Episode 48

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Published on:

28th Apr 2026

Fingering the Democracy

Hosts Beck and Dash chat through tech frustrations and changing internet/IT, early home computing memories (AOL dial-up costs, Commodore 64, Carmen Sandiego, Number Munch, Oregon Trail, typing skills), and odd public moments (a classmate farting in a lab, an ROTC student’s loud burp, quirky neighbor small talk, a neighbor’s unsolicited diet comment). They share affirming messages from former students, including one crediting a queer professor for helping him come out and a trans student entering a funded PhD program. The conversation turns to political conspiracy chatter and media/ideology theory, then to housing costs and mobility barriers, job applications, and fatigue. They note Cincinnati creating Ohio’s first LGBTQ+ commission and mention an Appalachian-origin anti-discrimination code. A comedic “Stone Soup” sponsor bit leads into cooking memories, and the episode’s “noun of Appalachian interest” spotlights West Virginia dancer Jesco White (“The Dancing Outlaw”) and reflections on hillbilly media, names, and family history.

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00:00 Podcast Welcome

00:17 Tech Degree Throwback

01:15 Computer Lab Fart Story

02:10 OCD Public Bathroom Fear

03:20 Dial Up Rural Internet

06:24 Early PCs And Games

08:34 Typing Skills And Neuropathy

11:11 Campus Burp And Student Email

13:46 Weird Neighbor Small Talk

16:32 Neighbor Diet Comment

17:43 Trump Shooting Conspiracies

21:39 Jordan Klepper And Ideology

25:54 War On Christmas Bits

28:22 Year Round Holiday Lights

30:46 Housing Costs And Moving Trap

32:26 Taxes And Boots Theory

33:27 Leaving Home After Loss

34:30 Cincinnati LGBTQ Commission Tease

35:03 Cincinnati LGBTQ Commission

35:31 Urban Appalachian Discrimination

37:30 Queer Appalachian Migration

39:28 Burnout and Job Market

41:44 Stone Soup Sponsor Bit

44:56 Ramen Abomination Cooking

50:53 Jesco White Spotlight

55:21 Family Names and Politics

01:02:24 Homecoming and Finals

01:04:28 Internet Privacy and Ads

01:07:38 Wrap Up and Tech Issues

Transcript
Beck:

Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the Yee Hall in Y'all means all.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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Dash: and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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It's the true test.

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I actually don't know.

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I don't understand like internet

bandwidth stuff very well.

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Beck: One of my degrees is in it, and I

used to be able to explain some things

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like that, but literally I graduated

with that degree in:

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And I couldn't, like the technology

has changed so much that I

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couldn't tell you anything.

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Dash: I mean, it's

faster all the time too.

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Used to, it's like you do, this probably

applies to more things than computers

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and IT and stuff like that, but you

know, used to, you do it like a yearly.

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Thing to bring you up to speed.

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And now it's like if you take a vacation,

you come back and shit's different.

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Beck: I enjoyed my classes.

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I was usually one of the only two or

three girls in the entire program.

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Like there was a girl named Courtney.

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Mm-hmm.

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And she was a bitch.

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I hated her.

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Dash: I bet she's CEO of something now,

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Beck: and probably, I don't know,

she had no ambition whatsoever.

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And then there was this girl named

Rebecca, and I think she was,

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and I'm not saying anything about

homeschooling at all, but I think she

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was absolutely homeschooled because

she had no social manners whatsoever.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and I don't think she was

autistic, so I don't think that was it.

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I mean, she could have

been without me knowing.

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But anyway, one, one time I

was sitting behind her in the

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computer lab and she just.

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Lifted up her leg and farted real loud and

sat right back down, like just lifted her

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leg and farted right in front of me and.

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Just went like, ha, we all had our

headphones on, and she just kept

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going on like, it was nothing.

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My God.

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I was like, oh my God.

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Dash: That's like a, I don't know,

like, I'm trying to imagine like what

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would lead to something like that.

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This is like a, a, a phobia of mine, of

like, and it, it doesn't make any sense.

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And I discovered that it's not that.

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Rare.

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A lot of people have this phobia, but

it's too embarrassing to talk about

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because I learned about it in my

groupie sock school that I was going to.

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There was quite a few people with

OCD that have this fear of you're

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not actually where you think you are.

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So like if I sit down on the toilet

and I'm like getting ready to poop

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or something, I'm, I'll go, wait

a minute, what if I'm like sitting

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on a public bus or something?

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What if I just think I'm

sitting all the time?

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Beck: I always double check

to make sure I'm not asleep.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: Like, am I dreaming this right now?

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Dash: If I'm getting ready

to get in the shower?

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And I'm like, what if I'm just, what if

this is a fountain and I'm in public?

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What is that?

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Like, that don't even make no sense.

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The, the things that would

have to happen in succession.

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For that to be the scenario I'm in,

instead of the one that makes the most

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sense, which is that I'm in the bathroom.

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So yeah.

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Now that's something that I'm

gonna worry about next time I fart.

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What if I'm in a computer lab?

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Maybe she just assumed everybody had

their noise canceling earphones on.

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Beck: I guess I don't even know if that

was a thing back in like:

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Dash: I remember in the nineties

when the home PC started to

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become a thing they, they wanted.

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Well, it was, it was that plus

also internet access, right?

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They were really pushing this stuff

out to be in the home and a market.

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They had a lot of trouble cracking

was poor people in rural areas.

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There was a lot of stuff keeping

us from buying a PC and getting

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internet and like it was.

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It was the accessibility, but there

was also this like educational divide.

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The people who were most likely

to buy that stuff were people who

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already had exposure to it, already

saw it as integral to their life.

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We didn't have any reason to,

well, like why would I spend

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a PC cost $2,000 back then?

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: I don't know anything

about what internet costs

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Beck: It used to be dial up.

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So you would like,

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Dash: by the minute

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Beck: where I lived, when the internet

first came around with a OL it was long

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distance, so you had to pay mm-hmm.

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Long distance rates.

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So it was like 10 cents a

minute to use the internet.

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That's how old we are.

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Dash: So in an effort to, I guess, make

us begin to think of these things as parts

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of our lives, they had these outreach

and education initiatives to, to teach

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the hijacks about internet and stuff.

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And local libraries was

one place they did it.

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And my mom, where she worked

part-time at the Jericho Library,

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she went to some school put on by.

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Uh, the Bill and Melinda Gates

Foundation, and this was a lot of, um,

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rural educators or librarians, people

who were plugged in, who, who would've

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been kind of a linchpin in that system.

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They educated them and so mom actually

knew how to use a computer for the

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longest time, but they never actually

got a computer at the library.

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So like they forgot to, like, put in

that, to, to plug in that little piece.

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But it was pretty helpful at home

because dad wanted a computer.

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He, he loves technology and stuff.

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He was always looking

for an excuse to get one.

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So when we finally were able

to, she was able to show us

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how to use it, and it stayed.

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I mean, computers weren't

advancing super fast back then.

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Like early nineties,

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Beck: my parents were still using a OL

when they died in:

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how technologically advanced they were.

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If it wasn't on Facebook or eBay or Amazon

or a OL mail, my mom didn't mess with it.

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So.

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Dash: I had no idea.

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It was still a thing.

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Beck: Yeah.

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It's free now.

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And my dad, he was always looking

at cars, buying and selling cars

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on like eBay and car parts.com

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mm-hmm.

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And, and stuff like that.

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He, I would need something for my car and

he'd be like, just go on car parts.com

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and look up blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And you're like, slow down and

repeat that in English, you know.

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We are not sponsored by car parts.com.

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I should, I should throw that out there.

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Dash: I've never heard of it.

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Anytime I need something, I go to Rock

Auto, but I'm sure it's a similar thing.

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Well, um, I mean, my dad, he

got a, he had a Commodore 64.

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I'm pretty sure.

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But we weren't allowed to play with it,

and it was literally just for a while

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there, he had a side gig that didn't

actually make any money, but he did.

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He did have to process payments

and keep books and stuff for it.

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It was just a hobby of

the recording studio.

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So he would.

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Bands would come in and pay him to use

the space and he would produce it for 'em

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and he would place the order for the CDs.

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And he only did it for a few

people, but he did have to have

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some, some software to do that.

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But he mostly just wanted

to have it to play with.

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Same with the studio actually.

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Like this was, he wasn't

going into business.

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He was just, he liked

doing that kind of thing.

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And then.

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He got a A 2 86, which was,

this was back in the day.

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These were their processors.

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So this was before Pentium,

which was actually just 5 86.

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And he got, uh, where in the

world is Carmen San Diego for it.

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Beck: Oh, that's cool.

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Dash: There was a couple of other games

that weren't as good, but that one, man,

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I, I would play that one all the time.

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I fucking loved it.

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Did you ever watch that play

the game or watch the show?

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Beck: Yeah.

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Yeah, we played it at school.

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There was a game we played on computer

'cause we had the old, a apple with the

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green text on the, on the black screen.

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The

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Dash: Macintosh?

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Beck: Um, there was a

game called Number Munch.

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And it was so fun.

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It was like a square and you had,

we like eat all the multiples of two

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and so you'd have to like avoid the

three and the seven and whatever.

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Um, there'd be little monsters

that would come at you.

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It was a lot of fun.

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And then Oregon Trail, of course.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Oregon Trail was the big one

in, that was fifth grade.

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We had, there was a computer at

Angelico when I was in the fifth grade.

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Actually there were two, there was one

that was a PC and there was one that

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was a Macintosh and it was the only

thing I remember playing on it was.

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Oregon Trail, and when I say

play, I was never allowed to,

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it was never somehow my turn.

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I was mostly watching the other kids play.

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If you're willing to throw

hands, you could be the one

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that got to be on the computer.

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Beck: They had, they had plenty of kids.

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They had like a little, like a, a

room full of them lining the walls.

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Dash: They had that at

Williamsburg, but not Angelico.

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Beck: I was in the talented

and gifted program.

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And I remember in the third or

fourth grade, learning to type using

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like a Mavis Beacon type program.

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Um, ILI started learning

to type as early as that.

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Are you a good typist now?

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Dash: Uh, I am.

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I was, you know, now of course I've

got neuropathy in my hands, but I used

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to average 85 to 95 words a minute.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: I didn't learn the correct way.

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I just memorized the keyboard.

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Ah.

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Beck: I learned the right way.

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I took two years of typing in high school.

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Dash: I tried, I really did.

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You know, with, they put the little,

like, uh, the orange thing over

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the keyboard, so you can't look at

the, the keys and the home keys.

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I try, I, I do put my hands

there sometimes, but no, mostly

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I'm just like really fast.

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I've memorized the keyboard.

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I.

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Reaching for things and it is not the

correct way to do it, but it's also

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not quite hunt and peck because Yeah.

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I just created my own way of doing

it, which is how I learned to read.

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So yeah.

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It's not surprising.

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Beck: Hey, if it works, it works.

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Um, I've been trying to, 'cause I've

been applying to a bunch of jobs, so

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I've been like editing, you know how

that, what that turnaround is like.

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Yeah.

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Where you have to edit a fucking cover

letter for everything you turn in.

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Yeah.

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And it's been, I, I've been using like

actually my hands instead of the voice to

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text because formatting for voice to text.

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There may be a shortcut for it,

like other disabled folks out there.

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If you've had to learn how to

use these assistive technologies

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late in life or whatever, let

me know if there's a shortcut.

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But I keep having to go back and

forth between like using the touch

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pad to format to go like down for

line breaks or something like that,

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because I haven't memorized all the

voice commands for various things,

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and so I'm just like, fuck it.

