Episode 20

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Published on:

13th Oct 2025

The Breadstick Ballerina

Pets, queer stylings of the mid-90's, first jobs, and as usual lots of talk about food.

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Speaker:

Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that

puts the Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck, and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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Beck: Well, Linda's been on her thing

where she doesn't want to eat, but the

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last few days she has eaten really well.

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She ate some pancakes this

morning, like that's unheard of.

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Like she wanted a bite of

everything this morning.

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Dash: Maybe she's not eating

dog food because she knows she

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can get good shit out of you.

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Beck: Her dog food is good shit.

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It's like human grade.

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Like the, the last one that we've

tried Um, they're warm bowls.

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They're,

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Dash: Hole, they're light

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Beck: they're extra wet so that they

get the moisture so they get the liquid.

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It smell, there's one of them had

broccoli in it and it smelled horrible.

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Dash: It's so sometimes I'm,

I and I have not had dogs, so

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I don't know what they eat.

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And then finding out exactly how much

people food they eat is weird to me.

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'cause cats

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can't really,

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Beck: I had a cat that Gilly,

if you'll remember Gilly.

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He was a people food eater.

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He loved everything,

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Dash: yeah, they, they will eat it.

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Mine will eat a lot of things,

but it doesn't do much for them.

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Right.

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Their, little systems is not getting

a lot of nutrition outta 'em.

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Since they're obligate carnivores,

I think they just want people

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food because we haven't,

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Beck: Gilly didn't for a long time.

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And then he tried popcorn

and was like, hell yeah.

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And then he wanted a bite of everything.

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He got some chicken and was

like, I am here for this.

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Dash: that was Felix's gateway food

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was popcorn.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: Yeah.

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I've had them for a long time.

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Beck: GI and Ted were both

like 12 and 13 when They

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passed.

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Dash: That's how Old Oscar and

Felix are, they're 12 and 13,

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Beck: Linda's the oldest at

14, though she's still spry.

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This morning I was laying in bed.

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She'll lay down at the foot of the bed

and just lay there and bark, every few

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minutes if she wants something to drink

or if she's ready to get up or whatever.

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Dash: you know?

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Well today.

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Beck: in the floor, right, because

she's too little to jump up there,

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and she went and got her water.

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And I keep a crate, a milk crate covered

by a rug at the bottom of the bed.

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That's PETA's step to get up in the bed.

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at, at our old apartment.

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she was able, we had one of those by the

couch and she was Linda was able to get

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up on the couch by herself, and I guess

she has remembered that she can do that.

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And today she got herself up in the bed.

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So she's still spray.

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Dash: Yeah, I'm not sure.

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I, I tried to,

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I,

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I got them that fancy ass litter

box and I got real, extra and tried

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to put some steps in front of it.

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and they won't

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reuse 'em.

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Oscar's Like, no.

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I would rather

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struggle to drag my own ancient

ass up into this robot that

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eats my shit than use the

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stairs.

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Thank you

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Beck: that from their perspective?

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Dash: Yeah.

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I, it, it could go

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either way.

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It could either be like,

what are you doing?

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Or it could be like,

yeah, this feels right.

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You really, you should be cleaning up.

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Beck: natural evolution of

the, the way things should be.

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Dash: I remember seeing a cartoon one

time of a cat watching its owner scoop.

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Its little turds out of

the litter box and it goes.

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I've always wondered, what

do you want with those?

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That's a fair question.

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Look at this.

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He's like, pawing at me.

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Beck: Your mink stole.

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Dash: This is what he wants just to

drape his fat ass over my shoulder.

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Beck: He is a stink mole

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Dash: Look at this.

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Beck: You really don't have

to be reduced to this man.

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Dash: Right.

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You did this to yourself.

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This is brisket.

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He's one of the, I don't know, I think

all of them, all of mine are weird to me.

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The most normal of them is Ziggy,

but maybe cats are just weird.

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I mean, cats definitely have

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personalities.

