Episode 21

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20th Oct 2025

Patriarchy Chicken

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'Queernecks,' hosts Beck and Dash share personal medical stories and humorous experiences related to medication side effects. Dash talks about his medical modeling stint and various health issues, including cellulitis that landed him in the hospital during graduate school. The hosts reminisce about their encounters in graduate classes, various pranks and vandalism tales from their youth, and delve into a range of topics from women's baseball leagues to film theory, Roy Rogers, and historical Hollywood. They also discuss the societal challenges faced by queer individuals in different spaces, including gyms and dojos. A humorous sponsor segment, 'Mean Ass Barn Cats,' adds to the eclectic mix of conversations. The episode wraps up with plans for a Halloween live broadcast and a potential Christmas party.

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Transcript
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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Welcome

to Queernecks, the podcast that puts

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the Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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every time I start a new

medication , within hours, I've

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got every side effect in column A

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I

am pretty good about that too.

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There's one drug called Farxiga.

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They added a side effect

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Because they met you.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: yeah,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Wait, really?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: like really?

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Wow.

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Well now, now you're a, what is

it when you're, you're a medical,

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you have a medical legacy.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I'm also a

paid medical model who can say that?

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: What is that?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: So, um, I

have issues with the veins in my legs.

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I've had nine ablations done

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on them.

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Um, and so the doctor, when I

had my wound, um, he, he was,

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there was like a conference of

vascular doctors in Cincinnati.

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So he had me come down at like eight

o'clock in the morning and I went

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on the stage and there were like a

hundred doctors in the crowd and he

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did a live like, uh, Doppler on my legs

to show them how weird my veins are.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Wow.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

Yeah, I got a Visa gift card,

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so I was a paid model, man.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: That's cool.

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I mean, I don't, how did that feel?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

Weird, but whatever.

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They were doctors.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Right.

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It's kind of like, boy, this feels

like the definition of a lot of

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versions of exploitation, but also

people need to know how bodies work.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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Apparently it was news to them that

my legs would be bigger in the, in the

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evening than they are in the morning.

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And I'm like, I figured that was like

common knowledge, you know, and it was

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not apparently so.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Wow.

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I did not know this about you.

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That's very cool.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Well, I remember

when we met, you were having, you were

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still having some of them troubles.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah, I got,

um, cellulitis, uh, below my knee.

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Um, that was no fun.

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I was in the hospital for a week,

my first week of grad school.

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I ended up in the hospital.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Wow.

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So very shortly after that

first day we met at orientation.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: It was

like my, it was like Thursday

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of, or something of that week.

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It was the first time that I

had theory with Ellen Berry.

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Um, and I left that class and came

home and I had gotten Wendy's, like

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Wendy's had this pretzel bacon pub

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sandwich.

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That was delicious.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: that

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one many

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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And I stopped and I got one

and I brought it home and just

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set it down and went to bed.

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And Shana was like, what?

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Because that was not like me.

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I bring food home, I'm gonna eat

it, I'm gonna eater and I like food.

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I don't like junk.

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I like food.

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And I just went to bed and I ended

up in the hospital later that night.

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So, yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

I did not know that.

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But, uh, I did notice that you one week

you just sort of spawned in theory class,

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like you hadn't been there for a while

and then all of a sudden you were there.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: So

that I guess, explains that.

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My God, what a class that was

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. beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

Yeah, it was interesting.

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I took theory twice with my

master's and my, uh, and my PhD.

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Um, I'm still not great with theory,

but I've took it, taken it twice.

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It's, it's just difficult

material, you know?

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I took it with Ellen Berry

and then I took it with mk,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I took

it twice also, but, um, I did my

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master's at a different school.

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it was lit theory, which is a

lot of the humanities and, social

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sciencey, the softer social

sciencey, disciplines use the same.

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Most of the same scholars,

most of the same, schools of

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theory, but in different ways.

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So taking lit theory at my master's was

really just reading the same stuff but

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thinking about it in a different context.

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But we also took a shitload of pedagogy,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: makes sense.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I

remember that class though.

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I was like, yeah, I've taken theory, but

like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I'm glad I

wasn't the only one that felt that way.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Oh my God.

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Well, I tell you what you missed

on the first day of class was me

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and Eric, like we, uh, became, you

know, buddies pretty quickly and

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we were in all the same classes.

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So we sat next to each

other on that first day.

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And God, he's such a cunt.

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He made me laugh so hard.

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Like I had just like raised my bottle

of water to my lips and Ellen Berry was

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going around, talking about things, right?

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She was just Ellen Berrying

around and he just like leaned

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over and seethed in my ear.

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I hate this.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

And it was so unexpected.

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I had, I, I had not met anybody like

that yet, who would just go like, say

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that out loud, like, what in the hell?

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And so I, laughed and I spat this water

all over the table and everybody like,

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and he starts laughing because it's such

a ridiculous, like something out of a

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sitcom or something he's going like,

oh my God, I'm so embarrassed for you.

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Which only made me laugh harder.

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And so we're just like making this fucking

spectacle of ourselves in this very, like,

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that class was a very, I think a lot of

people just really wanted to impress that

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we did not start out impressing anybody,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: my meeting

yesterday was very productive.

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We're gonna get me a new grad rep.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Okay.

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Awesome.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I'm very excited about that.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yes.

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I'm glad you brought that up off

air, we talked a lot about your

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pretty, cool project, but you had

a big kid meeting with someone with

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a lot of say, over your progress.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

And he said to watch out.

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Every time he sees me in the hallway,

he's gonna ask me how it's going.

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I was like, that's fine.

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That's totally fine.

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You know, I

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just gotta, I just gotta figure

out how to get the work in,

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like time to carve it out.

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I'm friends with Mabel Blair on

Facebook, and she was one of the

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original girls in the All American

Girls Professional Baseball League,

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and she, um, gained some fame.

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Um, she's like 95 now, and she

gained some fame because she came

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out as a lesbian in her late eighties

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and

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: out a pitch?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah,

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and I'm friends with her on Facebook.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Awesome.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah, you

should definitely like, ask her if

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you could send her some questions.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That.

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Yeah, I've, I've already thought of that.

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So I've been, I've been cultivating

that friendship for over a year.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

That's how you do it.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yep,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: So there is

gonna be a women's baseball league,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

Yeah, it's starting next year.

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They've already had tryouts, their

first draft, um, over 600 women showed

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up, which I think is really cool.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I'm, seriously,

picturing that, uh, scene in a league

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of their own Now, of the tryouts.

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I, this is one of my favorite scenes.

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First of all, I love a montage.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: A

Penny Marshall Montage at that.

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Like,

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she's particularly skilled that's a

very specific style of editing did you

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take that film theory class with us?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: No,

I've never taken a film theory.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Okay.

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Well, in it, this was the first

time I, learned anything about like,

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film approaches, like approaches

to, um, analyzing film and how

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it's different from other texts.

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And there's apparently this

kind of like beef rivalry.

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I don't know how animated it

really is because I can easily

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see both sides in film analysis.

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circles that, like one side believes

that the majority of the meaning Comes

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from the editing, how it's edited

afterwards, and the others, say that

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the meaning is produced more from the

actor's performance than the editing

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. I don't know.

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I could see it either way, but, it is,

it is true that both of those things

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are ways to produce meaning And so the

way Penny Marshalls, montages are like,

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some of them aren't even montages.

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Some of them like, it's like.

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Just the way she chooses.

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to block a scene, for instance, I always

get a really big laugh out of the gag

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in that movie where they're trying

to catch the train and the camera is,

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we are looking out the train door.

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So we are moving and we're

looking out the train door.

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As Dottie runs back and forth, she runs

to catch up with the train, throws a

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briefcase and then she shows back up

again and she's like throwing kit that's a

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very particular Penny Marshall style gag.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: There's,

there were a lot of ways to tell

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that story and it, I think it

would've been a little shittier

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had there not been the humor in it.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: right.

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No, I agree with that completely.

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It was a necessary character of its own.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

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Right.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Like the

whole, I still quote Marla Hooch, I

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still do her dance around the house.

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I had a friend whose mom's name was Marla,

and we always called her Marla Hooch,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

I bet she loved that.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: she was a bit

of a drunk, so it was kind of oxymoronic.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I remember

that big old house they were at,

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that they filmed that in Kentucky.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Oh yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Yeah, it was western Kentucky.

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several sections of it were

filmed in Kentucky, and one was,

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I think the baseball stadium, I

think the stadium at, um, or one

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of them, they shot it at several.

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Um, but one of them was

there in Henderson, Kentucky.

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I remember that.

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Just because my, my

cousin got to be an extra.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That's awesome.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: And I only,

well, I probably would've found that out

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anyway, but I remember my aunt at the

time was super upset about Madonna . She

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was really like slut shammy and mad about

Madonna, being in Kentucky or something.

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I remember being like,

this is a kind of outrage.

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I don't know how you

even managed to conjure,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: but now

having lived a life of watching

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people do that very thing, whatever.

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Do you remember Madonna's

song from the movie?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

Um, take, is it take a bow?

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That

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plus, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: sappy ass song.