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It's I, I'll just like force myself

to type, but I make so many mistakes.

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It's so slow and it wears my hand out.

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And I still, I'm just gonna do that

instead of learning the correct way

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to use the assistive technology.

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Beck: So your middle name is stubborn

then, is what you're, what you're

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Dash: saying?

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Mm-hmm.

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In a way though, I mean, maybe

it's like, uh, good for my hand.

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Maybe it's like physical therapy.

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Maybe it'll get stronger.

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Beck: Maybe I have what's

called trigger finger.

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Like my fingers will

just like do this work.

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It'll just, or.

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Like these fingers will get stuck

and won't like straighten out.

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It's, it's really weird.

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My fingers like, go frozen for a second.

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Not cold, just immobile.

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Dash: Weird.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: I have never heard of that.

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That would be upsetting.

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Beck: Yeah.

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My best friend worked for a

orthopedic surgeon for a long

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time, like 20 years, a long time,

and she said that was very common.

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She said a lot of people have it.

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I've also got a cyst right in the

middle of my hand because of it.

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Dash: Have you seen anything weird lately?

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Beck: Define weird,

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Dash: like just people doing

interesting, funny things.

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Beck: Did I tell you about the, the

girls that I walked past on campus that

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were in their army scrubs, like their

ROTC, um, there were three of 'em.

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It was dark.

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It was when it was, it's been maybe

six weeks ago when it happened.

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Um, and it was like seven o'clock.

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So it was totally dark on

campus and it was still cold.

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And I'm bundled up, you know, with

my backpack and I'm walking in

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my car minding my business, and

these three girls are just chatting

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and one of them burps so loud.

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That it, like my hair flew

back a little and I went nice,

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and they were so embarrassed.

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She was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

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I think I was just invisible to

'em in that moment, but I was just

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like, nice and just kept on going.

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It was one of the funniest things

that's happened in a while.

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Dash: Excellent.

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Beck: I got an email this week from

a student saying that he was, um, he

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re from when I worked at, uh, Shawnee

down in Portsmouth, he said that I

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was his first queer professor and

the first person outside of his age

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range, that he is known that was gay,

and that it was great to see somebody

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that was queer and successful doing

something with their life and that it

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made him realize that he was also queer.

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And so thank you for that.

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I was like, Aw, yeah.

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Dash: That's amazing.

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Beck: You tracked me down.

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Dash: I love when they do that.

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Kids, uh, if you ever are like, I

wish I could tell them this, but

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there's no way they remember me,

or there's no way they would care.

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We care

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Beck: a lot.

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Dash: Oh God, this week or this coming

week is lavender celebration and I'm not

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gonna be able to be there for, I probably

could crash it, but it would just make it

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all weird and it would make it about me.

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Right.

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And so I'm not gonna do that.

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But one of the.

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One, one of the trans students

that I was, you know, close with

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texted me maybe yesterday that

they, she got into a PhD program.

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It's fully funded.

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I think she said she's going to

the University of Buffalo and.

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I was like, that's awesome.

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You know, I'm super proud of you.

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I was worried about her.

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I worried about all of them

because they just, they become

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so inert and I totally feel that.

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I feel, uh, very similarly,

it's been hard to be inspired

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or excited or become motivated.

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By anything, like I have a significant

problem to solve and I'm still just

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looking around like maybe this is just it.

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Maybe it's okay that this is

the end of everything for me,

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and that's not really like me.

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I generally like problem solving.

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Beck: Right.

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You're allowed to get tired though.

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Dash: Yeah, I think that's what it is.

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I'm just like another one.

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But like, I was out for one of my logs.

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I have this, you know, neighbor here.

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He's a weird dude.

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He's a little kooky, which I respect.

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Um, and he's also very sweet.

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But I don't really see him that often.

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Like he's always out doing things.

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He's, uh, lives right behind me

here and he is got a big shed.

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He's always working in, but I went

out for my walk and you know, like you

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can feel that like the car coming up

on you and I could feel that one was

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there and that it was slowing down

and the driver was looking at me.

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I could just feel it.

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And so I looked over and I didn't

recognize him at first 'cause it

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was a person dressed up to do golf.

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And so he starts, he started

kind of joking with me.

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He was like, Hey.

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You live around here.

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And I just went like,

yeah, of course I'm sick.

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And I was not feeling well and I

was already cutting my walks short

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'cause I didn't feel like it.

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And because I, I didn't

realize it was him.

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But anyway, so when I did, I

went over and I was like, oh hey.

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And I'm trying to make small talk

and I sound so clearly, so Ill.

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They just like to talk

here, which is fine.

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And he was like, yeah,

I thought that was you.

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I recognized your walk.

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And I was like, that's

a weird thing to say.

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Thanks.

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This conversation just

kept getting weirder.

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The longer it went, we were

both just not on our A game.

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And it got, I think we started

to like actually do it on purpose

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and be competitively weird.

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I said, all right.

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And he goes, well, you know,

everybody's got their own walk.

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And then we were both quiet and

he goes, and it's hereditary.

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And I was like.

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What?

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And he said, how you

walk, it's hereditary.

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And so I said, okay, well I'll make

sure to let my parents know you'd

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be able to pick 'em out of a lineup.

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And he like.

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He started laughing and then he, he

was like, I've just been golfing.

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And I was like, oh, that's cool.

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He goes, do you golf?

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And I said, Nope.

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Never have.

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They just, they don't really

do that where I'm from.

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And he goes, oh, do you fish?

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And I said, Nope.

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Beck: This flannels just for show.

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Yeah.

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Dash: And he, he goes, well that's enough.

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Trying to get to know each other for now.

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I'll see you later.

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I was like, wow, congratulations.

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Like, you won you out weirded me.

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But it's like, what

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Beck: do you even say back to that?

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Like, I

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Dash: dunno.

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Beck: Yep.

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I guess so.

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Dash: He was, uh, I was standing in

the middle of the road and he was.

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Stopped.

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And so after he said that, he just

drove off and I was like, bye.

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And I've been like, since then I've

been saying, well, that's enough.

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Trying to get to know

each other to myself.

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What an icon.

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Beck: That's awesome.

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Dash: It's fair, you know,

I was not doing a great job.

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Beck: I once had a neighbor

where I lived in bg.

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Um, she lived a couple of houses

down and the day we were moving in

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like this, we still had DirecTV.

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It was before it was

all, you know, online.

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Um, and I had called before we

moved up here to get it set up.

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That way we would have TV

as soon as we moved in.

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And she comes over and she was like, you

should sign up for DirecTV using my thing.

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And I was like, I'm sorry,

we already got it fixed up.

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And she was like, okay, we're gonna

need to get you on a diet girl.

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And like.

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Was the first thing the woman

said to me after I told her that I

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didn't wanna use her DirecTV login.

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And it was like, okay.

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Turns out she was an uh, she got a

master's degree in exercise science

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and was a retired gym teacher.

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I did end up taking a water jogging

class from her, which was fun.

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Dash: What's water jogging?

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Beck: Exactly what it sounds like you

do The movements of running and water.

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Dash: Oh.

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Oh.

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Like an aquatics.

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Okay.

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Beck: It's a lot easier on your body.

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Dash: Yeah,

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Beck: but it's still a workout 'cause

you do it in the deep end of the pool.

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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I've done a couple of aquatics classes,

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Beck: but she was like 75 and still

like out in the yard in her bikini.

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Dash: What a thing to say

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. But anyway, there's some like

serious conspiracy theories going on,

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Beck: well, I

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got shot in.

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His ear is perfect.

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Like so They fake the first one.

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What says they're not gonna

fake the second one, you know?

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No, I don't believe it.

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I think he

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Dash: Or

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Beck: because after it happened

they were all like, this is

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why you need the ballroom.

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Fuck you and

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Dash: That's exactly right.

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Like they were people.

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The ar the, I guess picture that's being

put together is one that this has happened

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so many times and nobody can hit shit.

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And because it, this wasn't even,

somebody had, uh, counted up that this

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is actually the fourth time because

it, there were times before when he

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was campaigning or somebody something

that somebody, I rem I can remember

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One is he was get doing one of his

rallies and somebody rushed the stage.

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'Cause I remember there was a gif of

him, like he didn't know what to do

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and he was like just freaking out.

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So that one I think was, was real.

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And I, I'm not saying that this wasn't.

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You know, I, I don't fucking know.

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And I think it's more fun to like,

just talk about what, what other

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people are, are saying about like,

how they're making this conspiracy.

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But the argument is pretty good,

you know, and this, this really does

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show that, like, you can make an

argument for just about anything if

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you're really dedicated and if you

really put the information together.

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But yeah, a bunch of bots, some,

there's a screenshot of, of a bunch

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of MAGA bots on Twitter going like,

this is why we need the ballroom.

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And it, for me, I was even like,

what does that have to do with this?

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It, it, it was a serious leap of logic.

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But they're saying it

was a con, a security,

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Beck: yeah, that they could

have better security and,

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and that kind of thing there.

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Dash: And they pointed out that this

is the first correspondence dinner.

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He's, he's attended.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Because it was the first one that

didn't have a comedian headlining it.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: so thin skinned,

he can't take a roasted.

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Dash: Oh, that's true.

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And people, somebody, uh, was putting

all of the, like, pictures of them

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as it was going on, and some of them

were like laughing and they were

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laughing afterwards and smiling.

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There's one, there's a really

incredible picture of Steven Miller

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using his pregnant wife as a shield.

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Beck: that.

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I did see that.

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Dash: Trump is in the background,

just standing there watching.

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And I was like, you know, even

this, yeah, it's, it's stupid.

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It's suspicious, but it's also like,

yeah, both of these people would do that.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: Like Trump doesn't know where he is.

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Beck: granted, they're the

worst government people that

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have ever been in my opinion.

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But why did we have so many people in

the government in one place, like the,

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the entire line of secession was in that

one bomb would've left us with I when the

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I read said that 93-year-old Chuck

Grassley would've been the president.

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Should a bomb have gone off and

killed everyone in that room?

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Dash: aren't there laws against that,

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Beck: I think there

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Dash: like, that matters

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Beck: yeah.

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That's crazy to me.

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Dash: because they're not

allowed to fly together

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and also, aren't they

building the ballroom?

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Like has there been some sort of,

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Beck: I think there's an

injunction against it right now.

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Dash: so they've demolished part

of the White House, but they

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don't have permission to build.

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Beck: They never had

permission to build, they just

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Dash: Oh my God.

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Incredible.

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Beck: Like they would've had

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Dash: These people,

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Beck: a historic trust and like the

National Historical Preservation

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Board or whatever it's called.

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And like there's, there's laws

and things about what you can do.

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You know, just because you

live in the White House doesn't

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mean you own the White House.

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The White

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Dash: you can't just renovate.

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Beck: Yeah.

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And they're all like, well,

Obama put up a basketball court.

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He put up not a court, he put up a rim.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, and, and.

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It is not the same thing even a little bit

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Dash: if, if a homeowner's

association would allow it.

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It doesn't compare to

demolishing the east Wing.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Do you ever watch Jordan klepper

his, his, his segments fingering

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the people and all of that?

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Fingering the demo, maybe

something like that.

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Fingering the democracy,

or, know what it's

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Dash: Let me see.

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Beck: That's a clip for you?

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Uh,

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Dash: Fingering democracy,

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Beck: yeah.

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The, the dissonance that people

have, you know what I mean?

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They really believe that, you know,

what he's doing is okay because Obama

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put up a basketball hoop and it's like.

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The leap of logic that you have

to take to get to someplace where

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you think those two things are

equivalent is just astounding to me.

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And it should be studied like seriously.