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Beck: percent.

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How'd you get the name brisket?

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Dash: Okay, so he's from a litter.

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Sabrina's roommates had a cat

who has got outside and they kept

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one that they named gravy and.

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The, the rest of 'em, you know, people

took and brisket went to my sister,

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they tried to take him for a while.

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'cause they had lost their cat

who was elderly and the kids

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were pining for another animal.

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And then, so Vanessa was like, we'll try

this, but like, kittens are different,

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you know, like it, they just had to

learn, I guess through doing that.

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you don't simply replace a pet.

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Like there's a process to it.

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. And Vanessa was just like, I

don't have the bandwidth for this.

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This cat is peeing everywhere, hits needy.

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so.

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I had my little menagerie down there

on in Kentucky, and so I just took him

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and threw him outside.

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At the

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time, he only wanted to be outside,

and so I expected him to be

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eaten by something, to be honest.

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But he, he, was out there with

a bigger cat named beef . He was

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my

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mouser.

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So he lived outside.

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and he ate all the voles and the

snakes and, you know, all the things.

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And he kept, he kept it

nice and clean up out there.

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And so

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he, I guess looked after brisket.

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And

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so brisket grew up into adulthood,

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and then I had to move.

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so I was like, I can't leave him.

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I mean, that's just

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fucked up.

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People do that.

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I know they move off and leave

their, they leave their barn kits,

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they leave their mousers outside.

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So Vanessa took beef instead And so

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I just wound up with brisket,

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but I picked the name because originally

Sabrina and them, they were gonna name

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him biscuit to go along with gravy.

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And since he was hanging outside

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with beef, I start, I started calling

him brisket, and so now I'm stuck with

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this cat with the dumbest damn name.

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Beck: I like it.

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Dash: I, I appreciate it now.

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But it's like, you don't just

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rename an animal.

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So,

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Because the others, I don't

put a ton of thought into naming

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my animals.

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I know that's weird, but Oscar,

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Beck: somebody

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Dash: found him out.

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I, I

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found they're

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all found animals basically.

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So somebody found him outside down

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in Richmond when he was a

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baby, and he had a little broken

leg and they couldn't get, you

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can't get anybody to take in

kittens in Richmond because there's

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such bad feral colonies there.

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They just won't take kittens.

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Beck: so

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Dash: I took him in and they had

already named him Oscar, and I

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don't know where they picked it.

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And so I just

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was reading a book, actually at the time.

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I'm

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called extremely loud and

incredibly close and the main

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character's name in it was Oscar.

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And so I just decided, okay, you're

named after this character now.

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And then Felix, we've found in a

friend's house and Felix just means cat.

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And it also means lucky.

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a door fell on his head

uh, and he survived that.

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He's stupid, but, you know, he's fine.

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also Oscar and Felix are the two

characters in the odd couple.

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and Ziggy.

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found in a friend's engine.

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It was, I think the hottest day in

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Kentucky of

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Beck: 22

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Dash: like 111 degrees,

I think in July and.

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My friend had just got done

driving up from London, so her

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engine was hot and somebody had

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thrown, she clearly had

not been out there long.

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somebody had thrown her out in the parking

lot in front of the Dollar General there

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and she was so scared she climbed up in

that engine and it was a matter of time

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before she was gonna die of, overheating.

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so she called me 'cause she knew

that I could get cats out of, I

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don't know why, but this is my only

superpower is being able to convince

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cats to do things that nobody else

would be able to get 'em to do.

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So I got her out of the engine and

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she reminded me of a spider the way

she was trying to run away from me.

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She was so overheated and, and you

know, not well, but she was still like

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fighting like hell to get away from me.

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And she was this little

dusty looking, she's gray.

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She just reminded me of a spider.

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So I called her Ziggy after

Ziggy Stardust and the spiders

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from Mars.

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Beck: right?

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Dash: I didn't want her either.

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Just

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kind of got stuck with her.

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Beck: I was with Pita.