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That's one of the worst songs she ever

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: yeah, for sure.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: It

was a cool music video though.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I don't remember it.

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I never, I never watched a lot

of MTV or anything like that.

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It wasn't my jam, I guess.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: had all these,

um, photos of like the original players

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and things in it.

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Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I'll

have to go back and look at that.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Just watch

it on mute, turn on a different song.

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And

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

That's how I feel about artists

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like J-Lo and Britney Spears.

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I like 'em way better On mute.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: J-Lo, I

don't know much of her stuff, honestly.

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I know there's one song that

I jammed to really hard.

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There was a, I'll get obsessed with songs.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Same.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: maybe

they'll just come into your life at

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a very particular time and you're

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like, this is me.

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This is my personality for

the next several weeks.

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Just get used to it folks.

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And so there was this song that

I think it was called I Love

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You Poppy, stupid stupid song.

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But it's just, it was so catchy.

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It was a bop.

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this was a time in my life living there

in Bowl Green when I, when I was coming

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to terms with the fact that I enjoyed

a particular kind of girly pop and.

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I don't remember there being a ton

of options for that genre back then.

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About a decade ago, like we weren't

swimming in the chapel rows and the

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supreme carpenters and them, so yeah,

that was that one one J-Lo song that I

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could probably just sing all by myself.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I'd like to hear that.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: We won't

be doing that one on the show.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Maybe

a guitar guy will come back.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Oh man.

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I bought me, uh, a guitar to celebrate,

kind of for my birthday, but also for,

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uh, to celebrate, uh, I passed my defense.

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We, the listeners don't know that unless

they follow us on social media and

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know the stupid story of what I did.

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which I'll, I'll tell in case y'all

didn't know it, but, um, I bought myself

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a guitar 'cause they were on sale.

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I want, I've had, I wanted a Spanish

style, like a nylon string guitar.

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David got lit up, um, one time about

20 years ago and fell on my old

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one and snapped it right in half.

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And I never did replace it.

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So I got me one for 150 bucks.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That's awesome.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

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But it's lost in the mail somewhere.

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So the case arrived without the guitar.

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I was just, so, I had to go to

the post office this morning and

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she was like, yeah, I don't know.

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There no packages over there.

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And I was like, alright.

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So you, you agree that this

is strange though, right?

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Like there's a, there's

a case but no instrument.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Where I live in

a big complex with, there's like one bay

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of, of mailboxes up by the front office.

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so USPS doesn't deliver anything

bigger than like a shoebox.

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there's like eight boxes there

where they can leave stuff in it.

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Otherwise it goes to the post office.

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Um, so if like Amazon, so if I order my

Red Bull and for whatever reason they send

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it postal service, it's just gone forever.

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'cause I'm not getting

that back, you know?

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So, so it's hard to order books used

'cause they all come Postal service.

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It's, it's tough.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

And those don't get replaced.

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so remember that on LA last time

we recorded, I was talking about

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my, need to make the perfect

presentation, the perfect slideshow

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for my dissertation defense I was so.

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Intent on making it nice that I had

started it over several times and I

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finally made one I was happy with.

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And, the movie Wicked Features

in the first, like the, this is

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how I opened it And I had, I put

pictures in my dissertation because

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I just, I thought that was fun.

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So I had a picture of g

Galinda, doing that dance.

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She does down the hallway

after, oh shit, what's the song?

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She sings popular after she's singing

popular, she does this little dance

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down the hallway and she does, Ariana

Grande does this really cool high kick.

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that was apparently unscripted.

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She decided to do it and nobody

even knew she could do it 'cause

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it's a pretty advanced dance move.

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So I had a, a still shot of that in

the document, but I had it like just

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up by itself and I don't know why I, I

must have clicked on it or something.

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So I'm talking, giving my

presentation on structuralism.

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I'm getting into it, you know,

talked for about 20 minutes

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and laid my whole argument out

and felt pretty good about it.

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But there were several moments where

I had used visual aids in it and I

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referenced 'em and nobody said anything.

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So I just had no reason

to think anything was off.

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And so right at the end I had a

picture of off man, and I said,

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this is an Appalachian encrypted.

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And finally my chair said, is

it on the screen right now?

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What are, or what are you looking at?

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And I was like.

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Yeah.

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And so I looked at the settings

and I had been sharing that picture

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of Galinda with her whole gaussi

out with hat, leg up in there.

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This is an Appalachian cryptic,

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and I was like, I started

fucking pouring sweat.

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And I was like, I think, I think I said

something like, why didn't y'all tell me?

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Because, or maybe they just sort of

understood my me to be wondering that

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because, uh, my chair was like, I

mean, you were doing a good job of

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explaining it and I was just listening.

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And I guess, I guess we just figured,

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but I'm just now thinking like,

would I have said anything?

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I don't know.

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Especially if it felt like the, you know,

they were in their groove or whatever.

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I could see me sitting there going like,

this ain't right, but I'm just not gonna.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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Well, I'm so proud of you, dude.

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How's it feel to be done?

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: There's these

moments where I'm like, huh . but there

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we're also, like in an, in InBetween

stage, it's, you know, it's kind of all

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over, but the shouting kind of thing.

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you got to do paperwork,

I have to do some.

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Course for validation forms, I have to

edit it into the version of the manuscript

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that gets uploaded to that database.

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this cat is chewing on everything

and he keeps reaching up and

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trying to scratch the microphone.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: He

just wants to be heard today.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Yeah, he's got a lot to say.

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Okay.

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No, but you can't eat the microphone

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

we is passed out beside me.

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I

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could bring her up here.

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She'd be like all drunk asleep.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: So, did you

reschedule the meeting with your chair?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah,

I'm gonna do it on Tuesday, so, so

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not a big, that also gives me more

time to work on stuff before then.

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So

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maybe I'll feel even better about the, the

presentation with him, because I wanna be

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like ready to go, you know what I mean?

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To ready to dive in.

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So.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like be, be, you don't wanna be

married to an argument, but you do

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want to be versed in where it fits.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I almost wrote

about Melungeons but decided the research

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would be way more fun for baseball.

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Have you ever heard the theory

that both Abraham Lincoln and

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Elvis Presley were male engines?

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which would make Abraham Lincoln,

our first black president.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Jane, what's her face?

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Make that argument.

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Remember that?

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anti-racist educator.

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I, Jane Elliot.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I know who she is.

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She was the blue eyed

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Mm-hmm.

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she's still alive.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That's awesome.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Damn.

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That is cool.

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Okay, now I'm gonna see if I can find

this because I, I know that I saw

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someone making the argument that he

was like our first black president.

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Yeah, that was her.

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She made it in 2018, on the

Arizona PBS show horizon.

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I don't know if I really agree with her.

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I, I mean, I, I not agree with her, but I,

I just, I don't know that I would've had

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the confidence to make a claim like that.

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based on the available evidence.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: But

also she, her approach was, is

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I guess assuming she's still

practicing, um, very shock oriented.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah, for sure.

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Her work on Oprah especially.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

I'm not familiar with that.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Oh yeah.

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That's when she, um, became

like a household name.

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she went on Oprah and they

did the blue eyed, brown eyed

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experiment, on the audience.

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And there was, it was a

pretty good reaction to it.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Okay.

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So I've seen the video of the being

sorted basically when they came

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in and didn't, didn't know that

that was the Oprah audience.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That was

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the Oprah show.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

what a setting for that to,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: to happen.

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I remember Oprah doing, um, one of this

was, this would've been early nineties,

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I'm pretty sure, a show on homosexuality.

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audience member trying to get in

her face about like faith and, and,

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and whether Oprah can call herself a

Christian and also not hate gay people.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I've seen that clip

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: And I

mean, yeah, that was kind of back

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before Oprah was Oprah, but still

the, the, the places people will find

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it appropriate to plant their flags

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: trying to

tell Oprah she can't be a Christian.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

or anybody, honestly.

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I mean,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: alright.

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So let's give this wheel a spin.

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We haven't, we've been skipping

this, but it's very low on things so.

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I'll put out, I'll put out a

poll on social media and see if

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folks have ideas, and then also

we can just stick things on here.

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Okay.

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Well this, uh, we're gonna

be telling on ourselves here

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because it landed on vandalism,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Oh no,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: which

I have a lot of stories about.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: vandalism.

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The funniest one was when we drove

around Ccio County trying to put

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red noses on all the deer signs.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

And did you get stopped?

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: No,

we, we couldn't, we realized we

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couldn't reach any of 'em and when

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we did reach one, the marker that we

had wasn't good enough for the metal.

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That is the sign.

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yeah, it was, but we tried, man.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: We

used to steal street signs.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: There was a

girl, there was one on on school property.

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Um, because like the driveway for the,

the, the school was like really long

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and then it, it intersected and so there

was like a stop sign and a, and a street

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sign down there, and that got stole

like every time they put it back up.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: this, I don't

know if it's like this where you're

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from, but, street signs on the rural

routes, especially, you know, there

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in Whitley County it was all someone's

name, just whoever was, whoever the

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last person to live on the street was.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right,

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: so

people would steal 'em because

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it had their name on them,

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or if they said something

stupid like, big Bone Lick

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Devil's Hole.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Devil's Hole.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That's,

that's in Wood County whereby bg

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

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There was a Devil's Backbone down by

the holler that we went to our doctor,

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which I'm putting in quotes listeners.