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:

, Dash: If nothing else, we are

gaining tons of data about how

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this works, you know, because

it is just, it's a cult.

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It's called Jordan K

Clipper Fingers, the pulse

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:

Beck: there you go.

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Dash: into the Mago verse.

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Beck: They're hilarious and

sad at the same that time.

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Dash: yeah, he does great work.

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And, and because SAD is right,

because there's, there is such a

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:

an order of magnitude of tragedy

to what has happened to people.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: It sort of, I, I've been, I keep

thinking back to that study about the

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amygdala and people who, it was a, it,

they studied Fox News viewers, but Fox

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News is just one part of this machine.

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What we're looking at here is a phenomenon

of an ideology, which is intentionally

532

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being bent to warping people's, uh,

minds, their perception of the world, and.

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The people who are susceptible to that.

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:

So it's, it just happens to

be this particular ideology.

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:

I remember something from, uh,

Radhika's class, the media,

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media methodologies class

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Beck: you.

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You asked me if I was in that class.

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I don't think I was.

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Dash: well, and I took several with

her because my coursework, like

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my specialization was in media and

communications and film and stuff.

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So one of those classes she

talked about how ideology.

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When you say ideology, it is, it

is not the thing that is motivated.

544

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It just simply exists.

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So whatever an ideology is, it

doesn't have its own, agenda.

546

:

and that can be hard for us to, to

remember to keep separate because

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especially if it's an ideology that we

don't agree with, and it's like, no,

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that thing's just existing over there.

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That ideology, it's sort of

like an element in nature.

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We all have access to it.

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I choose to disagree with it.

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but somebody who, who decides to use

it to try to influence another person.

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They are mediating that ideology and.

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This is what Marshall McCluhan

had meant by, uh, the media.

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The medium is the message.

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He recanted on that a little

bit because he was like, y'all

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misunderstood what I meant.

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What he meant was, it's not the ideology

that has the agenda, it's the medium.

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The, the person that is

transmitting that ideology is

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imbuing their own agenda onto it.

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Be because look at the way Christianity

is utilized against people.

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The people who are using that

for evil don't believe it.

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:

You don't have to agree with an

ideology in order to use that

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ideology to weaponize that ideology

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Beck: Right,

566

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Dash: Exactly.

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:

Yeah.

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:

Um, and we, we all, we are

like, oh God, hypocrisy.

569

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And it's like you're missing the point.

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:

Of course they're a hypocrite,

but that's not what's.

571

:

Important here.

572

:

You're not gonna win the argument by

pointing out, but you're a hypocrite.

573

:

When has that ever saved anybody?

574

:

Like you tell the bad guy, you're the bad

guy, and they go, you're right, my bad.

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Beck: Oops,

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Dash: I'll stop.

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:

I, and this all goes back to

Althusser and him talking about like

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the ideological state apparatus.

579

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And you have to choose whether

you believe in ideology or not,

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or whether you are subject to it.

581

:

So these people are

just activated by fear.

582

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That's basically what that means.

583

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If you can make, and we've known this

for a long time, but we're getting all

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this like really public information

and people like Jordan Klepper,

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:

they're just do doing the Lord's work.

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:

Beck: Yeah, I agree with that for sure.

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Dash: There was one, um, clip I saw.

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It was Christmas and Trump was

still campaigning at the time.

589

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And so he was, he, I don't know the

guy's name that he's usually with.

590

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He's a shorter, uh, much more deadpan guy.

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:

Beck: Michael Costas.

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Dash: I'll, I'll may, well, I, I

wouldn't, I don't, I've never known, so

593

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I wouldn't know if you were right or not.

594

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But they were at a, some sort of thing

in, at Christmas time and talking to, I'm

595

:

sure it was a rally and someone was saying

like, oh, we're allowed to say Christmas.

596

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Now he's gonna make it so that

we're allowed to say Christmas.

597

:

Which that's always one of the.

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:

You know, you convince somebody

that they're under attack.

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:

she was like, yeah, we're not

allowed to celebrate Christmas.

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We're allowed to, we will be

allowed to celebrate Christmas.

601

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And he just kind of looks at the

camera and then looks around him

602

:

because the whole place they're

standing is like Santa Vomited.

603

:

It's just tensile and

lights and Christmas trees.

604

:

And there's a fucking like Christmas

song playing in the background.

605

:

It's like, is this you

not celebrating Christmas?

606

:

What happens when you

turn loose on Christmas?

607

:

Kind of wanna see that.

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:

Beck: that would be the, the interior

of the Briar patch in Lucasville, Ohio.

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I, I heard they recently sold it,

so there's a new owner, I guess.

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:

But I, I worked there for two owners ago

and when the people that I knew that owned

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:

it, Kay and, oh my God, I can't believe,

I can't remember his name, Frank, maybe.

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:

Kay and Frank they sold it to another

lady and she came in and decorated

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for Christmas and never took it down.

614

:

And she put up, like they had

these drop ceilings with like.

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:

I don't know, 10 feet between where the

ceiling was and the actual ceiling of

616

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the place, and you could see up in there.

617

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So she lined the ceiling with Mrs.

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Claws, mannequins, like life size, Mrs.

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Claus's, and they're all over

the place inside the Briar

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:

patch and it's the most bizarre.

621

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So yeah, it's a place that you

just have to experience once.

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fried chicken leg or fried frog

legs and crockpot and some dog

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food, then that's the place for you.

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:

I.

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Dash: and if, if you, if you think that

there's a war on Christmas, ask yourself.

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:

Uh, like how many people, houses,

whatever businesses you see

627

:

that literally just leave their

Christmas decorations up year round.

628

:

And how we all are just like, okay.

629

:

Beck: Have you seen the new trend?

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I live in a brand new development.

631

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Like I'm the first person

to live in my apartment.

632

:

The buildings are brand new and there's

houses constantly being built in

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:

the new sub subdivisions on my road.

634

:

And all kinds of, during the summer

and stuff, there's a holiday lights

635

:

put up by the lawn care people.

636

:

They'll put 'em up and now they, they put

like the, the LED color changing ones.

637

:

So in August you can have a blue

and purple house if you want.

638

:

And in, in spring you can have a

pink and green one if you want.

639

:

You can change the lights

to the season if you want.

640

:

And it's just a, a year round thing

now, and it's, it's like, like

641

:

$300 per square foot or something.

642

:

It's like ridiculous.

643

:

Dash: That is a lot of work to just never

have to take the lights down or it's a

644

:

lot of money to never have to take the to.

645

:

Beck: Well, I mean, they,

they're fancy houses.

646

:

They're, they're like.

647

:

They're super, they, well, they look

super new, but they, they put a house up

648

:

in like two weeks, a couple of weeks ago,

649

:

Dash: Yeah.

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:

Beck: it, so I, I don't know.

651

:

This apartment is shit quality.

652

:

It's brand new, but it has like

that landlord special paint that

653

:

where you touch it and you leave

fingerprints on the walls and like

654

:

I, I leaned a, a, a box against it

and it left a mark against the wall.

655

:

So.

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:

Dash: Those, I think that's called

modular it comes like mostly already

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fabricated or, or prefab or something.

658

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And they just like assemble it on site

after they build the foundation and stuff.

659

:

And they are, they are the market now.

660

:

Like you, if you want to build a house.

661

:

It's, there are some places like where,

uh, Vanessa moved in the northern

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Kentucky, like Cincinnati suburb area.

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:

That's literally all you can do.

664

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The only thing you can do is pay

out the nose for a piece of shit.

665

:

Big box store uncustomizable, like

all the, the designs are pre-made.

666

:

I don't know.

667

:

It's hard to think how someone,

unless they were forced

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:

to, would agree to do that.

669

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Forced is a strong word, but like,

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:

they've got kids, right?

671

:

They have to live somewhere

that there's a school district

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:

Beck: Well that's, I mean,

that's how they got me.

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:

'cause they allowed dogs here.

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And when I moved here I had three

dogs, including baby, who was an

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over a hundred pound rottweiler.

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:

And to have that many dogs of that size,

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:

Dash: that.

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:

Beck: just some, we just

couldn't get anywhere.

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:

And plus we were apartment shopping

from 250 miles away, you know,

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:

so we kind of got living here.

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:

Dash: Housing in America

is fucking stupid.

682

:

Beck: Yes.

683

:

It really, I pay way

too much for rent here.

684

:

Like it's a whole ass

mortgage, you know, mortgage

685

:

Dash: Yeah.

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:

Uh, yeah.

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:

Your, your whole like situation

is double my mortgage.

688

:

Beck: Yeah.

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:

Dash: I mean, granted, I intentionally

bought a piece of shit so that my

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:

mortgage would be low, but that's

because I don't have a lot of money.

691

:

Beck: Yeah.

692

:

Well, neither do I.

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:

Yeah, but I mean, it was, it was ki

I mean, we had nowhere else to live.

694

:

It was kind of a, you know, and then

to move, we didn't know if I was

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:

gonna have my job for another year.

696

:

So to move the cost of moving what it

would've cost us to have a new first

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:

month rent and a down payment and to

pay the movers and to pay all that was

698

:

just, it was worth it to stay here to

find out, you know, whether, but we're

699

:

putting so many miles on the car and

we're just using so much gas and we're

700

:

both working in BG right now, so it

just makes more sense to be down there.

701

:

So we're gonna try to, this summer,

we're gonna try to find, but it's

702

:

finding housing down there is

so difficult if you don't wanna

703

:

Dash: It wouldn't bother.

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:

I mean, getting, getting closer

is absolutely a good idea.

705

:

But like in the city

it's, or the town itself,

706

:

Beck: I mean, yeah, I could be out

on like the sugar Ridge or, you know,

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:

Dash: it's that racket.

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:

Beck: yeah, I'm not trying

to live in the college area.

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:

Part of hell no.

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:

Dash: Yeah.

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:

Beck: when I lived in Hamilton, Ohio,

I lived near college students and I

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:

would, if, if given the, the legal

right, I would just hose them down

713

:

when they came near my, my yard.

714

:

I wasn't allowed to do that.

715

:

But I thought about it many a

times and I do not wanna live

716

:

near drunken students that I love.

717

:

I love my students, but I get the

most sober, so I, I, I prefer that.

718

:

Dash: And that's that, um, that boots

theory of social, whatever unfairness,

719

:

Terry Pratchett's theory is it, it

costs, like you just said, that's

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:

probably $5,000 you need to move to a

new apartment, and you're not gonna have

721

:

that because you're barely affording the

rent to stay in the apartment you have.

722

:

And so like, having enough financial

room to improve your financial

723

:

situation, it's, it's designed

to keep us where we get stuck.

724

:

Beck: Yeah, I worked, I worked

two jobs this year, right?

725

:

I worked for the online university and I

worked for the Real Life University, and

726

:

somewhere along the lines, I didn't take

out enough taxes, and so working this

727

:

job caused me, now I owe $2,000 in taxes.

728

:

Like, what is the point of trying so hard?

729

:

How am I paying more

taxes than the president?

730

:

Dash: what I had to do to find it was

somewhere that is nearly intolerable.

731

:

Beck: Yeah.

732

:

Well, that's how it

733

:

You know, I could have gotten a really

cheap apartment down there, but,

734

:

Dash: Right.

735

:

Beck: the rent was free while I was there.

736

:

I mean, I would've had to pay

property taxes if I had stayed there.

737

:

And that's as much as a rent payment,

you know, 'cause it was like $4,000

738

:

every six months or something.

739

:

'Cause there was, you know, 17 acres.

740

:

if I had stayed there, 'cause we

thought about it, you know, what

741

:

kind of life could we build there?