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I did not want pita at all.

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And she has lived up to

that a hundred percent.

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She is the grumpiest.

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One little dog.

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You And she's got it made in the shade.

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She knows I'm talking about her.

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Dash: she know

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her name dos, know their names.

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Beck: do.

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Dash: Do they ever try to get

each other in trouble, like

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frame each other for things?

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Beck: probably has and I've not caught it.

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Um, 'cause she's diabolical

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in that way.

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Dash: I don't know that any that they're

capable of, of that to that degree.

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Although sometimes I just think

that that's what they're doing.

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But Oscar is a manipulative bitch.

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If Felix has something he wants, he

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knows this doesn't work as well anymore.

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And they don't free feed anymore

because they've got the babies now.

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But used to when they had food, whenever

they wanted it in their bowl if Felix had

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a chair, a seat or a

blanket or something that

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Oscar, wanted, Oscar would

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go wherever the food was,

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and scratch around in it.

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So that Felix could hear

the sound of the food.

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And then Felix would jump up

and think, oh, we're eating.

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Oh boy.

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And then Oscar while Felix was eating,

he would go and sneak into the chair.

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Beck: first time I

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Dash: time I saw him do it, I was

like, is that what I just saw?

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And then I saw him do it over and over

again and I was like, you evil bastard.

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Beck: that's hilarious.

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Skiing cats.

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Dash: Yeah,

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They also do that creepy thing

where they eat with their fingers.

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Only Oscar and Felix have done this.

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I haven't seen the two little ones do it.

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cats, you know, they get

whisker fatigue if you

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have the wrong kind of bowls and stuff.

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And I didn't know all that stuff.

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I had, these are, Oscar and Felix

are the first indoor cats I've had.

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And So I was just feeding 'em outta

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straight up like Tupperware bowls

and it hurts their little whiskers

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to push their face down in there.

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And so they would, he would spread

his claws as wide as they would go,

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flex it out and then stick his hand

down in the bowl and relax him and

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come up with a handful of kibble.

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And there's videos of

cats doing it online too.

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First time I saw it, oh, I was violently

high the first time I saw him do this.

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And I was like, oh no,

they've got opposable thumbs.

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I'm done for.

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Beck: It makes me think of my cousin.

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She has a raccoon as a pet named

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Maggie.

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Dash: That's cool.

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Beck: it's like a little butterball ham.

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She said that it really is obsessed with

cigarettes and tampons, which makes me

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Dash: I think they, like, I've

seen a lot of raccoons carry

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in straws and things like that.

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They find, I think they like those long.

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I think they're like tools to

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them.

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They use them for something

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You can find all kinds of pictures,

videos of raccoons running

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around with cigarettes and things

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Beck: I sent it some, uh, dog

treats, some chicken jerky.

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I really enjoyed

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Dash: is, I mean, this, not

that this matters, but is there

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restrictions on having those as pets?

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Beck: had to have a license

to do it, and it's supposed to

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stay in a cage, but it doesn't.

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Dash: Oh my God.

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One time I had, so I said that Oscar

Felix were the first indoor cats

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I've, I've had, it's not quite true.

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I had a girlfriend that I lived with

for a while and we had a couple cats.

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But one of them got out

and we never saw him again.

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And then we broke up not long

after and she kept the other one.

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But when that cat got out,

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I

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put some traps out to try

to catch him and bring him

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back in.

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I caught everything except cats.

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I caught everything except him.

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And one so one day I caught a possum.

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This is the closest I've

ever been to an angry possum.

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'cause you have to open

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it up and let it back, like

whatever You caught out.

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Oh man.

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And this is like seven in the

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morning before I was on my way to work.

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It sucked.

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' cause the possum, they

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drool really bad.

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Have You.

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seen them?

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Beck: Yeah.

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They're disgusting.

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Dash: Yeah, it's, and it like,

it, it, they open their mouth real

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wide and they look at you at the

side of their, their eye and it's

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a all the, all around unsettling

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Beck: They scream too.