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his prescription pad did

not have his name on it.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Ooh.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: He was a

physic, he was a physician's assistant.

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and they were.

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I assume these people who worked in his

office were nurses because they knew

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how to draw blood and shit, you know,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: but whoever

the doctor was there, nobody ever saw.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Wow.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

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it was down this, holler on

25 W between Jellico and La

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Fallot called Wynn Habersham.

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And it was right next to this rock

formation on the side of, um, Jellico

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Mountain called Devil's Backbone.

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And to me it looked like the, you know,

the, the plates up the back of a Seg

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Stegosaurus or whatever it's called,

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I'm not familiar.

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No.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: it's

that dinosaur that looks like

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it has a mohawk down its back.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Oh yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: That's

what it looked like to me as a kid.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Oh, got you.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: but we also, I

just, I'm saying we, I never stole a sign.

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Personally, I just was

the lookout many times.

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I wasn't tall enough.

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It had to be somebody over six foot

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: or

somebody who could jump real high.

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And also I was kind of chicken

shit, like I was around a lot of bad

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activity, but rarely participated in it.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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' dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: cause I knew

I'd be skint alive if I got caught.

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Like David got caught doing

all kinds of shit and, and they

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thought it was cute or something.

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But me, no, I'd have been killed.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Very

different standards for boys and girls.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Right.

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And the oldest and the,

you know, not oldest

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I

mean, certainly the best behave

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of all of us was Vanessa.

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but even if she wasn't, she

probably would've got away

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with murder if she wanted to.

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'cause

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she's the youngest,

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I'm not

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I was

the good one in my family too.

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My brother and sister were both

really into alcohol, very young.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: yeah, I

wasn't, I mean, they was, my high school,

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they drank a lot, like, especially

the cool kids there was like the

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different circles that I hung out with.

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And So like the stoner party kids?

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Yeah, they always, they had,

they had booze every weekend

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and uh, got stoned every day.

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But the ones that I spent the most

time with were my friends from

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like academic team and the AV club.

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they were cool kids, but

they were not parters.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That's how

my friends in high school were too.

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We were all in band.

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I was in the

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Flag Corps and we were in choir.

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cause you either had to take choir or art.

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You couldn't take both.

531

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So you had to

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choose your loyalty.

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It was one or the other.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

With us it was choir or band.

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You had to pick between choir and band.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: No,

you could do both of those.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Interesting because those are both

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big time commitments and art isn't,

539

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: like we

would still get up to shit with those.

541

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But it wasn't because alcohol was

involved, it was because we just

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wanted to get up to some shit.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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I got drunk a few times in high school.

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Um, but not like my sister or brother.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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With me it was very like

very sparse and just,

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uh, and it was mostly all my senior

year because there was this girl I

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had a big crush on that was a drinker.

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So that was the first time I got drunk

enough to like be sick and kind of like

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not be able to actually use my limbs.

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: The first

time I got drunk, I was a freshman

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and my friends, so I took Japanese as

the, as a language my freshman year.

555

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it was a small school, but

we did it by satellite.

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Like my librarian would record

the, the lesson off of the TV and

557

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then we'd watch it during class.

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Um, there was

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only me and my friend Ben

were in the Japanese class.

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but there was a class ahead of us.

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There were, uh, like the year

older than us, and, one of the

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people from that class was there.

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And so it was at my

friend's boyfriend's house.

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They were all older than me

and she brought out the bottle

565

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of Jack Daniels or Jim Beam.

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It was Jim beam

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Why was it always beam

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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And quarters.

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And she was really good at

quarters and they just got me

571

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shit faced in no time and was

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trying to make me speak

Japanese, trying to drink.

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That was crazy.

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And the only thing I really

remember, there's two things.

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one passing out in the bathroom

and everybody coming in to look at

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me and point, and he brought his

mom in and was like, look at this.

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And they all thought it was hilarious.

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And number two, getting a strip tease from

this guy named Matt, uh, while Beethoven

579

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was on the tv, like the with the big dog.

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Those are the two things I remember.

581

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That guy never did look

me in the eye again.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I am sure.

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Did, did you ever do like

pranks that were vandalism?

584

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There was a lot of pranks that

the kids would do and I was

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like, that is darn near a felony.

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I

can't think of any that we

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did.

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we, were such good kids.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: they

would do things like put bologna

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on the car so that it dissolves

the paint in polka dots, splotches.

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I

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once put wit uh, shaving cream all

over somebody's car and they rinsed

593

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it immediately because of that.

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:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: when we

were still like little living in the

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trailer park, we would break into

things 'cause we just were bored.

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So there was, empty trailers

there in the trailer park, just a

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couple of them there in the back.

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And so we, I would break into

them and we would basically

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just use it as our playhouse.

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and I, I seriously did not know

I wasn't supposed to do that.

601

:

Like my orientation to property

at that point was, can I do it?

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:

Okay.

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Then it's mine.

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Like, if I can get in it, then it's, then

it belongs to me because there's no such

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:

thing as property in the trailer park.

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

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:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: There's

no such thing as privacy, it's

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very like communal living.

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you would have to like specifically

sit a child down and say, just

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'cause you can walk inside something

doesn't mean that you're allowed to.

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And nobody ever did with me

because they didn't think to.

612

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So I was like, well, I can get in here.

613

:

This is easy.

614

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We got caught and I felt so guilty.

615

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Who

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:

caught you?

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

uh, it was my mom,

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well she's the one who punished me.

619

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I would say that like the people who lived

next door or something just saw us doing

620

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it 'cause it was five feet away, you know?

621

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And didn't confront us

because we weren't their kids.

622

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So I'm, I'm sure somebody saw

us and then told mom about it

623

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and we broke into the high school there,

which it wasn't really that hard to break

624

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into it 'cause it was, the doors didn't

work anyway and they were chains shut

625

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and so we just had to get the chains off.

626

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: See,

my high school was brand new.

627

:

We

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didn't have, Yeah.

629

:

like we were the first class, the

first freshman class in there.

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:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: There was also

a house, this is the one that had all

631

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those, those dirty magazines in it up

on the mountainside that, I don't know

632

:

if it had been built up fully at one

point or if somebody had been building it

633

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and stopped halfway through, but it was

like partially like you could see the,

634

:

building materials and stuff in the walls.

635

:

And I.

636

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We definitely would go in there

and like break the sheet rock

637

:

and stuff and intentionally

break things we found in there.

638

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Speaking of

my childhood, uh, I've been requesting

639

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several books through the library this

week, and I decided to see if they had

640

:

any Sweet Valley High or Christopher

Pike novels, and I got one of each.

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:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I saw

a YouTube video that mentioned

642

:

the Christopher Pike novels.

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:

and it made me think of you because

I don't think I had been aware of 'em

644

:

until you talked about 'em that time.

645

:

It was, the video I was

watching was about RL Stein.

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Gotcha.

647

:

Same vein.

648

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

649

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I also

read a lot of, uh, VC Andrews.

650

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

My mom read those too.

651

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

652

:

But I was like nine in the middle of

653

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

That's what made me laugh.

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

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:

Yeah.

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:

Because those, those are not for children.

657

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Nope.

658

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

I, devoured them.

659

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I don't think

I've ever read one, um, is that, did

660

:

she do the uh, flowers in the attic

661

:

one?

662

:

Yeah.

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:

Okay.

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beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

All of them were twisted with

665

:

incest

666

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and

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:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: ask.

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:

Are they all

669

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

670

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They're all, they all have

incest and dead people and,

671

:

all kinds of poverty

and depraved things and

672

:

Things I definitely should not

have been reading, but I was,

673

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I mean,

I was reading Stephen King and

674

:

Dean Koons and Cleve Barker,

so depraved in different ways.

675

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I, I could never

go to the library because I had fees and

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I had lost books when I was like nine.

677

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And so I always just got somebody

to buy me the books in the

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checkout at the grocery store.

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So that was my library.

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dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Oh, that makes sense.

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:

That would really like,

shape what you had access

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:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yep.

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:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I'm trying,

I mostly owned the, I was reading

684

:

paperback copies of things that, uh,

I could get at a store, but I can't,

685

:

I can't remember where I got it.

686

:

There was a, a used bookstore where

you could get, you could take a

687

:

cardboard box in and give 'em $5

and then just fill it up with as

688

:

many books as it could fit in there.

689

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Wow.

690

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

691

:

I think it's still in Berea, this store.

692

:

Um, listeners let us know if you

know the store I'm talking about.

693

:

So I got a bunch of paperbacks that way.

694

:

and I remember I would read,

especially Stephen King, because.

695

:

I loved, horror, being able to read about

horror in a way that also felt kind of

696

:

closer to a lot of the horror that I had

been reading before was super out there.

697

:

Right.

698

:

It was like science fiction.

699

:

You couldn't imagine yourself in

the character's shoes, really.

700

:

But I could with Stephen King, but

the, the main thing I liked him is

701

:

because he included queer characters.