742

:

We're being given all this land

and this house and all that.

743

:

Why not at least think about it?

744

:

But there were no jobs.

745

:

I could be working as an adjunct

at Shawnee right now, and I just

746

:

couldn't afford to live like that.

747

:

And I'm, the mental stress of living in my

mom's house after she passed was too much.

748

:

Dash: I was gonna say, I don't,

I don't know about that for you

749

:

Beck: it was

750

:

Dash: or for anyone you know.

751

:

Beck: my therapist was very glad

when we moved back up here and it

752

:

took every ounce of everything.

753

:

I had every dollar, I had every last spare

energy sale, I had every, everything to

754

:

get back up here and, and out of there.

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:

But we did it.

756

:

did it by God, didn't we?

757

:

Rue,

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:

Dash: speaking of Ohio, Cincinnati has the

first, I think it's Ohio's first, LGBTQIA

759

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a two s plus commission, city commission.

760

:

Let me look this up.

761

:

I'm trying to do this from memory

and I could just Google it.

762

:

Beck: the two s stand for?

763

:

Dash: Two-Spirit

764

:

Cincinnati, LGBT.

765

:

There it is.

766

:

Yeah.

767

:

First members to historic L-G-B-T-Q.

768

:

Oh, oh, it's just cookies.

769

:

Okay.

770

:

Um, stop asking me if I wanna subscribe.

771

:

I'm already subscribed.

772

:

By the way, this is the Buckeye Flame.

773

:

Of course, I'm subscribed.

774

:

Yeah.

775

:

Uh, CI Cincinnati Historic

lgbtq plus commission.

776

:

The 12 appointees come from

a variety of backgrounds.

777

:

Cincinnati is the first Ohio City

to create an lgbtq plus commission.

778

:

will report twice a month to the

city's Healthy Neighbors Healthy

779

:

Neighborhoods Committee and advise

the council on how legislation

780

:

might impact the queer community.

781

:

Wow.

782

:

There'll be tracking data.

783

:

Cool.

784

:

Beck: They also have um, an

anti-discrimination bill that includes

785

:

non-discrimination against people from

an Appalachian origin in Cincinnati.

786

:

Dash: Interesting.

787

:

Beck: Yeah,

788

:

Dash: What, uh, what does

that discrimination look like?

789

:

Is it

790

:

Beck: I think it's the people that like

from, from southern Kentucky and, and

791

:

all that, that moved north to the, to

the, to the Cincinnati what's it called?

792

:

Nor not Norfolk.

793

:

That's Virginia.

794

:

What's it called Across

the ver, what is it?

795

:

Covington, Newport.

796

:

Thank you.

797

:

I could not get that word outta my brain

or from my brain out into the language.

798

:

I think it was because people moving

from that part of Kentucky, like the, the

799

:

JD Vance's of the world, his mammaw or

800

:

Dash: mm-hmm.

801

:

Beck: from Appalachia to Middletown,

which is pretty much Cincinnati.

802

:

Dash: Oh my God.

803

:

Beck: stemmed from.

804

:

Dash: That is so interesting.

805

:

All right.

806

:

Cincinnati's municipal code 9 1 4

prohibits discrimination based on

807

:

Appalachian region origin, in addition

to race, gender, and sexual orientation.

808

:

The context is that migrants from

Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, West

809

:

Virginia, and southern Ohio moved

to Cincinnati for industrial jobs

810

:

primarily between the forties and

sixties, and often faced discrimination

811

:

leading to their categorization as an

invisible minority or second minority.

812

:

The Urban Appalachian Community Coalition

works to promote cultural pride.

813

:

Wow.

814

:

Oh boy.

815

:

I bet this has been weaponized

for some shit though.

816

:

Beck: Yeah, you think so?

817

:

Dash: I mean, you know how

fucking white people are.

818

:

Beck: Yeah.

819

:

I, when I was at Miami my last semester,

I ran out of financial aid because

820

:

there's, you only get so much eligibility

and I was literally to my last semester

821

:

and they gave me a scholarship based

on my Appalachian birth I thought

822

:

was really cool as a minoritized

823

:

Dash: Yeah.

824

:

Beck: Yeah,

825

:

Dash: They're called Urban Appalachians.

826

:

Beck: Echoes of the

827

:

Dash: This, well, I was just about

to say like, this is, it, it sort

828

:

of this, this is a kind of diaspora

829

:

and, and I'm also

hesitant to use that word.

830

:

I, I use it.

831

:

Sometimes kind of what's, what's

the word, jokingly, right?

832

:

To talk about Appalachian diaspora

833

:

specifically, uh, when I talk about like

queer and trans Appalachian diaspora

834

:

for like people who left home to find

acceptance because it's part of a larger

835

:

conversation of the gay migration.

836

:

Have you heard about this?

837

:

Beck: Mm-hmm.

838

:

No.

839

:

Dash: It's, it kind of describes this

real and imagined cultural phenomenon

840

:

of queer, rural people leaving their,

you know, small towns or isolated

841

:

towns for one of the gay meccas like

San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York,

842

:

Chicago, what, whatever's closest,

843

:

but

844

:

Beck: I think that's about community

building more than anything.

845

:

Like in my small town, there were like

five queer people that were out, you know,

846

:

that's the reason I moved to Huntington.

847

:

I, the, the book, uh, Ruby Fruit Jungle,

I don't know if you've ever read it.

848

:

It's one of my favorites.

849

:

But she, she gets kicked out by her mom

and she can't go to college anymore, so

850

:

she decides to move to New York because

there's so many queers in New York.

851

:

One more won't rock the boat.

852

:

And that was my exact thinking

of moving to Huntington.

853

:

There were three queer bars in

Huntington alone when I moved there.

854

:

So there was at least a community there.

855

:

And I know lots of other people from

Pikeville and areas like that, that moved

856

:

up there too, for the same exact reason.

857

:

It was a place for community.

858

:

Dash: Yeah, and the, I think part

part of it was like there was only

859

:

so many places people knew of for

sure that there were queer people

860

:

and San Francisco was one of them.

861

:

And it is just simply unlikely that

there's gonna be a vibrant queer community

862

:

in a place with a small population.

863

:

And that's just, that's the minority

experience or the minoritized

864

:

experience is having to do some

legwork to find people like you.

865

:

You know, 15 years ago when I was

first on the job market, it was

866

:

just like, L-G-B-T-Q Center is

far and wide hiring all the time.

867

:

And it right now it is

very few and far between.

868

:

Like, I've been monitoring the

job boards for weeks now, and I've

869

:

seen maybe a handful of five, you

know, job postings, but they're

870

:

in such weird, surprising places.

871

:

Uh, I saw two in Texas and I've

seen, I, I can remember one, but

872

:

probably more in, in Tennessee.

873

:

What the fuck those are?

874

:

Well, maybe the people

who had those jobs left.

875

:

'cause the, the states are so

awful, but like Minnesota, my

876

:

university is getting rid of that

job because it's too hot politically.

877

:

But Texas and Tennessee

are out here posting.

878

:

Beck: help wanted.

879

:

Dash: Yeah.

880

:

Okay.

881

:

I, I don't wanna live in Tennessee.

882

:

I absolutely cannot live in

Tennessee or Texas As a trans person.

883

:

Wouldn't it be crazy if one of our

listeners was on the Cincinnati

884

:

LGBTQIAA Plus Commission?

885

:

That would be fucking incredible.

886

:

Beck: that really would be, if

you are, we wanna interview you.

887

:

Dash: we could probably, like, I don't

want, I I was gonna, it was gonna sound

888

:

creepy what I was about to say, but like,

find out who they are and where they work.

889

:

Beck: Yeah.

890

:

That's not creepy at all, dude.

891

:

Dash: No, it's probably

their worst nightmare too,

892

:

as someone who's been in that position.

893

:

Public service.

894

:

Oh my God.

895

:

It's not for me.

896

:

I don't even know if university level

facing public service is for me anymore.

897

:

Like, I looked at those jobs

and I was like, I, I don't know.

898

:

I don't know if I'm, I don't know

if I have that in me anymore.

899

:

That is young person's work.

900

:

Beck: What?

901

:

Like coordinating and all

902

:

Dash: activity a degree, but

also like advocacy on that, that

903

:

level with the amount of like red

tape and constraints that come

904

:

from doing it in higher education.

905

:

I think naivete is a strong asset for

something like that because you've

906

:

gotta be willing to grind and, and

keep churning and burning without

907

:

really being able to see a result.

908

:

And You get tired of that?

909

:

Beck: Yeah, I bet.

910

:

Dash: Oh, well, let's hear

from this week's sponsor,

911

:

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is, sponsor by Stone Soup.

912

:

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913

:

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914

:

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celery, and a pack of instant noodles.

915

:

Just knowing there's a

meal in there somewhere.

916

:

But not knowing if you're up to the

task of bringing it together seems

917

:

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and the creative energy it takes

918

:

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getting your own basic needs met.

919

:

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920

:

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921

:

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922

:

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923

:

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924

:

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before it spoils and leave the rest to us.

925

:

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one base, ramen, beans, rice, or broth,

926

:

three to seven questionable ingredients,

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927

:

one of which has just enough gumption

to hold up that mystery jar and say,

928

:

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929

:

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930

:

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931

:

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932

:

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933

:

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934

:

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935

:

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936

:

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937

:

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938

:

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939

:

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940

:

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941

:

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high price of asking for help.

942

:

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stomach and social battery.

943

:

Plus you borrowed the courage to eat that

pickled thing from the back of the fridge.

944

:

Beck: I've never heard

of stone soup before.

945

:

Dash: Really?

946

:

that sounded really shady.

947

:

I'm sorry.

948

:

Listeners, I hope you don't feel judged

if you also hadn't, but it's, it's just,

949

:

uh, it's an, uh, European folk tale

from the:

950

:

Beck: their 15th century German folklore?

951

:

Dash: That's so fair.

952

:

Beck: me.

953

:

Dash: It's, the story is like, there's

a traveling stranger or maybe more

954

:

than one, I don't know, who come to

a town and they're hungry, but they

955

:

don't have any food and they are like.

956

:

Okay, we're gonna make some stone soup.

957

:

I, I can make soup from just this stone.

958

:

And they have a pot and they put the

stone in it and they're like, okay,

959

:

so just need a, a few ingredients.

960

:

And they, they go to each house,

you know, and they're like, all I

961

:

need is a little bit of this, right?

962

:

A little celery.

963

:

Do you have a tarot root?

964

:

Do you have whatever, a chicken.

965

:

And like house by house.

966

:

They put together a pot of soup

and then they invite all the

967

:

villagers to eat it with them.

968

:

So I, I guess it's a story about

like pulling community resources.

969

:

And the joke is like, I made all this

just from this rock, but they actually

970

:

made it from connecting with people

and we ma managed to feed a village.

971

:

I think it's similar to, there's some

religious myths that are similar, right?

972

:

Beck: The LOA of and fishes.

973

:

Dash: I call mine Ramen Abomination,

but it's based on the Stone soup thing.

974

:

And we would do that, like when I

was in college, we would be like,

975

:

all right, it's stone soup night.

976

:

and sometimes we would go to save a lot

or Aldi together and shop and then come

977

:

back and make, you know, whatever in the,

in the dorm kitchen or when, if somebody

978

:

had an apartment in their apartment.

979

:

And so we'd made stuff, it, it

was always big pots of shit.

980

:

'cause you have to be able to

throw in whatever you have.

981

:

so I would get, you can buy Top Ramen

in bulk and so I would fix a big pot, a

982

:

huge, uh, stock pot, a bowl and water and

throw in like six packs of the noodles.