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They

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scream

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Dash: Yeah.

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And it, yeah, it was breathing

with its mouth like wide open.

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I think they're trying to unsettle you.

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I don't think they have many

actual, I mean they can be dangerous

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to smaller animals, but clearly

they are easily threatened.

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'cause the whole play possum thing, I,

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Brisket has got to be

in my lap all the time.

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I don't know what he is gonna do

when I have to go back to work.

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Beck: I like his little mustache,

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: Ty?

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Dash: He's got green

eyes his brother gravy.

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Looks just like Siamese.

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Well, probably is, I guess.

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I don't know if you can look like some

and not be, so he is got bright blue eyes.

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Beck: You you know how you're like, what

celebrity do I look like or whatever.

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Those quizzes.

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I always get an Asian person,

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Dash: What, why?

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Beck: my eyes.

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Yeah.

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Apparently I look Asian

to those computer models.

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Dash: Well, I think that There's

not a, a, a big understanding that

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other races can have mono lidd eyes.

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So like that's the predominant

feature I think that most people

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are familiar with of Asian and

ethnicities is that monoliths.

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But I have monoliths because I'm

from Geico and that's half of the

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phenotype of Geico is that So maybe

that's why I've never done one though.

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God, it sounds really offensive,

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Beck: So how's your week been

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Dash: man I'm stressed out

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' I'm stressed about tomorrow.

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Beck: What's tomorrow?

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Dash: It's my defense.

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Beck: I didn't know

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: how you, how you,

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feeling, man?

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Dash: I've been, working on a

presentation that I have started over five

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times probably.

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I don't know.

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I don't know why I do that.

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I, well, I, I know now That it's

just a, it, it can, it for me is a, a

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disordered part of, of having OCD, but

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if it didn't look exactly

right, I would delete the whole

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thing and start over again.

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And I, I do that so often

with, with all kinds of things.

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So I did that a bunch of times yesterday.

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Today I've gotten several slides in and

I'm, I'm not doing it, I'm not giving up

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again, so I'm just gonna make a few more,

starting to get real anxious about it.

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Beck: but you've got this.

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I mean, there's no worry.

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Dash: No, there's no, there's no worry.

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There's, you know, everybody who's gonna

be on the call is, is a cheerleader

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and is invested in supporting

students and wanting them, you know,

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me to be successful.

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I just

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want to feel like I have

done the best I can.

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when it's done.

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And um, maybe I'm just not being

the best friend to myself mentally.

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trying to imagine how

something's gonna feel,

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that's more than a waste of time

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and energy.

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That, that's actually,

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I mean, what happens when you're wrong?

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Are you disappointed then that you were

wronged about how it was gonna feel?

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I mean, you're just setting yourself up

for more things to be bummed out about.

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Beck: You got this?

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What time is it?

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Dash: it's 8:30 AM for

me, so nine 30 for you.

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Beck: Well, that's what time I start

teaching a class tomorrow, so I'll

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have positive thoughts going your way

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Dash: It'll be fun to

talk about the material.

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That is the thing I miss the most

about not being in um, I'm in

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higher ed, but I don't talk with

people who are doing research.

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I don't hang out with people

who are doing the kind of stuff

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that I really geek out about.

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And that's what I miss the most

about being in that like more

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academic side of higher education.

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I didn't know how bad it was until

I started working on it again,

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until I, you know, got re-enrolled

and started writing dissertation.

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I was like, God dammit, I really

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miss This Like, this is what I wanted when

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out of grad school.

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That's what I wanted to do.

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Beck: I've looked at my proposal

approximately 8,000 times in the last

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week, and I, I'm just so overwhelmed

by it that this weekend I'm gonna

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conquer it.

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Dash: somebody commented

something on YouTube

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that I thought was a really good question.

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Let me pull, pull it up here.

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Sometimes our YouTube comments are

delayed listeners, so if you put

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something on there and it, like,

we don't mention it for weeks.