702

:

That was the only place I ever

got to read queer characters

703

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I didn't realize

I wanted that at such a young age, though.

704

:

I do remember when I was first coming

out to myself, one of the first places

705

:

I went was to the library and checked

out some books, um, about queer

706

:

people and, and that kind of thing.

707

:

I was so scared to even check 'em out.

708

:

I

709

:

remember or even asked where

to find them or whatever.

710

:

Um, I remember the whole

process was really scary.

711

:

It took me like three trips to the

library to finally get one checked out.

712

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: That's

why like a sort of stealth version

713

:

of queer representation in like

mainstream media can be such a big deal

714

:

for people who are in the closet.

715

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: yeah, for sure.

716

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I remember

there was a couple of gay characters

717

:

in the stand when I read that

718

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I

just recently watched that

719

:

and it was really interesting.

720

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I remember you

told me you watched the, the 20 16 1.

721

:

Did it

722

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

723

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

characters in it?

724

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Uh,

not that I remember, but I

725

:

could be misremembering.

726

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Only.

727

:

one of them was a main character.

728

:

and this is very much a straight

cis man writing a, a lesbian.

729

:

It, it could be, you know,

how someone experiences that.

730

:

I don't know.

731

:

I was a child when I read this, and

I just thought like, cool, what an

732

:

interesting way to think about sexuality.

733

:

but this character was, she was undercover

and so she was sleeping with a man to

734

:

gain his trust, but she was in her mind

processing her own sexuality and of

735

:

like thinking to herself from almost

like reassuring or not reassuring

736

:

because she didn't feel traumatized or

anything, like she chose this gig or

737

:

whatever, but she was thinking like,

you know, I really do love women more.

738

:

And she's looking at herself in the

mirror while she's thinking about this.

739

:

And so I just, and she's like really

appreciating her body and like just.

740

:

Femininity in women's bodies.

741

:

And I was like, I love this.

742

:

This is so cool.

743

:

Like, I don't really

appreciate my own body.

744

:

but that was a moment.

745

:

I think I understood that like there

were different kinds of queerness.

746

:

Like what I was feeling

was not lesbian ness

747

:

really.

748

:

It was like I was attracted to girls,

but I did not feel like one, 'cause

749

:

I couldn't put myself in those shoes.

750

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

751

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: But

yeah, I would take that book

752

:

and reread my favorite parts.

753

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I've

reread the Ruby Fruit Jungle

754

:

probably two dozen times.

755

:

Like I don't have a copy at the mo.

756

:

I have a copy on its way,

because my last one fell apart

757

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I

758

:

got an email about that, book club.

759

:

Uh, I need to send it to you

760

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I'm

gonna go to the book club on

761

:

November 24th, I think it is.

762

:

I'm gonna join them.

763

:

Yeah.

764

:

Up on Airport Highway.

765

:

Near Airport Highway is

where they're gonna be,

766

:

so, yeah.

767

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: That's cool.

768

:

We, we need to get them to send

us some, some information so we

769

:

can plug it to folks in the area

770

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

Yeah, it seems really cool.

771

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: It's

772

:

a traveling queer book club

there in the Toledo area

773

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: yeah,

774

:

it goes from Port Clinton

to Toledo and back.

775

:

Um, the whole little area,

they, they kind of spread out.

776

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I am gonna join.

777

:

I, I'm not, I don't know if I'm

gonna join yet, but I'm, I have

778

:

scheduled to do a trial of a dojo.

779

:

it's super far away.

780

:

It's gonna be like a three hour

round trip to do it, so it'll

781

:

probably be a Saturday thing,

782

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: My nephew does

that and loves it with all of his heart.

783

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: love it too.

784

:

I absolutely love it.

785

:

I miss it so much.

786

:

and the, one of the best things I've

found to do for, for my, my muscles.

787

:

Like I have so much pain all the time.

788

:

If I don't, if I can't keep those tiny

little minor muscle groups strong.

789

:

and so Muay Hai and kickboxing has

been the best way for me to do it.

790

:

grappling to, but I don't

love grappling as much.

791

:

I'm not so big on the touching, you know,

792

:

I, I do see the appeal.

793

:

It is a very fun sport, but I don't

like it just for sensory reasons.

794

:

It's nothing about like, you know,

rubbing up on dudes or anything,

795

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah,

I, that would be my objection.

796

:

No, thank you.

797

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I have been

in some really, like negative spaces.

798

:

Dojos, and I've been in some that are,

that feel fine, you know, that are super,

799

:

affirming and inclusive, but by and large,

all of them are very masculine spaces and

800

:

they're they tend to be very conservative.

801

:

it just became that way after,

after conservative came to mean

802

:

what it does now, you know?

803

:

there are times when the fact that

I'm trans does have to come up.

804

:

And I dreaded every time I, I'm

like, if y'all only knew then the,

805

:

number of times that it's you, that

forces this conversation that, we

806

:

don't walk into anywhere going, God,

I hope I find an opportunity to talk

807

:

about the fact that I'm trans I have

a, a friend here who he's asked me

808

:

like, why do you want to go somewhere

where people are gonna be like that?

809

:

Like basically could likely have

this viewpoint that I don't deserve

810

:

to live or something like that.

811

:

like why would I choose a space,

choose a hobby that has such a

812

:

high likelihood of that to happen?

813

:

And it's a fair question, and

I do understand that that could

814

:

look strange on the outside.

815

:

But you know, I, my answer is that I just

really enjoy the sport and getting access.

816

:

It, it just doesn't exist everywhere.

817

:

And the version that exists

nearest you is the version you get.

818

:

But also that's a controlled environment.

819

:

It's a, it's a team sport.

820

:

Like when you get in there,

you're all on the same mission.

821

:

You all have the same goal.

822

:

It's not like walking into a bar

where people could very quickly

823

:

decide that they don't want me there.

824

:

It's harder to decide that

your teammate doesn't belong

825

:

somewhere, if that makes sense.

826

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That

was always my strategy at Bingo.

827

:

Um, people would find out after

they realized they liked me.

828

:

Then they would figure out that I

was queer and I'd be like, too late.

829

:

Now you like me, can't take it back.

830

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: well, I got hate

crimes while I was in the second dojo.

831

:

The first one I just

couldn't get down with.

832

:

But the second one I went to

was there in Illinois and I

833

:

would go back in a heartbeat.

834

:

I lo I just grew to love these guys and

loved this place and women felt safe

835

:

going there, which is always a good sign.

836

:

But, My car was vandalized.

837

:

So I hadn't been able to

make it to class for a while.

838

:

And he contacted me and he was like,

it's not like you miss class this much.

839

:

And I was like, yeah, I'm dealing with

some, some car trouble or whatever.

840

:

And I don't just told him what happened.

841

:

I don't, I don't know why.

842

:

Just like, so here's the deal.

843

:

And he was like, holy shit.

844

:

And he went on this like

journey of educating himself.

845

:

And I was like, oh, okay.

846

:

He didn't bombard me with questions

or anything like that, but he

847

:

just, I could see him, I could see

the, talk of the place begin to.

848

:

To change and the way he intervened

in certain banter, right?

849

:

Certain quote unquote locker room

talk, which was already fairly

850

:

benign in by, by locker room

standards, I guess by Dojo standards.

851

:

But he took his role as

a mentor very seriously.

852

:

And he was a, a black man trying to run a

business very close to, uh, sundown town.

853

:

So this was like right next to a sundown

town there in Illinois . And there

854

:

were a lot of, like, black youth felt

comfortable coming to his dojo and

855

:

he would give him like a month free

and he would heavily discount them

856

:

and he would like comp their, 'cause

the gear can be really expensive.

857

:

So he would comp that for them.

858

:

And he began, I could see him begin to

incorporate like the ways he, he mentored

859

:

them like that, that it was in there..

860

:

He really impressed me a lot.

861

:

So that's, I don't think any experience

is gonna live up to that one,

862

:

but as long as I don't need that.

863

:

Right.

864

:

I love to see it, but I don't require it.

865

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

How were you hate Crimed?

866

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Uh, they vandalized my car.

867

:

they slashed the tires

and wrote words on it.

868

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Aw.

869

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

870

:

It was white too.

871

:

Only white vehicle I've ever had.

872

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: That sucks.

873

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah,

874

:

But anyway, I'm gonna give 'em a

shot here and see what happens.

875

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Very cool.

876

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I'm not

someone that's ever like super

877

:

athletic in shape all the time.

878

:

I rarely have ever been in tip top

shape, but I definitely start to

879

:

feel it if I don't get any activity.

880

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Well,

I figure round is a shape, so

881

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Yeah.

882

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: I have been

thin at different parts of my, I have,

883

:

my weight has fluctuated my whole life.

884

:

Up and down, up and down, up and down.

885

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Don't diabetes do

886

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

887

:

And I'm pc

888

:

I have PCOS, so I had insulin

resistance from a very young age.

889

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Dang.

890

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: yeah,

891

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Are people dicks

892

:

about it?

893

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: about my weight.

894

:

Oh, always.

895

:

Yeah.

896

:

All the time.