983

:

And I would, um, save.

984

:

' cause the, the pack, um, the flavor

packs on those is just bullion basically.

985

:

So I would save the flavor

packs for seasoning meat next

986

:

time I had meat to, to fix.

987

:

Like, it's a good, if you get

a shitty cut of beef or pork or

988

:

something, you can put that on it

and it tenderizes and flavors it.

989

:

Uh, and then we would make, people

would come over and like, if they had

990

:

carrots that were half rotted, you

know, like chop 'em up and throw 'em in

991

:

there and celery or potatoes, whatever,

and it, it makes pretty good soup.

992

:

Uh, I, I would, uh, throw

peanut butter in there.

993

:

I made pad Thai type stuff before cream

of mushroom soup or cream, like cream of

994

:

whatever soup stuff you'd use for baking.

995

:

Put it in there and it

makes kind of a soup base.

996

:

I made pasta that way.

997

:

I made some truly disgusting things,

I made, I made some, the recipes

998

:

that I still make to this day,

999

:

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:46:31,925 --> 00:46:32,165

Yeah.

:

00:46:32,165 --> 00:46:34,025

Shana does most of the

cooking for a reason.

:

00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:37,415

I'm not like, I can make you

a good batch of spaghetti.

:

00:46:37,445 --> 00:46:39,125

Like that's my specialty, right?

:

00:46:39,125 --> 00:46:40,865

Like, that's everybody's first specialty.

:

00:46:41,235 --> 00:46:45,045

I can make you a pot of chili as long as

I have the prepackaged chili seasonings.

:

00:46:45,385 --> 00:46:48,955

So basically you just brown some hamburger

and open some cans, and that's about it.

:

00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:51,335

But Shanna does fried chicken.

:

00:46:51,335 --> 00:46:53,805

Shanna does She does shepherd's pie.

:

00:46:53,805 --> 00:46:57,045

She does, you know, a wide

variety of, of things.

:

00:46:57,555 --> 00:46:58,995

she can make biscuits and gravy.

:

00:46:59,355 --> 00:47:01,275

I can't make biscuits to save my life.

:

00:47:01,305 --> 00:47:02,415

They never turn out Right.

:

00:47:02,815 --> 00:47:03,905

Dash: there's a knack to it.

:

00:47:04,305 --> 00:47:04,815

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:47:05,215 --> 00:47:06,565

I also have a black thumb.

:

00:47:06,965 --> 00:47:10,385

of my talent is in my, is my

forefinger for doing pictures.

:

00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:12,450

Like, that's my hand, my hand talent.

:

00:47:12,850 --> 00:47:16,780

Dash: Like, there's a couple of like, uh,

social media creators who are just like

:

00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:22,410

southerners or, you know, people from

Appalachia who are showing people how to

:

00:47:22,410 --> 00:47:24,300

make their granny's recipes of things.

:

00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:27,860

And you know, my mom, she,

we've talked about this before.

:

00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:31,010

She, she had her recipes that she

rotated and, and they were fine,

:

00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:33,980

but she wasn't some like granny in

the kitchen all damn day, right?

:

00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:35,120

She had jobs to do.

:

00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:42,490

She had, like, there was, there was, her

generation didn't get to, to just spend

:

00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:44,590

their time refining their fucking craft.

:

00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:47,060

She had the things her

mom taught her to do.

:

00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:50,360

She knew how to make biscuits and stuff

like that because she, she was taught

:

00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,480

that, but she didn't get to stay in the

kitchen her, even if she had wanted to.

:

00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:54,780

Right.

:

00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:57,990

And if you wanna be a stay at home mom

and you wanna be somebody that only goes

:

00:47:57,990 --> 00:48:01,110

in the kitchen and, and gets better at

doing that kinda stuff, we support you.

:

00:48:01,393 --> 00:48:03,043

But even if she had wanted to, she.

:

00:48:03,443 --> 00:48:04,823

That that wasn't in the cards for her.

:

00:48:05,223 --> 00:48:08,103

So I see things all the time

that I'm like, I ain't never

:

00:48:08,103 --> 00:48:08,883

seen nothing like that.

:

00:48:08,883 --> 00:48:12,243

I saw somebody today making,

oh shit, what did she call it?

:

00:48:12,643 --> 00:48:13,333

Chocolate.

:

00:48:13,583 --> 00:48:14,183

Cobbler.

:

00:48:14,303 --> 00:48:15,173

Chocolate cobbler.

:

00:48:15,573 --> 00:48:21,452

And, she was using like, your mom used

for the her fudge, the coco powder mix

:

00:48:22,029 --> 00:48:23,656

I saw her with several different powders.

:

00:48:24,056 --> 00:48:28,016

And it made it just like

cobbler, but it came out looking

:

00:48:28,016 --> 00:48:30,996

like a ooey gooey, brownie.

:

00:48:31,396 --> 00:48:32,386

I almost saved it.

:

00:48:32,506 --> 00:48:34,576

Like, I was like, I'm gonna

make this or some shit.

:

00:48:34,776 --> 00:48:35,676

maybe we should do that.

:

00:48:35,676 --> 00:48:38,166

We should do an episode where

we both try to make something.

:

00:48:39,882 --> 00:48:42,192

Beck: I used to be a pretty

good baker when I was a kid.

:

00:48:42,192 --> 00:48:44,982

I used to make like cinnamon rolls

from scratch and things like that.

:

00:48:45,282 --> 00:48:48,462

Baking, I can, because it's an

exact recipe, you tell me exactly

:

00:48:48,462 --> 00:48:49,842

what to do and I can do that.

:

00:48:50,172 --> 00:48:52,962

But cooking is more of a soul sport.

:

00:48:52,992 --> 00:48:55,542

You know, you add a little bit

of this and a little bit of

:

00:48:55,542 --> 00:48:57,312

that, and I just don't have that.

:

00:48:57,529 --> 00:48:58,999

Dash: Well you have to get your reps.

:

00:48:59,399 --> 00:48:59,849

Beck: Yeah,

:

00:49:05,434 --> 00:49:06,904

but I grew up eating fast food.

:

00:49:06,964 --> 00:49:10,504

You know, my mom, my mom cooked,

but she also worked like your mom.

:

00:49:10,564 --> 00:49:13,454

And so we got a lot of food

delivery a lot of pizza

:

00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:13,900

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:49:14,354 --> 00:49:16,994

Beck: And there was a place

called Jim Dandy that had a big

:

00:49:16,994 --> 00:49:18,644

moment of Coke for 99 cents.

:

00:49:18,984 --> 00:49:20,454

And we would order like 20 of 'em

:

00:49:20,854 --> 00:49:21,214

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:49:21,614 --> 00:49:22,154

Beck: and

:

00:49:22,554 --> 00:49:27,124

Dash: you know, they had three

fucking corn fed growing kids.

:

00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,230

We became impossible to

feed as we got older.

:

00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:34,070

You know, like we, we, she tell, she

tells us all the time, she was like, I

:

00:49:34,070 --> 00:49:35,990

swear to God, all I did was feed y'all.

:

00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:40,830

And she would, you know, if she got

home immediately, she'd be in there

:

00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:45,220

fixing her big batch of hamburgers

or, or, uh, spaghetti or whatever.

:

00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:46,360

We would eat it up.

:

00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,260

And then she said two hours later we'd

be in, in there with our, in the kitchen

:

00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:52,930

with our head in the refrigerator

looking for something to eat on.

:

00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:53,260

And like,

:

00:49:53,429 --> 00:49:53,849

Beck: Oh yeah.

:

00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:55,600

Dash: I could see how

that would wear you down.

:

00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:56,139

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:49:56,539 --> 00:50:00,749

Dash: And so, like, you know, later they

would, they were more like trips up to

:

00:50:00,749 --> 00:50:03,659

Kentucky to get a pizza or something.

:

00:50:03,659 --> 00:50:05,999

It just that she had to go

so far out of her way and we

:

00:50:05,999 --> 00:50:08,039

never, who's nobody delivered.

:

00:50:08,439 --> 00:50:10,059

Beck: Giovanni's delivered to my house.

:

00:50:10,459 --> 00:50:12,139

Giovanni's was a wonderful place.

:

00:50:12,539 --> 00:50:15,389

I still troll their Facebook to this

day, and every time they're like, we

:

00:50:15,389 --> 00:50:17,729

have a new location or a new special.

:

00:50:17,729 --> 00:50:19,529

And I'm like, are you delivering Toledo?

:

00:50:19,929 --> 00:50:20,889

Or come to Toledo?

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00:50:20,919 --> 00:50:22,059

Like, I troll them.

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00:50:22,941 --> 00:50:23,171

Dash: Atem

:

00:50:23,861 --> 00:50:24,491

one day.

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00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:26,820

Beck: like, like bring

me a pizza or something.

:

00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:28,380

Just for a social media video.

:

00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:29,700

That would be amazing.

:

00:50:29,936 --> 00:50:32,076

Dash: Hell listeners,

let's make it happen.

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00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:36,480

Beck: I, really am Giovanni's billboard.

:

00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:38,730

Everybody I know knows Giovanni's.

:

00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,140

'cause I talk about it so much.

:

00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:40,170

I,

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00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:41,590

Dash: Sponsor GIO Buns.

:

00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:42,770

Beck: for real.

:

00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:45,930

Dash: I'm gonna see if I can

find that TikTok I saw of

:

00:50:45,930 --> 00:50:47,190

that woman making that stuff.

:

00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:48,610

And then we'll see.

:

00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:53,240

Maybe this weekend we'll see if, if,

uh, each of us can make it, I review it.

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00:50:53,490 --> 00:50:55,920

Do you want to tell us about a

noun of Appalachian interest?

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Beck: All right.

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00:50:56,941 --> 00:50:58,921

Today's noun of Appalachian interest

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00:50:59,097 --> 00:51:00,687

Dash: Of Appalachian interest is a man

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00:51:00,901 --> 00:51:05,551

Beck: and an Elvis loving icon is Jesco

White, also known as The Dancing Outlaw.

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00:51:05,971 --> 00:51:09,001

Now, if you've never heard of

Jesco White, buckle up a little.

:

00:51:09,331 --> 00:51:12,451

This man is from Boone County,

West Virginia, and he did not

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00:51:12,451 --> 00:51:13,921

just grow up around dancing.

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00:51:14,041 --> 00:51:15,391

He was born into it.

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00:51:15,691 --> 00:51:19,471

His dad, d Ray White was a

famous mountain dancer, and

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00:51:19,471 --> 00:51:21,271

Jesco grew up learning the trade.

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00:51:21,511 --> 00:51:22,801

And when I say dance, I

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00:51:22,882 --> 00:51:23,172

Dash: when

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00:51:23,281 --> 00:51:25,471

Beck: like a nice little

recital situation.

:

00:51:25,741 --> 00:51:29,491

Think tapping meets, clogging,

and they had a wild ass baby.

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00:51:29,851 --> 00:51:32,821

I mean, stomping so hard that it

feels like the porch might give out.

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00:51:33,221 --> 00:51:36,101

I mean rhythm that sounds like

it's coming from deep in the hills.

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00:51:36,341 --> 00:51:37,601

It's very loud, it's

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00:51:37,877 --> 00:51:38,287

Dash: very loud.

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00:51:38,471 --> 00:51:40,241

Beck: and it's often a little chaotic.

:

00:51:40,271 --> 00:51:43,991

It's very Appalachian in all

the best ways he's infamous in

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00:51:43,997 --> 00:51:44,687

Dash: Appalachian,

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00:51:45,141 --> 00:51:49,061

Beck: Jesco got to be well known

outside the region through a:

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00:51:49,061 --> 00:51:51,221

documentary called The Dancing Outlaw.