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Beck: It's

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Dash: because I had to

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go digging for it.

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'cause it'll say there's

a comment, but it's not

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readable.

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So I have to go through back the back way

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or the front way, I

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guess, to our actual YouTube channel

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Beck: Okay.

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Dash: Yes.

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So someone named Techno Pop-Tart

asked, do we remember what

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was the first thing we

ever consciously chose

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to wear that we knew was

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a queer signifier?

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Like that we

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chose a piece of an

outfit or a clothing item

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knowing that it was a

part of queer culture.

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Beck: first big signifier would've

been my hair getting it cut short.

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Dash: I think for

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a lot of people who are assigned,

female at birth who are queer or

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want to present a different gender

than traditional femininity.

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It's the hair, the hair's a big one.

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Beck: I've had hair, short

hair most of my life.

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when I was younger.

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Mom cut it off.

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'cause I, once, when I was really

little, when I was like five, I had

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hair all the way down to my butt.

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But person I would let brush

my hair was my adopted father.

429

:

I became a real pain about it

So mom, just cut it all off

430

:

Dash: Did that like, was that upsetting?

431

:

Beck: I liked it short, but then she got

432

:

Dash: No.

433

:

Oh,

434

:

Beck: and I looked like a little

Michael Jackson at one point.

435

:

Dash: my mom

436

:

used to crimp my hair.

437

:

Beck: Have you ever seen the photo?

438

:

You've probably seen the photo

that I made it on Awkward Family

439

:

Photos for, right?

440

:

Dash: Oh yeah.

441

:

This is so, We'll get back on, on topic,

but I wanna put a pin in this because I

442

:

want, this is something I've been meaning

443

:

to have you bring up

on the show, but you've

444

:

got a couple of

445

:

bylines on some really famous

446

:

internet photos.

447

:

You, so you have

448

:

made it to the front page

of Awkward Family Photos

449

:

and you also

450

:

snapped a very famous photo.

451

:

You know the one I'm talking about?

452

:

Beck: photo,

453

:

Dash: Yeah.

454

:

Beck: my dubious claim to fame.

455

:

so I was a professional photographer

at the time and so I had a really

456

:

nice camera in the car with me.

457

:

I had to work the next day and I

was driving through Huntington, West

458

:

Virginia, and I look over and this

Burger King sign says, try our new anus

459

:

Burger And I cracked up laughing, right?

460

:

So I pull over and I get outta the car

and I take a picture of it and I posted

461

:

it and it kind of just went everywhere.

462

:

All at once.

463

:

Dash: This was Als, this was back

in the, the two thousands too.

464

:

Right.

465

:

So this had to make the rounds

on cheeseburger and on Reddit.

466

:

And I'm sure it wound up on

the four chan boards too.

467

:

I mean, it was everywhere.

468

:

It was in every listicle about like

typography or bad English and stuff,

469

:

because I don't remember why, but I

brought that picture up at one point back

470

:

when we, early on when we first met.

471

:

and you said you took it.

472

:

Beck: I can, I, I have the

original copy of it somewhere.

473

:

when we were moving, I found approximately

5 million DVD Or CDs with images on 'em.

474

:

I've got probably 300

CDs full of pictures.

475

:

It was on my MySpace page.

476

:

That's how old it is.

477

:

Dash: We gotta make something with that.

478

:

We gotta, we gotta make some sort of

Queernecks thing with, Tryer Anus Burger.

479

:

So I always dressed.

480

:

I wanted to, to dress like a boy.

481

:

And since all of our clothes came from the

yard sales or Salvation Army or something

482

:

those formative years, like when you first

have to start school and stuff, like,

483

:

that's where all our clothes came from.

484

:

It was pretty easy for me to

actually, for me to access

485

:

the

486

:

blue jeans and t-shirts and

487

:

ball caps that I wanted to wear.

488

:

They were not cool

489

:

clothes.

490

:

They were always 10, 20

491

:

years outta style or something.