897

:

You, you always get comments about

it or looks, or looks of disgust or,

898

:

doors slamming on your face or, yeah.

899

:

You're basically invisible to

men when you're unfuckable,

900

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Mm-hmm.

901

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228:

which I pride myself in being.

902

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Like

that's not the read you think it is?

903

:

Oh, no.

904

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: What will I do?

905

:

I literally haven't been

with a man this century, so

906

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Right.

907

:

Well, there's more to it

than the desire thing.

908

:

Like first of all, that there's a

misogyny there in that a person has to

909

:

be desirable to hegemonic masculinity To

deserve any kind of, respectful treatment.

910

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: that's why

I started playing patriarchy chicken.

911

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Okay.

912

:

Tell us more.

913

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: So

patriarchy chicken is the idea that

914

:

as women, we are socialized to.

915

:

make ourselves smaller for men to move

over, for men, to make room for men.

916

:

All of those things.

917

:

And we do it naturally.

918

:

We do it without even thinking

about it subconsciously.

919

:

So, patriarchal chicken is the idea

that you just don't move for men and

920

:

see what happens and you get shoulders

brushed quite often and the look of

921

:

surprise on their faces that you even

exist in their world is interesting

922

:

because they just move through life and

don't even worry about the, the women

923

:

they just barrel through, you know?

924

:

And so it's fun.

925

:

I I I, I say to only there are

cautions to this, you should only

926

:

play it if you feel physically safe.

927

:

Like I'm a shit brick house, right?

928

:

You're not gonna knock me over.

929

:

But if you're a four foot two, you

know, a hundred pound little tiny thing,

930

:

you might not feel safe in doing that.

931

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229:

Yeah, have some backup

932

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah, So only

do it if you feel safe enough to do it.

933

:

cause I have shoulder

checked people before.

934

:

Like I, you know, but

I'm an old white lady.

935

:

I could get, I can get away with stuff

that other people can't get away with.

936

:

That is one of my privileges.

937

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: and it's worth

it to draw attention to, you know, to draw

938

:

a person's attention to something like

939

:

that.

940

:

There's a real good chance that, in

a different timeline, these folks

941

:

would not want to be the way they are.

942

:

that's

943

:

how I was, that's how I was about, you

know, like fucked up things I had learned

944

:

about race or class or myself, growing up.

945

:

Like the horror of realizing you are a

way that you wouldn't have chosen to be.

946

:

I think there's a reason

people recede from that.

947

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Right.

948

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: It's

been, it's been nice to see,

949

:

like my parents wake up from it,

especially my mom wake up from it.

950

:

I remember she was the one who told

the racist jokes when we were kids.

951

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Yeah.

952

:

The first racist joke I was ever

told was by my fourth grade teacher.

953

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Oh my God.

954

:

Okay.

955

:

That's a bit,

956

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: well, well we

were on the playground and I was standing

957

:

there talking to her and there was a

little girl named Cayenne in my class

958

:

and she um, she made a little laugh and

she said that cayenne pepper got burnt.

959

:

'cause she was kind of a dark brown

yeah, she was a hundred years old.

960

:

That doesn't excuse it, but,

and that would've been, I don't

961

:

know, fourth grade would've been

87, 88, somewhere in that range.

962

:

So, I mean, it was a different time.

963

:

But still, teachers shouldn't be

telling fourth graders racist jokes.

964

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: Well, they

shouldn't be mocking other children

965

:

to, to their children in general.

966

:

But yeah, certainly not racist ones.

967

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: Old Mrs.

968

:

Lane,

969

:

dash_8_10-16-2025_152229: I learned,

I, there was some eye-opening shit

970

:

I learned when I was a recruiter in

eastern Kentucky for the university.

971

:

'cause I had to go to various functions

and be with, the staff and, and

972

:

teachers of these high schools in very

isolated parts of Eastern Kentucky.

973

:

And some of it was just.

974

:

A joyful surprise, and most of

it was more normal than a person

975

:

might imagine it would be,

976

:

sometimes it was absolutely horrifying.

977

:

and those places were

always like, good God.

978

:

I was at one function.

979

:

a teacher had retired or something

and there was some award they

980

:

were giving out in her honor.

981

:

And she gets up and she starts

talking about how she always led

982

:

bible studies in her class and stuff.

983

:

I was like, this is a

public fucking high school.

984

:

And she's like, they can't fire me now.

985

:

So I'll tell the truth.

986

:

I made the students, like, she made

the students lead the Bible study.

987

:

They

988

:

had to prepare verses and stuff, it's no

wonder, it's no wonder this cycle can't be

989

:

broken in some of these places.

990

:

beck_8_10-16-2025_162228: In

Huntington, West Virginia.

991

:

Recently, in the last year, some teachers

got in trouble for forcing kids to go

992

:

to, a Christian assembly that they had.

993

:

They had an outside group come in

and put on a presentation, and the

994

:

teachers told the students that they

were forced to go, that they had

995

:

to go, that couldn't opt out of it.

996

:

So they made like these Jewish kids

show up to these Christian events.

997

:

Um, and they got in a lot of

trouble over it, which I was

998

:

glad to see because in places like

Huntington, West Virginia, civil rights

999

:

are not at the forefront of, of what

people are caring about, you know?

:

00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,374

to hell with your, your rights,

is the attitude usually,

:

00:42:26,454 --> 00:42:26,784

-:

:

00:42:26,784 --> 00:42:29,754

They, they perceive it to

be their right to enforce.

:

00:42:29,754 --> 00:42:30,864

Their ideals onto everyone

:

00:42:30,864 --> 00:42:32,934

-:

did That's exactly the same way that

:

00:42:33,414 --> 00:42:36,174

anti Antifa became the enemy, right?

:

00:42:36,174 --> 00:42:39,324

Like it just means anti-fascist,

which we should all be.

:

00:42:40,824 --> 00:42:44,034

-:

TikTok talking about an interaction

:

00:42:44,034 --> 00:42:48,624

she had with an elder, you know,

an older, person who is going to

:

00:42:48,624 --> 00:42:51,354

the, to the No Kings, on Saturday.

:

00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,940

And she said that this woman

asked her, so did you sign up?

:

00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,330

And she was like, sign up for what?

:

00:42:58,330 --> 00:43:00,430

And she was like, the no Kings,

you just go to this website and

:

00:43:00,430 --> 00:43:01,480

you enter your name in there.

:

00:43:02,050 --> 00:43:05,470

And she was like, oh my God,

they're laying traps for these

:

00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:07,000

fucking boomers out here.

:

00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,830

And they're gonna get got, this is like

the day on Sunday or Monday or whatever,

:

00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:15,010

when Trump announces that they're,

they got a list of the Antifa members.

:

00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:19,600

It's just gonna be, you know, well-meaning

boomers that signed up to a website

:

00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,830

because they didn't know any better.

:

00:43:20,830 --> 00:43:21,180

-:

:

00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,240

-:

there'll be targets and what website?

:

00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,980

I almost Googled it, but

I was like, wait a minute.

:

00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:27,600

We gotta be real careful here.

:

00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:30,600

I mean, ICE is about to

have all of our data.

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00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:33,030

-:

they're pulling visas for people

:

00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:36,150

that, uh, made fun of Charlie Kirk

or even celebrated it in any way,

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00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:36,750

-:

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00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:44,256

There's a, this isn't a policy and

it's not legislative, but there is some

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00:43:44,256 --> 00:43:51,036

sort of stoppage coming for passports

with the X gender marker on it.

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00:43:51,456 --> 00:43:52,626

October 14th,

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00:43:53,046 --> 00:43:53,256

-:

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00:43:53,256 --> 00:43:54,996

yesterday or the day before yesterday.

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00:43:55,776 --> 00:43:56,856

-:

that's when it was, okay.

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00:43:56,856 --> 00:43:57,096

Yeah.

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00:43:57,096 --> 00:43:58,836

That's when it was supposed to start.

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00:43:58,896 --> 00:44:02,946

And it was the way it has been

described by the folks tracking it

:

00:44:02,946 --> 00:44:07,326

is an Erin in the morning, y'all,

if you want to follow news that that

:

00:44:07,326 --> 00:44:11,286

is basically curated about attacks

on trans people across the country.

:

00:44:11,286 --> 00:44:14,976

She's, she's your go-to,

It's like a software update.

:

00:44:15,006 --> 00:44:19,056

Basically the system, the TSA, the system

itself is going to spit out, it's gonna

:

00:44:19,056 --> 00:44:22,026

reject everything that is not an f and m

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00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:23,181

-:

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00:44:23,611 --> 00:44:25,101

Even though it was a

hundred percent legal.

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00:44:25,686 --> 00:44:26,976

-:

absolutely it's legal.

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00:44:27,606 --> 00:44:32,136

And not only that, some people are

assigned to that marker at birth.

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00:44:32,166 --> 00:44:33,636

That's the intersex marker.

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00:44:33,711 --> 00:44:34,061

-:

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00:44:34,464 --> 00:44:39,264

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saying is now a person has to transition

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00:44:39,264 --> 00:44:41,694

in order to travel in your dystopia.