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00:51:51,281 --> 00:51:54,011

And let me tell you, the

title is not doing too much.

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00:51:54,191 --> 00:51:55,031

It fits.

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00:51:55,301 --> 00:51:57,581

This man dances like

he's in a showdown with

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00:51:57,682 --> 00:51:59,455

Dash: like he did with gravity and

:

00:51:59,534 --> 00:52:00,164

Beck: looks like it could

:

00:52:00,265 --> 00:52:00,655

Dash: every move looked

:

00:52:00,704 --> 00:52:00,884

Beck: but

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00:52:01,045 --> 00:52:02,735

Dash: like it could go from how it does

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00:52:02,754 --> 00:52:03,444

Beck: he just keeps

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00:52:03,485 --> 00:52:03,935

Dash: or it does.

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00:52:03,935 --> 00:52:04,325

He just,

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00:52:04,344 --> 00:52:05,004

Beck: gained wider,

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00:52:05,004 --> 00:52:05,334

Dash: he gave

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00:52:05,803 --> 00:52:09,703

Beck: with the:

wonderful Whites of West Virginia,

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00:52:09,973 --> 00:52:14,263

which if you haven't seen, also

encompasses the pure insanity of a

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00:52:14,469 --> 00:52:14,689

Dash: in,

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00:52:14,983 --> 00:52:17,773

Beck: existence and you're

totally missing out on the ride.

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00:52:18,253 --> 00:52:20,563

But here's the thing that

makes Jesco really interesting.

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00:52:20,653 --> 00:52:22,273

His life story is not neat.

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00:52:22,333 --> 00:52:24,433

It's messy, messier than your usual mess.

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00:52:24,918 --> 00:52:26,148

There's his family, which

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00:52:26,214 --> 00:52:27,364

Dash: there's his family, which is

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00:52:27,408 --> 00:52:28,698

Beck: and there's lots of struggle.

:

00:52:28,698 --> 00:52:32,658

There's loss and there's lots of ups and

downs, and right in the middle of all that

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00:52:32,754 --> 00:52:33,254

Dash: right in the middle of the.

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00:52:33,678 --> 00:52:36,048

Beck: Like dancing is the one

thing that keeps showing up no

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00:52:36,048 --> 00:52:37,548

matter what else is going on.

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00:52:37,848 --> 00:52:40,668

And that's kind of what makes

him feel so Appalachian.

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00:52:40,908 --> 00:52:41,838

It's not polished.

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00:52:41,838 --> 00:52:43,638

It's definitely not trying to be perfect.

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00:52:43,848 --> 00:52:44,538

It's real.

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00:52:44,538 --> 00:52:45,258

Did I mention that?

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00:52:45,258 --> 00:52:45,888

It's loud.

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00:52:46,158 --> 00:52:48,948

It's fun to watch A little wild,

and it carries history in it.

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00:52:49,158 --> 00:52:52,518

Even when it looks like absolute

chaos is tap dancing by the crick.

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00:52:52,968 --> 00:52:54,348

Also, I say this with love.

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00:52:54,348 --> 00:52:58,338

If Jesco White walked into a sheets

at 2:00 AM nobody would question it.

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00:52:58,338 --> 00:52:59,808

He would just be part of the scene.

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00:53:00,198 --> 00:53:01,518

So yeah, Jesco White, the

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00:53:01,524 --> 00:53:01,974

Dash: So, yeah,

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00:53:02,598 --> 00:53:04,338

Beck: proof that sometimes

culture looks like

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00:53:04,374 --> 00:53:04,824

Dash: sometimes

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00:53:04,998 --> 00:53:05,178

Beck: of a

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00:53:05,454 --> 00:53:07,464

Dash: like a whirlwind

of a man in tap shoes

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00:53:07,908 --> 00:53:08,508

Beck: like he's trying to

:

00:53:08,694 --> 00:53:10,074

Dash: stomping, like

he's trying to wake up.

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00:53:10,098 --> 00:53:12,438

Beck: That's this week's

noun of Appalachian interest.

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00:53:12,838 --> 00:53:17,038

Dash: Actually didn't know that

dancing was a, as much of a part of

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00:53:17,038 --> 00:53:20,068

that group of people as it as it is.

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00:53:20,522 --> 00:53:21,482

Beck: Yeah, it's tap dancing.

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00:53:21,482 --> 00:53:25,032

It too, there's a couple of scenes

where he has like, I don't know if

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00:53:25,032 --> 00:53:28,542

it's cardboard or plywood or what, but

he is literally dancing on the creek.

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00:53:28,942 --> 00:53:31,432

Dash: Well, they make, well his

was probably not this, but they

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00:53:31,432 --> 00:53:33,382

do make portable tap floors.

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00:53:33,401 --> 00:53:34,076

Beck: Yeah, yeah.

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00:53:34,276 --> 00:53:37,756

Dash: there's this dancer I

followed on Instagram named Melinda

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00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:40,066

Sullivan, who would do that.

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00:53:40,066 --> 00:53:42,766

Like she, her dancing, she would

use it as a, actually a percussion

:

00:53:42,766 --> 00:53:47,726

instrument and she would, uh, perform

with musicians and like they would be

:

00:53:47,726 --> 00:53:50,456

playing, you know, the upright bass.

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00:53:50,456 --> 00:53:52,301

And it was kind of jazz

that she did a lot of.

:

00:53:52,301 --> 00:53:54,836

But in her dancing was the

percussion of the song.

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00:53:54,836 --> 00:53:55,256

It was pretty cool.

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00:53:55,656 --> 00:53:56,406

Beck: That is cool.

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00:53:56,806 --> 00:54:00,586

He does usually have a fiddle player or

a banjo player or something with him.

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00:54:01,036 --> 00:54:04,696

But then there's the scene in the

Dancing Outlaw, uh, the part two.

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00:54:04,726 --> 00:54:07,646

'cause I, I went down a rabbit

hole the other day researching I

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00:54:07,646 --> 00:54:09,356

watched the Dancing Outlaw too.

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00:54:09,416 --> 00:54:14,456

Uh, Jesco goes to Hollywood and

he's dancing down the, the Walk of

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00:54:14,456 --> 00:54:17,756

Stars or whatever it's called, the

Hollywood Walk of Fame or whatever.

:

00:54:18,106 --> 00:54:20,236

Where the stars are, I

forget what it's called.

:

00:54:20,236 --> 00:54:21,676

My brain doesn't work this early in the

:

00:54:21,677 --> 00:54:22,717

Dash: I think it's walk of fame.

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00:54:23,117 --> 00:54:24,947

Beck: star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

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00:54:25,247 --> 00:54:26,027

That sounds right.

:

00:54:26,427 --> 00:54:29,667

Anyway, so he's just tap dancing with a

boombox on his shoulder and people look

:

00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:33,852

at him like he's crazy 'cause he's like

straight out of the, the hills of West

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00:54:33,852 --> 00:54:37,147

Virginia right there in the middle of

Hollywood and even making a commotion.

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00:54:37,477 --> 00:54:40,777

So it was, it's interesting

to see the spectacle, I think.

:

00:54:41,177 --> 00:54:46,907

Dash: I think that it's, a kind of like

shame, like internalized embarrassment

:

00:54:46,937 --> 00:54:53,267

about being a hillbilly that makes me

not wanna engage with media that is about

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00:54:53,667 --> 00:54:56,737

us, especially the documentary style.

:

00:54:57,137 --> 00:55:02,337

I had a reaction to seeing promos for

the wild and wonderful whites, and

:

00:55:02,397 --> 00:55:07,267

I have avoided, you know, engaging

with it or watching it or anything.

:

00:55:07,667 --> 00:55:08,897

I don't think that's a good thing.

:

00:55:08,897 --> 00:55:09,797

It's probably not healthy.

:

00:55:10,197 --> 00:55:11,297

Beck: Family connection.

:

00:55:11,297 --> 00:55:14,327

Shanna's aunt by marriage

is related to the whites.

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00:55:14,727 --> 00:55:14,997

Dash: Cool.

:

00:55:15,301 --> 00:55:17,971

Beck: Her, her uncle, married

someone related to the whites.

:

00:55:18,371 --> 00:55:19,356

It is a small state.

:

00:55:19,356 --> 00:55:20,916

There's gotta be some connection, right?

:

00:55:21,316 --> 00:55:23,441

Dash: Do you have any

famous cousins or relatives?

:

00:55:23,841 --> 00:55:27,061

Beck: There's a guy named Chris

Collingsworth, who is, he was

:

00:55:27,061 --> 00:55:31,986

an NFL player and a commentator

for and the NFL TV stuff.

:

00:55:32,206 --> 00:55:33,286

He's a distant cousin.

:

00:55:33,486 --> 00:55:35,017

Dash: Really, everybody hates him.

:

00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:35,900

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:36,630

I didn't know

:

00:55:37,465 --> 00:55:37,945

Dash: Oh, yeah, yeah.

:

00:55:37,945 --> 00:55:40,075

I follow, I was raised on football, so

:

00:55:40,304 --> 00:55:41,835

I knew him as a, a player.

:

00:55:42,235 --> 00:55:45,565

Beck: so I've told you many times

about the, the family history that the

:

00:55:45,565 --> 00:55:47,915

Magoffin County historical Society did.

:

00:55:48,165 --> 00:55:49,695

We are both in that, so.

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00:55:49,895 --> 00:55:50,745

Dash: That is cool.

:

00:55:51,321 --> 00:55:56,091

Beck: One of the, my favorite things about

that book is the wide variety of names.

:

00:55:56,371 --> 00:55:59,581

There was somebody named

America, Texas in it.

:

00:55:59,817 --> 00:56:03,394

so one time we went to a baseball

game where my nephew was playing.

:

00:56:03,394 --> 00:56:07,054

It was still the pandemic, so we were

all outside and I brought the books with

:

00:56:07,054 --> 00:56:08,224

me and we kind of looked through 'em.

:

00:56:08,584 --> 00:56:12,904

And my adopted father's name was Mark,

and we were talking about my niece having

:

00:56:12,904 --> 00:56:17,554

a baby, and there's a name in the, in the

book, somebody named Their Child Skid.

:

00:56:17,884 --> 00:56:20,734

And we were like, you should name it

after that, it should be Little Skid Mark,

:

00:56:21,134 --> 00:56:21,424

Dash: Skid.

:

00:56:21,824 --> 00:56:23,864

Beck: skid, SKID as a,

:

00:56:23,875 --> 00:56:24,745

Dash: Wow.

:

00:56:25,075 --> 00:56:25,765

Okay.

:

00:56:25,904 --> 00:56:27,434

Beck: interesting names in there.

:

00:56:27,834 --> 00:56:33,724

Like, I come, I like, my grandfather

is Conway Archibald, uh, like names

:

00:56:33,724 --> 00:56:35,464

like that all the way through there.

:

00:56:35,794 --> 00:56:36,184

So.

:

00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:40,100

Dash: my granny parrot was her,

she was born on the 4th of July,

:

00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,475

so her middle name was Columbia.

:

00:56:44,152 --> 00:56:48,322

after Columbus, I guess, which

in their mind was somehow

:

00:56:48,322 --> 00:56:49,942

related to the 4th of July.

:

00:56:50,589 --> 00:56:52,839

Education wasn't a strong suit in Eagan.

:

00:56:53,643 --> 00:56:55,388

Beck: An interesting

thing about family names.

:

00:56:55,623 --> 00:57:00,003

My great-grandfather, everyone

knew him as Jefferson D.