492

:

But I just, I never felt

comfortable unless I was dressed in

493

:

what the boys got to wear.

494

:

Now, maybe that's not as big of a thing

495

:

unless you're going to some

496

:

sort of, you know, crazy uh,

private school or something.

497

:

But I think

498

:

now it's pretty normal for

girls to wear blue jeans and

499

:

t-shirts and stuff like that.

500

:

Beck: we were

501

:

much closer to the era of when women

were, had to be forced, like were

502

:

forced to wear skirts all the time.

503

:

Like sometimes I forget that

my mom was raised that way,

504

:

especially because she was

505

:

Pentecostal and my grandmother

506

:

Dash: God,

507

:

Beck: pants,

508

:

Dash: I don't know about my granny.

509

:

I mean, my grandmother wears OTs.

510

:

But I know that my mom and her sisters,

511

:

like they were hippies, So they wore

like the bell bottoms and mom like

512

:

embroidered the pockets herself.

513

:

And they wore, football jerseys as shirts

but they were real like counterculture.

514

:

My mom and her sisters

were cool kids, right?

515

:

Like they were the bad

bitches of the high school.

516

:

That was not my, that wasn't

the life I was living.

517

:

Beck: So I

518

:

Dash: I think I kind of always

dressed queer as soon as I had

519

:

any power but I didn't

understand it as queer though.

520

:

I under, I just knew that I felt

dreadful in anything that was feminine.

521

:

Beck: Me too.

522

:

Dash: it's hard to separate out when

I knew that that's what I was doing.

523

:

Beck: The feminine stuff

524

:

really gets to me too.

525

:

I, I've never felt comfortable

in overtly feminine things.

526

:

It was not as bad when I was like

15, 16, and I was going to prom,

527

:

Dash: 16,

528

:

Beck: felt

529

:

awkward or whatever,

530

:

Dash: felt

531

:

awkward

532

:

or whatever, but like, since I graduated

533

:

Beck: two times.

534

:

Once for a wedding, once for a funeral.

535

:

Dash: yeah.

536

:

the last dress I wore was

:

537

:

That was a bridesmaid.

538

:

Beck: Because

539

:

Dash: But I remember her telling

me, she was like, you can

540

:

wear a suit.

541

:

I don't care.

542

:

And I know

543

:

that

544

:

she was telling the truth, but

545

:

the fight

546

:

that that would've

caused with mom and maybe

547

:

even dad, I don't

548

:

know, some, it was a hit or miss whether

he would chime in on something like this.

549

:

And we had just

550

:

gone through, she got

married soon after David

551

:

died I didn't wear a dress,

and things like that.

552

:

when we had to be

553

:

seen for his stuff I was wearing button

down shirts and slacks and things and the

554

:

news

555

:

They, there was so much

556

:

news being written about us and

557

:

stuff like that.

558

:

They were misgendering me.

559

:

They were reporting that I was

560

:

his brother and that was

really upsetting to my dad.

561

:

I don't know how my mom felt

about it, but it was one of

562

:

the few times my dad actually like,

did go out of his way to make me feel

563

:

bad about not doing gender correctly.

564

:

And I think it was just because

we were so prominent at the time,

565

:

Beck: Makes sense.

566

:

Dash: so I didn't, I did not want to

go, I didn't wanna go through that

567

:

again, so I was just

568

:

like, it, it really

doesn't cost me anything.

569

:

Like, yeah, I wouldn't wanna dress

up like this and go places where I,

570

:

could be the of attention.

571

:

But this is your, your wedding.

572

:

So

573

:

to me, this is just like This

is like cosplaying something.

574

:

Beck: I was only, I think like 11 or

12 when my sister got married the first

575

:

time and had her big wedding and she

put me in a Pepto Bismol pink dress

576

:

with a giant bow on it with pink shoes.

577

:

Oh, I hated it.