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00:44:41,874 --> 00:44:43,464

You just said, we can't transition

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00:44:43,532 --> 00:44:45,272

-:

would be, the greatest for them.

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00:44:45,272 --> 00:44:45,727

You know what I mean?

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00:44:46,294 --> 00:44:46,684

-:

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00:44:46,744 --> 00:44:48,274

I mean, they don't want

there to be a solution.

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00:44:48,274 --> 00:44:49,204

They want us to cease to

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00:44:49,534 --> 00:44:51,484

-:

Exactly, exactly.

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00:44:51,484 --> 00:44:52,504

Same with the homos.

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00:44:53,374 --> 00:44:54,274

-:

luck motherfuckers.

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00:44:54,604 --> 00:44:54,754

-:

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00:44:55,414 --> 00:44:58,684

If there's any group of

people with an, with a, with

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00:44:58,684 --> 00:45:00,484

spirit to not to be kicked out.

:

00:45:00,784 --> 00:45:02,254

It is the queers man.

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00:45:02,689 --> 00:45:05,659

-:

you know what I did to be here today?

:

00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:10,444

-:

had to tell my mother I was gay.

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00:45:10,444 --> 00:45:12,454

Like I can face anything

:

00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:16,099

-:

the effort, the manpower, the

:

00:45:16,099 --> 00:45:18,859

will, uh, who do you think you are?

:

00:45:18,979 --> 00:45:22,849

Like the, I'm, I'm more likely to

be stopped by something right here

:

00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:26,299

in front of me, not his dumb ass.

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00:45:26,419 --> 00:45:26,989

You know,

:

00:45:27,228 --> 00:45:30,048

it's kind of, it could be helpful

to actually remember that, be like,

:

00:45:30,048 --> 00:45:33,211

no, it's what's in front of you

that you need to, to, to, how do you

:

00:45:33,211 --> 00:45:36,121

strike that balance between being

informed and being overwhelmed.

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00:45:36,466 --> 00:45:36,976

-:

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00:45:37,201 --> 00:45:38,251

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I'll let you know when I know.

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00:45:38,341 --> 00:45:39,001

Well,

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00:45:41,071 --> 00:45:44,221

on that note, let's, uh, let's have

a word from this week's sponsor.

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00:45:50,661 --> 00:45:52,461

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week's episode of Queernecks is

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00:45:52,461 --> 00:45:55,551

brought to you by Mean Ass Barn cats.

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00:45:56,631 --> 00:46:01,071

The tiny, furry demons keeping

rural America in check won his

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00:46:01,071 --> 00:46:06,231

one scratch at a time with mercury

perpetually in retrograde, mean ass

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00:46:06,231 --> 00:46:08,781

barn Cats aren't born, they manifest.

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00:46:09,171 --> 00:46:10,911

Nobody remembers bringing them home.

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00:46:10,911 --> 00:46:13,161

They just showed up one winter

and started paying rent.

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00:46:13,161 --> 00:46:17,241

In field voles, they've got

scars older than your underwear.

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00:46:17,271 --> 00:46:22,311

One good eye that sees through lies and a

bite force that could snap a broom handle.

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00:46:22,652 --> 00:46:24,454

They don't want or need your love.

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00:46:24,514 --> 00:46:27,604

They want your respect, your

leftovers, and maybe your soul.

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00:46:27,609 --> 00:46:30,844

If you look at them wrong,

you cannot tame them.

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00:46:30,844 --> 00:46:34,294

You cannot hold them, but you

can admire them from a distance,

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00:46:34,804 --> 00:46:38,044

preferably while wearing gloves

and holding a tetanus shop voucher.

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00:46:39,094 --> 00:46:40,204

They'll vanish for months.

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00:46:40,204 --> 00:46:43,504

Then reappear in the hail lt, like

a half remembered ghost story.

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00:46:44,284 --> 00:46:47,794

They keep mice out, snakes nervous,

and the neighbors guessing.

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00:46:47,974 --> 00:46:51,784

Sure they've drawn blood more than once,

but honestly you probably deserved it.

:

00:46:52,504 --> 00:46:56,884

And yet deep down they love you or at

least tolerate your existence in their

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00:46:57,214 --> 00:47:01,234

own weird way, which in cat language

is basically a marriage proposal.

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00:47:01,774 --> 00:47:07,084

So here's to mean ass barn, cats too wild

to cuddle, too ancient to die, and too

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00:47:07,084 --> 00:47:09,034

proud to pur where anyone can hear it.

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00:47:09,339 --> 00:47:11,639

-:

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00:47:12,054 --> 00:47:13,584

-:

fucking love barn cats.

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00:47:13,824 --> 00:47:14,364

-:

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00:47:14,576 --> 00:47:15,986

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love a working, I mean, I don't

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00:47:15,986 --> 00:47:19,106

think they all should be forced

to, but I just love the the sense

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00:47:19,106 --> 00:47:24,776

of unbothered ology that a working

animal can really, you know, present.

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00:47:24,866 --> 00:47:27,206

-:

what Baby was before we brought her inside

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00:47:27,206 --> 00:47:29,366

and now she is very happily a house dog.

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00:47:29,939 --> 00:47:31,349

She spent 11 years outside.

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00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:32,439

I

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00:47:32,594 --> 00:47:32,804

miss

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00:47:32,804 --> 00:47:33,119

having a cat.

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00:47:33,894 --> 00:47:35,369

-:

think you'll ever have another cat?

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00:47:35,699 --> 00:47:36,209

-:

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00:47:36,569 --> 00:47:36,959

Yeah.

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00:47:37,289 --> 00:47:38,849

Um, once, well baby would eat them.

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00:47:38,849 --> 00:47:41,609

Anything we brought in that saw

mall baby would just eat because

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00:47:41,609 --> 00:47:42,839

literally that was her job.

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00:47:43,169 --> 00:47:43,499

You know?

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00:47:43,499 --> 00:47:46,829

It was her job to keep the, the, the

hill clear of the rabbits and the,

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00:47:47,279 --> 00:47:50,669

the deer carcasses and everything

else that would show up there.

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00:47:51,054 --> 00:47:53,904

-:

TikTok of a woman realizing this

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00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:55,794

dog she's fostering, speak Spanish.

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00:47:56,454 --> 00:47:57,774

It was so cute.

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00:47:57,804 --> 00:47:59,154

'cause they thought,

it just wasn't trained.

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00:47:59,154 --> 00:48:01,164

They thought it, it wouldn't

mind or anything at all.

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00:48:01,374 --> 00:48:04,074

But she spoke Spanish and so she

just said something under her

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00:48:04,074 --> 00:48:06,564

breath and it like perked up . And

like, it wouldn't come to her.

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00:48:06,564 --> 00:48:07,864

And then all of a sudden she said vomanos.

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00:48:07,884 --> 00:48:09,504

And it just like, okay, I'm ready.

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00:48:09,504 --> 00:48:09,834

I'm here.

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00:48:09,834 --> 00:48:10,464

We going out.

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00:48:11,394 --> 00:48:13,704

Can you imagine how

that would feel So cool?

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00:48:13,704 --> 00:48:18,324

Like I, it would have to be really cool

to happen to find an animal and foster it.

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00:48:18,324 --> 00:48:19,914

And it spoke your native language.

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00:48:20,064 --> 00:48:21,414

-:

Yeah, that's awesome.

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00:48:26,464 --> 00:48:29,404

We ate the Waffle House last night and

my stomach hasn't been right since.

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00:48:29,922 --> 00:48:30,432

-:

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00:48:30,432 --> 00:48:34,332

I mean, I'm, I'm jealous, but I also,

that's probably how I would feel as well.

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00:48:34,467 --> 00:48:34,917

-:

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00:48:35,337 --> 00:48:37,287

Well it's the only thing that

Shana gets off work at 10.

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00:48:37,377 --> 00:48:40,917

And so what's open between here

and BG at 10 o'clock at night?

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00:48:40,917 --> 00:48:41,757

Not very much.

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00:48:41,757 --> 00:48:42,297

So

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00:48:42,642 --> 00:48:44,712

-:

she's, I thought she was on nights.

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00:48:44,727 --> 00:48:45,837

-:

they switched her over.

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00:48:45,837 --> 00:48:47,712

She can't, uh, work alone

right now 'cause of her knee.

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00:48:48,567 --> 00:48:51,717

she's gonna have to have surgery on her

knee and so she can't lift anything over

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00:48:51,717 --> 00:48:56,307

80 pounds and everybody there weighs more

than 80 pounds, so she can't do some of

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00:48:56,307 --> 00:48:57,867

the stuff that needs to happen overnight.

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00:48:58,227 --> 00:48:59,907

Um, so she's working evenings right now?

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00:49:00,547 --> 00:49:01,847

-:

they being supportive of her?

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00:49:01,947 --> 00:49:03,507

-:

Because she busted her knee at

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00:49:03,507 --> 00:49:04,917

work on top of everything, you

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00:49:04,917 --> 00:49:08,877

know, so, yeah, they're real,

they're real cool with her.

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00:49:09,327 --> 00:49:11,247

'cause she's got documentation

for all of it, right?