:

00:57:00,153 --> 00:57:04,233

And if asked if asked, he would've told

you that his name was Jefferson Davis.

:

00:57:04,233 --> 00:57:05,343

And then my last name.

:

00:57:05,343 --> 00:57:05,673

Right.

:

00:57:06,153 --> 00:57:09,933

After doing some research and

finding the family history and

:

00:57:09,933 --> 00:57:14,043

all of that, his name was actually

Thomas Jefferson, my last name.

:

00:57:14,443 --> 00:57:17,593

And if you think about the political

implications of changing your

:

00:57:17,784 --> 00:57:18,074

Dash: Yeah,

:

00:57:18,493 --> 00:57:21,823

Beck: Jefferson to Jefferson

Davis and Jefferson was both my

:

00:57:21,823 --> 00:57:23,473

father and brother's middle name.

:

00:57:23,873 --> 00:57:27,143

that's wild to me that he, he

flipped the politics there.

:

00:57:27,143 --> 00:57:29,783

I, I think my great grandpapa

would've been a Trumper pretty

:

00:57:29,783 --> 00:57:31,043

much is what I'm saying.

:

00:57:31,474 --> 00:57:32,324

Dash: yeah, for sure.

:

00:57:32,423 --> 00:57:32,843

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:57:33,243 --> 00:57:36,993

Dash: It's like, um, Forrest Gump, who's

named after Nathan Bedford Forests.

:

00:57:38,883 --> 00:57:40,233

wouldn't admit that shit.

:

00:57:45,675 --> 00:57:47,175

Beck: do you know who you're named after?

:

00:57:47,415 --> 00:57:49,395

I know your middle name is

after your brother, but do you

:

00:57:49,395 --> 00:57:50,565

know who you're named after?

:

00:57:50,965 --> 00:57:52,580

Dash: Oh, that what I named

:

00:57:53,707 --> 00:57:54,007

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:57:54,407 --> 00:57:56,577

Dash: It's, it just means green

:

00:57:57,547 --> 00:57:58,447

like nature.

:

00:57:58,447 --> 00:58:01,357

I don't, I didn't know

that until after the fact.

:

00:58:01,447 --> 00:58:02,797

So it was a nickname, right?

:

00:58:02,797 --> 00:58:04,057

Like my birth name.

:

00:58:04,287 --> 00:58:06,897

Even my parents didn't call

me that when I was a kid.

:

00:58:07,017 --> 00:58:09,027

Like it has never fit.

:

00:58:09,427 --> 00:58:14,737

And they were intending so they thought

I was gonna be a cis boy and they

:

00:58:14,737 --> 00:58:16,327

had planned to name me after my dad.

:

00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:22,247

So when I was born, they named me the girl

version of his name and then just called

:

00:58:22,247 --> 00:58:24,467

me his name and they still call me that.

:

00:58:24,467 --> 00:58:26,957

They don't call me by

the name I gave myself.

:

00:58:27,157 --> 00:58:30,127

'Cause I went, I got a different

nickname when I went to college

:

00:58:30,527 --> 00:58:31,997

' cause everybody was like that.

:

00:58:32,087 --> 00:58:33,167

That doesn't fit.

:

00:58:33,167 --> 00:58:35,417

Like every, everywhere I went,

people were like, that don't fit.

:

00:58:35,477 --> 00:58:36,497

I'm calling you something else.

:

00:58:36,897 --> 00:58:38,067

So I just kept that.

:

00:58:38,562 --> 00:58:41,772

When I'm, because remember, like even

before I transitioned, when I moved up

:

00:58:41,772 --> 00:58:43,092

there, I was already going by the name.

:

00:58:43,092 --> 00:58:43,722

I'm going by now.

:

00:58:43,722 --> 00:58:45,462

I never changed it 'cause I just that,

:

00:58:45,631 --> 00:58:46,021

Beck: yeah.

:

00:58:47,071 --> 00:58:47,941

name I've ever known you by.

:

00:58:48,772 --> 00:58:49,132

Dash: right.

:

00:58:49,132 --> 00:58:49,522

Yeah.

:

00:58:49,582 --> 00:58:54,232

And again, I got that, I got that nickname

in college and I was like, fine, whatever.

:

00:58:54,322 --> 00:58:56,482

Uh, 'cause I never been

called by birth name.

:

00:58:56,882 --> 00:59:00,362

Um, and so my family still

calls me my dad's name.

:

00:59:00,762 --> 00:59:00,972

Beck: That's

:

00:59:01,699 --> 00:59:06,229

Dash: I kind of, I wish I had just

changed my name to his legally.

:

00:59:06,439 --> 00:59:10,579

At the time I, I know, I remember

thinking about it and I chose

:

00:59:10,579 --> 00:59:14,209

not to do it because I was afraid

that he would be disgusted by me.

:

00:59:14,609 --> 00:59:17,699

So I, I didn't know if he

was gonna sever ties with me.

:

00:59:18,099 --> 00:59:23,469

I, and so I was like, if, if I name

myself after him and then he hates me,

:

00:59:23,869 --> 00:59:25,609

then I'm not gonna like my name anymore.

:

00:59:26,009 --> 00:59:26,399

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:59:26,815 --> 00:59:31,735

Dash: So, and I wanted to, to have

faith that he wouldn't be like that.

:

00:59:31,795 --> 00:59:37,047

But this was during his, like hardcore

he wasn't yet fully out of his very

:

00:59:37,047 --> 00:59:41,307

hardcore right wing also Baptist phase.

:

00:59:41,307 --> 00:59:44,017

Like he, he was very strong in that stuff.

:

00:59:44,257 --> 00:59:47,917

Like he told me that he think he thought

tattooing was the mark of the beast.

:

00:59:48,097 --> 00:59:48,877

Shit like that.

:

00:59:49,277 --> 00:59:49,697

Beck: Oh wow.

:

00:59:50,097 --> 00:59:53,037

Dash: yeah, it's weird to think

back of him being that much now.

:

00:59:53,037 --> 00:59:54,447

He thinks Trump is the antichrist.

:

00:59:54,447 --> 00:59:56,427

So I'm like, okay, that's

still fucking crazy.

:

00:59:56,427 --> 01:00:00,297

But at least we agree that like at

least your politics have come back

:

01:00:00,297 --> 01:00:03,417

to a place where I'm less scared.

:

01:00:03,735 --> 01:00:07,545

Beck: if I had been born a boy, my

mom was gonna name me Bradford Elliot.

:

01:00:08,421 --> 01:00:09,981

Dash: Oh, you dodged, you

dodged a bullet there.

:

01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:10,610

Beck: for real.

:

01:00:11,505 --> 01:00:13,575

Dash: Bradford Elliot, what in the fuck?

:

01:00:13,975 --> 01:00:16,205

What is, what does Bradford do?

:

01:00:16,205 --> 01:00:24,356

Bradford is is the, awkward lead in

a fanfic about Friday night lights

:

01:00:24,756 --> 01:00:26,706

or varsity blues or some shit.

:

01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:30,250

Beck: Bradford I've ever known, uh,

was the son of my English teacher in

:

01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:33,580

high school, and he's queer, so that's

the only Bradford I've ever known,

:

01:00:33,980 --> 01:00:35,540

Dash: The only Bradford I know is a tree.

:

01:00:35,940 --> 01:00:36,930

Beck: well, yeah, the pair.

:

01:00:37,330 --> 01:00:38,620

and then my middle name.

:

01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:44,020

So I was named after my, my dad had a

sister that died in a fire with her kids

:

01:00:44,050 --> 01:00:45,940

well before I was born in the sixties.

:

01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:49,580

And she had four kids

and one of them was named

:

01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:53,070

And so I got the, my first name from that.

:

01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:54,750

And then my middle name came from my aunt.

:

01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,870

Mom let my, she, my mom was

tired by the time I got around

:

01:00:57,870 --> 01:00:59,190

and she just let my dad name me.

:

01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,510

So they're both from his family.

:

01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:04,250

Dash: Yeah, I think that's

what happened for Vanessa.

:

01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:08,140

They chose just names so that she

would have the same initials as me.

:

01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:12,480

That probably didn't feel good, you

know, like growing up, realizing like,

:

01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:16,450

oh, you couldn't even, you were just

so tired of coming up with new names

:

01:01:16,450 --> 01:01:18,610

for kids that you just, whatever.

:

01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:22,760

Beck: My brother was a junior

and my sister Marcy, there's no

:

01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,700

Marcy's in my family, but her

middle name was my grandmother's.

:

01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:27,570

I don't know where Marcy came from.

:

01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:28,060

Dash: Yeah.

:

01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:30,880

None of us got family

names that I know of.

:

01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,410

David, like his middle name was Keith.

:

01:01:33,810 --> 01:01:34,560

I don't know.

:

01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,410

I've actually never met a

fucking Keith in real life.

:

01:01:37,410 --> 01:01:39,150

Beck: I've got a cousin

named Johnny Keith.

:

01:01:39,666 --> 01:01:41,226

Dash: Keith, I mean, he

is a good middle name.

:

01:01:41,226 --> 01:01:42,786

I, I think it actually kind of works.

:

01:01:43,013 --> 01:01:45,383

Beck: there was a Keith that lived

across the street from me growing up.

:

01:01:45,783 --> 01:01:49,173

Dash: Yeah, I, he's the only one I

ever knew and he couldn't pronounce it.

:

01:01:49,173 --> 01:01:51,993

Like, he had a, a pretty

pronounced speech impediment.

:

01:01:52,113 --> 01:01:57,376

Uh, and so he, he pronounced it Devil

Teeth, his name, but he couldn't say

:

01:01:57,376 --> 01:01:59,206

David Keith, it came out Devil Teeth.

:

01:01:59,606 --> 01:02:03,486

So that's still one of my, like,

we, some people called him that,

:

01:02:03,486 --> 01:02:05,886

like not, they didn't make fun

of him, like the kids at school.

:

01:02:05,886 --> 01:02:07,176

They didn't seem to put it together.

:

01:02:07,176 --> 01:02:09,516

I don't think kids, when you're

young enough to have those

:

01:02:09,516 --> 01:02:10,746

kind of problems, I don't know.

:

01:02:11,146 --> 01:02:15,016

You only really get pegged with

it if it persists into like middle

:

01:02:15,016 --> 01:02:17,876

school and you still have that,

that kind of speech impediment.

:

01:02:18,326 --> 01:02:22,376

But like we had a, a family friend and

babysitters that called him Devil Teeth.

:

01:02:22,776 --> 01:02:24,186

I thought it was hysterical.

:

01:02:24,586 --> 01:02:25,961

Well, you're given a final today.

:

01:02:26,361 --> 01:02:29,841

Beck: Yes, at three o'clock

today for women's studies.

:

01:02:30,231 --> 01:02:33,861

Uh, well, my, my online class, it

opened at midnight and it's open

:

01:02:33,861 --> 01:02:35,451

until midnight tomorrow night.

:

01:02:35,451 --> 01:02:39,621

I give them 48 hours to take it,

and then my women's studies final

:

01:02:39,621 --> 01:02:43,071

is this afternoon, and then tomorrow

I give two more and then I don't

:

01:02:43,071 --> 01:02:44,661

have to leave my house until August.

:

01:02:44,721 --> 01:02:46,611

So I am very stoked about that.

:

01:02:46,611 --> 01:02:50,301

I've got plans to write and write

and write and write and write.

:

01:02:50,541 --> 01:02:54,051

I am, we are going to West Virginia in

a couple of weeks, so I will be going

:

01:02:54,051 --> 01:02:58,941

to get some tutors and some giovannis

and hugs from my mother-in-law and such.