578

:

I rem I remember my cousin doing my

hair and I was mad about it 'cause I

579

:

had to wear that stupid ass dress Bismol

580

:

Dash: looked pretty.

581

:

pretty fierce actually for

Vanessa's wedding because um,

582

:

somebody else picked out the

dress, somebody else did my hair,

583

:

somebody else did my makeup,

and I was like, this is fine.

584

:

Honestly.

585

:

I mean, I don't, I know that it's just

for today and everybody else is taking

586

:

like the agency over its execution, so

I'm just the canvas for whatever this is.

587

:

I didn't learn about queer culture

until, I probably learned about The

588

:

fact that it was a whole ass culture

that had its own like language

589

:

and, and signifiers in there, in bg.

590

:

I was in my, probably

in my early thirties.

591

:

Beck: Oh, wow.

592

:

Dash: It just wasn't something that

593

:

Beck: had

594

:

Dash: access to in Angelico.

595

:

And then where I went to school,

596

:

I didn't hang out with queer

597

:

kids because there wasn't many of them

598

:

that could be out at the time.

599

:

I mean, We were still having

to call the police information

600

:

desk to find out the location

of the gay group meeting.

601

:

' it's not that we weren't allowed

to, but like people were still

602

:

like, they would um, I don't know what

603

:

they were filling 'em with, but

they would fill up condoms with

604

:

stuff and throw them at us.

605

:

And like, It was just easier if

606

:

we met, met in secret.

607

:

And So it was so much trouble.

608

:

And once everybody once we got there,

all anybody wanted to do was hook up.

609

:

So I just quit going

610

:

and then just never understood

queerness as a cultural

611

:

component for the longest time.

612

:

Beck: Didn't

613

:

Dash: even know about the

614

:

Beck: Oh, wow.

615

:

I started sporting rainbows very early in

my weirdo, you know, somebody explained

616

:

it to me once that, um, straight

people, they go through a thing when

617

:

they're, you know, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.

618

:

They get to experiment with

crushes and dating and who they

619

:

and figuring things out like that.

620

:

And when you're queer, you don't

get that same kind of education

621

:

because you don't get to explore it.

622

:

most most queer people don't.

623

:

So when you do come out, it's

like you, you rush just have

624

:

some of those experiences.

625

:

And I think that's why some people go

overboard with the rainbows, number one.

626

:

Um, and number two, why they go

through so many relationships so

627

:

quickly when they first come out.

628

:

Um, because you're doing that whole

thing from, you know, in eighth grade

629

:

you had a different boyfriend every week.

630

:

that

631

:

was totally normal.

632

:

you just

633

:

Dash: Yeah.

634

:

Beck: same kind of, that thing

when you're, when you're older.

635

:

Dash: It is.

636

:

Yeah.

637

:

And it hits different too, as an adult.

638

:

It's, I mean, and, if you were

to put something like medical

639

:

transitioning in there, like my

640

:

God was that awkward,

641

:

just think about being an 11-year-old boy

642

:

Beck: and

643

:

Dash: all of the things that happened

to them and their appearance and their

644

:

body and their understanding, their

645

:

relationship to those things or whatever.

646

:

They go through that.

647

:

In fifth grade, I was 35 and in meetings

with the president of the university

648

:

and like I had some important

649

:

visible ass job

650

:

and

651

:

still experiencing literal.

652

:

puberty and it was just awful

and funny at the same time.

653

:

I knew about, I went to gay bars

654

:

and stuff

655

:

when I was in high school and

college, and I just never put it

656

:

together that there was a

whole culture happening there.

657

:

'Cause I, I just experienced it so

infrequently and immersively and when

658

:

I was there, I was just trying to

659

:

interact with as many people as possible,

660

:

you know, where I

661

:

learned a lot of queer

culture from RuPaul's Drag

662

:

Race.

663

:

Beck: See, I just, ugh.

664

:

I know people love that shit

and they like queer eye and all

665

:

that.

666

:

It is

667

:

too gay for me,

668

:

Dash: I, I don't love it.