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00:49:11,247 --> 00:49:13,557

The doctor put her on restriction,

the 80 pound restriction.

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00:49:15,102 --> 00:49:16,542

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I'd say it's on camera too.

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00:49:16,916 --> 00:49:19,676

-:

the house isn't on under surveillance,

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00:49:19,871 --> 00:49:20,201

-:

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00:49:20,271 --> 00:49:20,811

that's cool.

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00:49:20,851 --> 00:49:21,141

-:

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00:49:21,366 --> 00:49:22,296

It's, it's a home.

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00:49:22,296 --> 00:49:23,376

That's the way they see it.

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00:49:23,376 --> 00:49:25,566

-:

next to the retirement home down

:

00:49:25,566 --> 00:49:27,426

there in Richmond for years.

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00:49:27,426 --> 00:49:32,946

The whole time I was teaching at EKU and

there was some excitement occasionally,

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00:49:33,426 --> 00:49:34,866

like they had a couple of, um,

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00:49:37,191 --> 00:49:40,836

Sometimes you'd just look out the window

and there'd be grandma going down in

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00:49:40,836 --> 00:49:42,396

her nightie and you'd have to call 'em

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00:49:42,636 --> 00:49:43,416

-:

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00:49:43,641 --> 00:49:45,321

They have neighbors like that at Shanna's.

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00:49:45,651 --> 00:49:47,301

it's 'cause sometimes they'll

end up on the porch or whatever.

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00:49:47,301 --> 00:49:49,311

They just call over the

house and say, come get him.

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00:49:49,311 --> 00:49:51,981

-:

mean, at that point in your

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00:49:51,981 --> 00:49:53,451

life, just do what you feel like.

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00:49:54,666 --> 00:49:55,386

To a certain point.

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00:49:56,076 --> 00:49:57,246

-:

went and got ice cream the other

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00:49:57,246 --> 00:49:58,806

day at the Sunday station in bg.

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00:49:58,806 --> 00:49:59,886

I don't know if you know where that is.

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00:49:59,886 --> 00:50:02,916

It's over by the, there's an old

folks home across the street from it.

:

00:50:02,976 --> 00:50:06,786

And there was the slowest parade

of like six people I have ever seen

:

00:50:06,786 --> 00:50:08,286

walking up and down the sidewalk.

:

00:50:08,676 --> 00:50:12,186

They led to like the oldest, most like

crypt keeper to old lady in front of

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00:50:12,186 --> 00:50:15,726

'em, and they lead the pack and they

were going like one mile per hour.

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00:50:19,536 --> 00:50:21,366

-:

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00:50:21,366 --> 00:50:21,966

That's fine.

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00:50:21,966 --> 00:50:22,056

You

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00:50:22,056 --> 00:50:23,736

-:

find myself laughing at the most

:

00:50:23,736 --> 00:50:26,496

inappropriate things sometimes,

but it was hilarious 'cause it

:

00:50:26,496 --> 00:50:28,386

really was the slowest parade ever.

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00:50:28,926 --> 00:50:31,326

-:

a pretty great TikTok account of

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00:50:31,326 --> 00:50:35,346

a home and they make content and

there's one video in particular that's

:

00:50:35,346 --> 00:50:36,846

like, how to holler at your crush.

:

00:50:36,846 --> 00:50:40,896

And he comes up to stand in front of

these two girls and then he just screams

:

00:50:40,896 --> 00:50:46,116

at the top of his lungs and they jerk and

they, she had a drink in her hand and like

:

00:50:46,116 --> 00:50:48,636

it's the, their comedic timing is great.

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00:50:48,636 --> 00:50:49,356

Their performance is great.

:

00:50:49,356 --> 00:50:52,026

Like they clearly are hilarious

people, but the person editing

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00:50:52,026 --> 00:50:53,676

them also knows exactly.

:

00:50:54,216 --> 00:50:57,306

What to do and they all

their shit is so good.

:

00:50:57,845 --> 00:51:00,845

Have you, do you know what you're gonna

dress up as for the Halloween Live.

:

00:51:00,950 --> 00:51:03,230

-:

I have no idea yet though.

:

00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:05,360

Shana and I have a good costume.

:

00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,680

That's a couple's costume.

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00:51:06,905 --> 00:51:07,445

-:

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00:51:07,505 --> 00:51:08,615

Is Shanna gonna join us?

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00:51:09,485 --> 00:51:10,415

Awesome.

:

00:51:10,805 --> 00:51:13,205

Oh, listeners, you're

gonna get to meet Shanna

:

00:51:13,205 --> 00:51:14,314

and I get to see Shanna.

:

00:51:14,314 --> 00:51:14,404

I

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00:51:14,509 --> 00:51:14,929

-:

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00:51:15,064 --> 00:51:16,054

-:

Banana in a long time

:

00:51:16,413 --> 00:51:19,593

-:

costume is, we both put on name tags

:

00:51:19,623 --> 00:51:22,713

'cause we used to put like gray in our

hair and shit, but now it's just how

:

00:51:22,713 --> 00:51:23,253

we look.

:

00:51:23,823 --> 00:51:24,453

Yeah.

:

00:51:24,693 --> 00:51:28,653

So all you gotta do is put on a

name tag that says Jean, like JEAN

:

00:51:28,653 --> 00:51:33,213

or GENE and go together in your

somebody's favorite old pair of jeans.

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00:51:33,318 --> 00:51:34,578

-:

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00:51:35,101 --> 00:51:38,821

I don't know, I kind of wanna, I, I don't

wanna like hide my face necessarily.

:

00:51:38,821 --> 00:51:41,161

Like they're gonna, they're gonna

know how we look eventually, right?

:

00:51:41,161 --> 00:51:43,261

Like there's, there's

enough context clues.

:

00:51:43,261 --> 00:51:46,771

People are gonna know how we look,

but I do still want to like, deliver

:

00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:50,649

a fantasy, you know, I've, I've

always been kind of bad at costumes,

:

00:51:50,649 --> 00:51:51,429

-:

:

00:51:51,489 --> 00:51:53,049

I never had money for costumes,

:

00:51:53,184 --> 00:51:53,574

-:

:

00:51:53,574 --> 00:51:53,814

Yeah.

:

00:51:53,814 --> 00:51:55,014

I always had to make stuff

:

00:51:55,113 --> 00:51:57,483

-:

went as the softball player for Pell.

:

00:51:57,483 --> 00:51:59,853

-:

softball dyke last year for the drag

:

00:52:00,288 --> 00:52:00,438

-:

:

00:52:00,438 --> 00:52:03,228

I put white on my face and,

and red lines down it with

:

00:52:03,228 --> 00:52:03,828

lipstick.

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00:52:03,873 --> 00:52:04,293

-:

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00:52:04,308 --> 00:52:04,428

-:

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00:52:04,428 --> 00:52:05,628

I was like 13

:

00:52:06,003 --> 00:52:06,153

-:

:

00:52:06,153 --> 00:52:08,553

had to shave though,

so I left the mustache.

:

00:52:08,583 --> 00:52:11,193

But I, you know, plenty of

softball players have mustaches.

:

00:52:11,958 --> 00:52:13,938

-:

there sounds like, my ex-girlfriend.

:

00:52:14,883 --> 00:52:17,883

-:

rainbow carabiner and put my keys on.

:

00:52:17,943 --> 00:52:22,473

I had some gym socks that I wore

up to my knees with, um, like

:

00:52:22,503 --> 00:52:25,413

Adidas slide flippers over them.

:

00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:30,363

Um, cut off jean shorts and a,

and a baseball shirt, backwards,

:

00:52:30,363 --> 00:52:34,143

baseball cap with, you know,

the, the very sporty sunglasses

:

00:52:34,368 --> 00:52:35,028

-:

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00:52:35,343 --> 00:52:36,003

-:

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00:52:36,033 --> 00:52:36,453

Yeah.

:

00:52:37,173 --> 00:52:37,473

yeah.

:

00:52:37,473 --> 00:52:39,123

And my name was Ashley Furniture.

:

00:52:39,298 --> 00:52:40,078

-:

That's hilarious.

:

00:52:40,293 --> 00:52:40,623

-:

:

00:52:40,863 --> 00:52:43,023

And 'cause I was judging the

drag show too, so I had to

:

00:52:43,023 --> 00:52:44,283

get up and introduce myself.

:

00:52:44,283 --> 00:52:45,633

And so I was like, oh.

:

00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:49,743

Uh, so that I came up, I was

just like, okay, I'm Ashley

:

00:52:49,743 --> 00:52:51,873

Furniture, uh, center field.

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00:52:51,933 --> 00:52:58,053

Uh, the girls call me

Ash and often Gold Star.

:

00:53:00,338 --> 00:53:02,523

And then I just sat, sat down.

:

00:53:02,583 --> 00:53:04,803

-:

ever heard of a platinum star gay man?

:

00:53:05,193 --> 00:53:05,673

-:

:

00:53:05,673 --> 00:53:06,483

No, I haven't heard that

:

00:53:06,483 --> 00:53:06,813

one.

:

00:53:06,903 --> 00:53:07,113

-:

:

00:53:07,113 --> 00:53:08,253

born by C-section.

