and I can teach you how to make a

: 1043

00:42:00,689 --> 00:42:03,449

soft box out of a garbage bag and a box.

: 1044

00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:04,679

It's very easy.

: 1045

00:42:04,936 --> 00:42:06,271

-: 2025

right, let's make a home studio.

: 1046

00:42:06,769 --> 00:42:07,039

-: 2025

: 1047

00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:08,689

Save you 50 bucks on a soft box.

: 1048

00:42:13,689 --> 00:42:16,629

-: 2025

thanks for, uh, listening to another

: 1049

00:42:16,629 --> 00:42:19,059

week on Queernecks, you can hear us.

: 1050

00:42:19,059 --> 00:42:23,679

We just, um, recorded an episode for

Lee over at his show, translucent.

: 1051

00:42:24,249 --> 00:42:27,069

we'll let you know when he, gets

that out there, it's always good

: 1052

00:42:27,074 --> 00:42:30,608

to see him again, and maybe he'll

be watching Queer Wolf with us.

: 1053

00:42:30,925 --> 00:42:31,830

-: 2025

That would be great.

: 1054

00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:34,470

-: 2025

remember to, review the show,

: 1055

00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:36,300

write the show wherever you listen.

: 1056

00:42:36,330 --> 00:42:38,546

That helps us out a lot, share.

: 1057

00:42:38,546 --> 00:42:43,196

If you enjoyed something on, your

Facebooks or wherever you are online.

: 1058

00:42:43,196 --> 00:42:45,926

and let us know if you

have a silly story to tell.

: 1059

00:42:45,926 --> 00:42:50,486

-: 2025

address is mailbag@queernext.com.

: 1060

00:42:50,486 --> 00:42:52,046

-: 2025

know, love to hear from you

: 1061

00:42:52,046 --> 00:42:53,876

and we'll see you next time.

: 1062

00:42:53,936 --> 00:42:57,086

Stay, uh, I was gonna say safe, frosty.

: 1063

00:42:57,266 --> 00:42:58,826

but I've never said

that before in my life.

: 1064

00:42:59,096 --> 00:42:59,486

. All right.

: 1065

00:42:59,486 --> 00:43:01,136

Well, we'll see y'all next time.

: 1066

00:43:01,136 --> 00:43:02,216

Say, how do your mom and them.

: 1067

00:43:02,415 --> 00:43:02,635

-: 2025