:

01:02:59,361 --> 01:03:02,901

So I am, I get to see my best

friend again, so that's good.

:

01:03:03,131 --> 01:03:04,931

Dash: Come back with the Giovanni sauce.

:

01:03:05,161 --> 01:03:07,751

Beck: Yeah, we haven't been

home in almost two years, so.

:

01:03:08,182 --> 01:03:08,842

Dash: Uh, me neither.

:

01:03:08,842 --> 01:03:09,862

Yeah, I just.

:

01:03:10,262 --> 01:03:11,942

It's been two and a half years.

:

01:03:12,342 --> 01:03:15,702

Beck: Shanna went home for, uh, Tracy's

mom's funeral, but I had to teach.

:

01:03:15,972 --> 01:03:17,562

So she's been home since I have.

:

01:03:17,842 --> 01:03:21,772

But I haven't been home since October of

24, so it's been a year and a half or so.

:

01:03:22,409 --> 01:03:23,459

when we got mom moved,

:

01:03:23,859 --> 01:03:24,913

Dash: that was the last time I went home,

:

01:03:25,314 --> 01:03:25,614

Beck: yeah,

:

01:03:25,790 --> 01:03:26,660

Dash: or it was November.

:

01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:29,190

Beck: I can't believe it's been

that long since I've had Giovanni's.

:

01:03:29,590 --> 01:03:31,005

Dash: You ought to shriveled

up and died by now.

:

01:03:31,364 --> 01:03:32,354

Beck: A little bit.

:

01:03:32,354 --> 01:03:33,014

A little bit.

:

01:03:33,413 --> 01:03:34,194

Shit's good.

:

01:03:34,594 --> 01:03:35,884

Dash: Good luck to your students.

:

01:03:36,284 --> 01:03:36,614

Beck: Thank you.

:

01:03:36,619 --> 01:03:37,184

I'll tell 'em to break

:

01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,340

Dash: I'm, uh, I'm gonna

apply for some more jobs.

:

01:03:41,740 --> 01:03:42,580

Beck: Have fun with that.

:

01:03:42,980 --> 01:03:43,160

Dash: Yeah,

:

01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:43,650

Beck: If you

:

01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,660

something, hook me up and I'll, I'll,

I'll talk all kinds of good stuff for you.

:

01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:50,170

I've got a friend who, I've been their

:

01:03:50,511 --> 01:03:51,021

Dash: I've done it

:

01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:51,460

Beck: there.

:

01:03:52,707 --> 01:03:53,517

I'm like, who am I this

:

01:03:53,648 --> 01:03:56,478

Dash: like for, for something, for a job.

:

01:03:56,478 --> 01:03:58,698

It has to be somebody that

actually have worked with.

:

01:03:58,698 --> 01:04:04,528

But you know, there have been people

that like, have, I've, I've worked

:

01:04:04,528 --> 01:04:08,488

with them in a way that I wound

up mentoring them as much, if not

:

01:04:08,488 --> 01:04:10,408

more than their actual supervisor.

:

01:04:10,858 --> 01:04:12,298

And I outranked them.

:

01:04:12,298 --> 01:04:16,758

And so I've, I've, and I've supervised

'em on projects and stuff, so I'm

:

01:04:16,758 --> 01:04:17,928

not like, totally making shit up.

:

01:04:17,958 --> 01:04:22,078

'cause you can't, you can't for a job

recommendation, they're gonna be specific.

:

01:04:22,478 --> 01:04:22,768

Beck: Yeah.

:

01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:24,699

Dash: And they're gonna

look at your LinkedIn.

:

01:04:24,759 --> 01:04:26,739

And so if you're not connected

with that person, if it doesn't

:

01:04:26,739 --> 01:04:28,538

line up, it, it don't work.

:

01:04:28,648 --> 01:04:30,028

Beck: I don't have a LinkedIn right now.

:

01:04:30,058 --> 01:04:31,168

I totally deleted it.

:

01:04:31,568 --> 01:04:32,138

Dash: I mean.

:

01:04:32,538 --> 01:04:35,653

It's, I, I actually wanted to show

you something I found a long time

:

01:04:35,653 --> 01:04:37,183

ago because it's getting weird.

:

01:04:37,183 --> 01:04:40,223

People are doing strange

stuff, but I couldn't find it.

:

01:04:40,473 --> 01:04:43,663

It's, it's a strange place, but you

have to have one if you're gonna be

:

01:04:43,663 --> 01:04:45,313

on the job market, unfortunately.

:

01:04:45,713 --> 01:04:47,333

Beck: Well, I'll wait

till I am to do that.

:

01:04:47,603 --> 01:04:51,203

I just don't like my information being

so widely publicly available, I have a

:

01:04:52,103 --> 01:04:52,343

So,

:

01:04:52,343 --> 01:04:55,043

I'm, I'm invisible on the internet

and I like to keep it that way.

:

01:04:55,443 --> 01:04:56,313

I meet all kinds of people.

:

01:04:56,313 --> 01:04:58,623

Like I went to a high school

with a person with your name.

:

01:04:58,863 --> 01:05:01,723

Like I get that like

twice a year probably.

:

01:05:02,123 --> 01:05:08,463

Dash: There's an ad on like Pluto or

something, some commercial for a service,

:

01:05:08,523 --> 01:05:14,803

and it starts out and it, it catches

me so off guard every time because

:

01:05:15,043 --> 01:05:18,583

it says Sabrina Gonzalez's, no idiot.

:

01:05:18,613 --> 01:05:20,413

And I was like, who said she was?

:

01:05:21,764 --> 01:05:22,514

What'd you say?

:

01:05:24,576 --> 01:05:26,076

Yeah, I've seen it so many times.

:

01:05:26,076 --> 01:05:27,366

I still don't know what

they're trying to sell me.

:

01:05:27,366 --> 01:05:31,087

'cause every, every time I

like, I'm, I'm just activated.

:

01:05:31,087 --> 01:05:35,378

I'm on level a hundred by

the first sentence like that.

:

01:05:35,596 --> 01:05:39,557

I hadn't thought about that, but if you

use some, a real name and you say some

:

01:05:39,617 --> 01:05:43,877

inflammatory shit, like your hook, is that

like there's at least a handful of people

:

01:05:43,877 --> 01:05:47,247

who know somebody with that name out there

and they don't hear the rest of that ad.

:

01:05:47,647 --> 01:05:49,417

Beck: My friend Brian sent me a picture.

:

01:05:49,417 --> 01:05:53,497

He was driving on 64 in West Virginia,

and somebody in a big red truck had

:

01:05:53,497 --> 01:05:56,767

a big, had, I don't know how they had

it on there, but they had it printed

:

01:05:56,767 --> 01:06:00,067

on the back of their window that it

had my name, and it said is a thief.

:

01:06:00,127 --> 01:06:02,647

They had misspelled thief,

but that's what it said.

:

01:06:02,979 --> 01:06:03,699

Dash: love to see that.

:

01:06:04,422 --> 01:06:06,702

Beck: so I, I, it was in

my memories the other day.

:

01:06:06,762 --> 01:06:09,057

I, I, I, I don't know

how I would get to it.

:

01:06:09,247 --> 01:06:10,837

If I find it again, I'll show it to you,

:

01:06:11,067 --> 01:06:14,007

Dash: I tagged you in something, but I

think I don't, I'm not sure if you were

:

01:06:14,007 --> 01:06:16,137

friends with the person who posted it.

:

01:06:16,925 --> 01:06:18,575

he lives in Bowling Green down there.

:

01:06:18,999 --> 01:06:20,199

Beck: uh, I don't know that name.

:

01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:21,680

Dash: You would love him.

:

01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,360

You guys, I've gotta introduce you.

:

01:06:23,941 --> 01:06:25,531

he's just a really sweet guy.

:

01:06:25,531 --> 01:06:28,741

He's the, the big gay

bartender at City Tap there.

:

01:06:29,021 --> 01:06:32,361

But he found something, I'll go back

and get the picture and show it to you,

:

01:06:32,361 --> 01:06:37,991

but it was a Mountain Dew, a Special

Mountain Dew can that said American Dew.

:

01:06:38,441 --> 01:06:42,171

It had sar, it had the, the flag on it,

you know, I don't know if it was the 4th

:

01:06:42,171 --> 01:06:46,461

of July special or whatever, but he just

posted it the other day and it was just

:

01:06:46,461 --> 01:06:49,811

so like, what the, what does American Dew?

:

01:06:50,221 --> 01:06:53,221

Mountain Dew was already about

as American as you can get.

:

01:06:53,671 --> 01:06:55,021

Not only that, but it was diet.

:

01:06:57,591 --> 01:07:01,311

So I already don't know what American

Dew is, but what is Diet American do?

:

01:07:02,454 --> 01:07:04,284

I'll find it 'cause I tagged

you in it and then I was like,

:

01:07:04,434 --> 01:07:05,364

maybe they don't know each other.

:

01:07:05,364 --> 01:07:09,454

They absolutely should, but, so I'll

find it and should send it to you.

:

01:07:09,578 --> 01:07:13,068

Beck: only bar I've been to in BG

is Grumpy Dave's for Trivia Night.

:

01:07:13,068 --> 01:07:14,808

That's the only bar I've stepped foot in.

:

01:07:15,228 --> 01:07:15,738

So

:

01:07:15,794 --> 01:07:16,094

Dash: Yeah,

:

01:07:16,158 --> 01:07:19,008

Beck: you call, unless you count

Beckett's Burger Bar, and I don't

:

01:07:19,008 --> 01:07:20,748

really count that for burgers.

:

01:07:21,148 --> 01:07:25,178

Dash: no City tap was the place

that, uh, I would go for music.

:

01:07:25,238 --> 01:07:28,628

And we, you know, I would, we would

go to there and drink sometimes 'cause

:

01:07:28,628 --> 01:07:31,358

it was right next, it was down the

street from the apartment I lived in.

:

01:07:31,832 --> 01:07:31,932

Beck: Yeah.

:

01:07:32,182 --> 01:07:33,652

Dash: And so that was kind of their thing.

:

01:07:33,652 --> 01:07:35,932

Like it was predominantly

a live music venue.

:

01:07:38,833 --> 01:07:40,933

All right, well, we

better go get to our days.

:

01:07:41,402 --> 01:07:41,822

Beck: Yeah.

:

01:07:42,212 --> 01:07:43,982

I gotta go get showered

and get outta here soon.

:

01:07:44,382 --> 01:07:44,982

Dash: All right.

:

01:07:45,012 --> 01:07:48,112

Well, happy, uh, whatever

day this comes out.

:

01:07:48,112 --> 01:07:48,742

Listeners.

:

01:07:49,448 --> 01:07:52,268

We had some technical

difficulties this week,

:

01:07:52,737 --> 01:07:53,277

Beck: I like how you

:

01:07:53,588 --> 01:07:54,303

Dash: how you described it.

:

01:07:54,327 --> 01:07:54,717

Beck: line.

:

01:07:55,178 --> 01:07:55,778

Dash: Yeah.

:

01:07:55,778 --> 01:07:59,048

I mean, you know, we've just, we've

had some trials and tribulations

:

01:07:59,048 --> 01:08:00,338

lately with the internet.

:

01:08:00,338 --> 01:08:01,928

We're, we're gonna try our best to fix it.

:

01:08:02,328 --> 01:08:06,329

We're only, Human, but

you know, have a good one.

:

01:08:06,659 --> 01:08:07,288

Stay safe.

:

01:08:07,319 --> 01:08:10,049

Hope it's sunny where you are,

and say hi to your mom and them.

:

01:08:10,449 --> 01:08:10,669

Beck: Bye.

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