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00:53:09,018 --> 00:53:10,278

-:

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00:53:10,308 --> 00:53:12,048

That is just, okay.

:

00:53:17,123 --> 00:53:18,923

Do you want to do a noun of Appalachian

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I have a good one this

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week, I think, anyway, from my hometown.

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All right.

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Now when I say Roy Rogers, I'm

not talking about the fast food

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joint that serves fried chicken

and roast beef under the same roof.

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Like that's a normal thing.

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No, I'm talking about the Roy

Rogers, the King of the Cowboys.

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The man who wore more French

than a county fair prize goat and

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somehow made it look dignified.

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Roy Rogers was born Leonard, Franklin

Sly in Lucasville, Ohio, which

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isn't exactly cattle country, but it

turns out that you don't need to be

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born in the desert to ride tall in

the saddle under the stage lights.

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He became the singing smiling symbol

of good, clean western heroism.

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He could rope a steer, ride a horse, and

croon a tune all without ever wrinkling

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his pearl snap shirt and his horse.

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That was trigger the smartest horse in

the movies who could reportedly untie not.

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Bow for applause and probably fill

out a W2 if you gave him a pen.

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And let's be real.

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Roy's cowboy image was less about

the gritty reality of ranch life

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and more about the aspiration of it.

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He was the guy your grandma would call

a real gentleman, and your grandpa

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would grudgingly admit, contain himself.

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Between movies, radio shows and TV

appearances, Roy became a full-blown

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American icon with that signature

white hat always sitting just

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right, like it had a permanent halo.

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Roy Rogers wasn't just a singing cowboy.

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He was a moral compass with a saddle.

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He made kids believe that right always

beats wrong, that your horse is your

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best friend and that you can wear a

scarf around your neck in the middle

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of summer if you commit hard enough.

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So here's to the boy from Lucasville who

made it all the way to Hollywood, our most

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famous resident ever, taking a little bit

of Appalachia heart along for the ride.

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know he was from, from the area.

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grandpa went to elementary school with

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him.

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you can still visit his Boyhood

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home back on Duck Run, which is

like two hollers back behind mine.

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a Cohen Brothers movie, called Hale

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Caesar that I really, I really enjoy.

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It's one of their, I

think, lesser known ones.

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00:55:17,881 --> 00:55:21,991

But it's got George Clooney and it,

and it's about that era of Hollywood

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and there's a character in it that's

a, it's a Roy Rogers type character.

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And it, it sort of explores like

what a person from that experience

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might have felt like at in that era.

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00:55:35,761 --> 00:55:37,845

And it was at the time of

talk he too, so he has.

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Accent , Right?

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00:55:38,609 --> 00:55:43,199

He has his way of speaking, but he's gotta

deliver more and more ridiculous dialogue.

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That's really cool.

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-:

about Hollywood, but it's also kind

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of difficult, that movie Babylon.

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Do you see

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00:55:49,182 --> 00:55:49,572

that?

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00:55:50,479 --> 00:55:54,079

I loved it, but it was also tough

because Hollywood has a very depraved

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00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:57,979

history and it is so depraved that

Hollywood can't tell it because

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00:55:57,979 --> 00:55:59,119

you can't put it on screen.

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00:56:00,154 --> 00:56:00,484

-:

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-:

things that happened, like the fatty

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00:56:03,264 --> 00:56:04,879

ruckle thing is a good example.

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00:56:04,969 --> 00:56:05,449

And,

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00:56:05,479 --> 00:56:05,869

you know,

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00:56:05,884 --> 00:56:06,424

-:

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00:56:06,935 --> 00:56:09,575

-:

know, content warning listeners, if

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00:56:09,575 --> 00:56:12,935

you don't know about Fatty Arbuckle,

this is a sexual assault, uh, story.

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00:56:13,655 --> 00:56:17,525

But, um, he absolutely did do it.

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00:56:17,525 --> 00:56:20,645

He was acquitted though, but

the person that he assaulted

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00:56:20,975 --> 00:56:23,945

died, he, he assaulted her that.

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00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:25,550

Um,

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00:56:26,075 --> 00:56:26,945

-:

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00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,690

-:

prolonged amount of time at a party.

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00:56:29,825 --> 00:56:30,515

-:

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-:

they opened with that sort of, kind of

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00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:38,120

story at the beginning of Babylon, but

they had to tone it down because they

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00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,130

couldn't include all that on screen.

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00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:45,770

And so they changed it to something that

was, it was portrayed as consensual.

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00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:50,180

That was the only part of that movie

that I was just like, if you don't

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00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:55,190

do it right, if you can't actually

tell it, then don't change it.

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00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:57,770

Don't like pull the punch on

it because what happened to

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00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:59,480

Virginia RAP is important.

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00:57:00,140 --> 00:57:02,210

What happened in the aftermath?

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00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:06,170

The fact that we let him off

scot-free, he got a public apology

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00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:09,800

from the judge because it tarnished

his reputation or whatever.

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00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:14,600

so I don't know that that kind of annoyed

me, but the rest of the movie's perfect.

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00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:20,270

It's really, really, fun and

It's just fun to look at.

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00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:23,720

I mean, Hollywood for me is like super

important anyway, just because of

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00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,960

what it has grown into and what we use

it to, to create, but it's history.

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00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:32,390

People think of Hollywood as very white.

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00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:33,890

Hollywood is not white.

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,710

What's on camera is white.

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00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,511

Hollywood is queer, and it

is Bipoc and it's immigrant.

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00:57:41,561 --> 00:57:45,221

Which makes it all the more important

that the fact that what makes it to

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00:57:45,221 --> 00:57:50,441

screen is whiteness, is middle classness,

because that's not what made it.

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00:57:50,441 --> 00:57:51,491

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It's the hegemonic.

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00:57:51,851 --> 00:57:54,551

identities that make it to,

because those are the stories

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00:57:54,551 --> 00:57:56,231

that they think that we want told.

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00:57:56,471 --> 00:57:56,741

Those are

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00:57:56,741 --> 00:57:57,986

the stories that people want to consume.

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00:57:58,946 --> 00:57:59,336

-:

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Well, damn, I think I figured

out how to make us go live.

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00:58:09,067 --> 00:58:13,807

we will be, on YouTube 8:00 PM

Does that time work for you?

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00:58:14,227 --> 00:58:15,037

I didn't even ask

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00:58:15,067 --> 00:58:16,117

-:

A pm My chime or your

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00:58:16,117 --> 00:58:16,537

time.

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-:

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-:

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Yeah.

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That works.

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-:

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Halloween night, Friday, October 31st.

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We'll be live on YouTube at 8:00 PM

We will be in silly costumes and we

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00:58:28,267 --> 00:58:29,917

love you all, but we're honestly.

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00:58:31,222 --> 00:58:33,592

Don't have a ton of bandwidth

to rig up anything super

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00:58:33,592 --> 00:58:35,932

special for you, um, this year.

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00:58:35,962 --> 00:58:41,302

But we promise we will be funny and

we'll have some cool things to share

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00:58:41,302 --> 00:58:42,532

and then we'll watch a movie together.

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00:58:43,282 --> 00:58:45,262

you can either watch us watch it,

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00:58:45,642 --> 00:58:49,631

you know what, actually we could

just like share the, the watch party

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00:58:49,631 --> 00:58:53,411

link there in the chat of the live.

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00:58:53,411 --> 00:58:56,081

That way people don't have to give us

money, but we can still like, probably

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00:58:56,081 --> 00:59:00,461

control the spread of it because I'm

just afraid to put that out there

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00:59:00,461 --> 00:59:03,581

first and then it gets somewhere

that we don't want it to go, you

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00:59:03,581 --> 00:59:03,941

know?

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00:59:05,561 --> 00:59:07,511

By next year, we'll have it figured out.

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we have a Christmas party too?

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if you want, I'm up for it.

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00:59:11,488 --> 00:59:12,658

Sounds like fun to me

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00:59:13,228 --> 00:59:17,063

that the, that Book Club is doing the, the

Bitch That Stole Christmas, the RuPaul.

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00:59:17,938 --> 00:59:18,838

-:

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00:59:19,048 --> 00:59:20,788

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be a good one for us to do.

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00:59:21,478 --> 00:59:22,648

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I, yeah, I'm down.

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00:59:22,828 --> 00:59:23,338

That would be great.

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00:59:23,338 --> 00:59:23,578

I don't

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00:59:23,578 --> 00:59:25,798

know, I mean, I don't know

how I participate from

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00:59:25,798 --> 00:59:27,628

afar, but I would love to.

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00:59:27,988 --> 00:59:29,188

-:

I mean, we could do that on our

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00:59:29,188 --> 00:59:31,048

own, like do it as an event for us

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00:59:31,048 --> 00:59:31,498

too.

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00:59:32,083 --> 00:59:32,303

So

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-:

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be a good one for a Christmas show.

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you know, as, as usual the links to

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00:59:38,878 --> 00:59:42,508

everything we're talking about will

be in the show notes and, subscribe

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we'll see y'all next time.

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Say how to you, mom and them.

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