669

:

I can't

670

:

watch it anymore, but

671

:

that's

672

:

where I learned

673

:

like what

674

:

the language was.

675

:

If somebody tried to use

676

:

queer slang with me, I

didn't understand it.

677

:

I didn't know what reading was.

678

:

I didn't know what

679

:

Shade

680

:

was

681

:

Somebody, I was in my,

682

:

I was pro.

683

:

I had already moved up to bg, so I was in

684

:

my thirties.

685

:

The first time

686

:

somebody said throwing shade to me I

didn't know what the fuck it meant.

687

:

So I literally knew nothing.

688

:

so I'm like, I'm like watching

RuPaul's Drag Race, like

689

:

it's a goddamn documentary.

690

:

I'm like taking notes, okay

what does this one mean?

691

:

And then I found the places that they

were drawing their references from, right?

692

:

Like, Paris is Burning, or the Queen,

or Priscilla Queen of the Desert.

693

:

I just had been super

sheltered from all things and

694

:

queerness fell into that gigantic bucket.

695

:

And so I had to then go on a, this mission

to educate myself about things via media.

696

:

'cause I couldn't have the experiences.

697

:

It was too late to go back for those.

698

:

Beck: I don't like things that have

a lot of masculine energy, like it's

699

:

just not for me Just too much for me.

700

:

It really is.

701

:

Uh, my wife has a friend

who is, bless his heart, he.

702

:

He plays with gender a

lot, but not in a fun way.

703

:

if that makes any sense.

704

:

Like,

705

:

Dash: Like

706

:

Beck: need to calm down.

707

:

Dash: the most, I don't know if it's the

most recent season, but um, there's a

708

:

Kentucky Queen on RuPaul's Drag Race.

709

:

named Lexi Love which is pretty

710

:

cool.

711

:

The drag scene

712

:

in Kentucky is actually pretty

713

:

lit.

714

:

Once I found out about it.

715

:

It was too late, like I learned about

drag and like the importance of drag

716

:

and stuff like that after I had moved

somewhere where it didn't exist.

717

:

So a lot of my exposure or,

learning and interaction with

718

:

drag, has been through tv.

719

:

Beck: Yeah, a lot of mine.

720

:

Too

721

:

I think that I had some bad

experiences with gay men and they were

722

:

Dash: Mm-hmm.

723

:

Beck: and I think it just, I don't

know, left a mark on me or something.

724

:

It just isn't as genuine as

I used to feel like it was.

725

:

So there are some people that

it's very genuine to, right?

726

:

I have a friend named Stewart.

727

:

I, God love him.

728

:

he is one of the gayest people

I've ever met in my life.

729

:

But he likes seeing show tunes at a, at

a piano bar on Sundays but people that

730

:

are just over the top for no reason or

that or that they're really flamboyant.

731

:

I just, I can't handle it.

732

:

It is too much for me.

733

:

That makes me a bad gay probably, but

734

:

Dash: if for a community like ours

whose formative years are so like

735

:

just awash in shame and stigma.

736

:

we don't have a lot of control

737

:

over what our responses are to, to

certain things or to each other.

738

:

Beck: I think me at a porn shop added

to that, was a lot of shame around that.

739

:

Dash: around sex in general

740

:

or around queerness.

741

:

Beck: around sex in general and queerness,

we just didn't talk about that was taboo.

742

:

The only queer stuff I

743

:

Dash: The only

744

:

weird,

745

:

Beck: before I started going

to the gay bar was on tv.

746

:

Like I didn't have any role models.

747

:

I didn't know anybody that was out.

748

:

I didn't have any gay

friends, anything like that.

749

:

I started from scratch, from zero from,

750

:

Dash: it was an out gay

guy in my high school.

751

:

think he was out.

752

:

I don't know.

753

:

But he seemed also he was

very effeminate and everyone

754

:

just sort of, I think, assumed

755

:

he was gay.

756

:

And I don't know if he

757

:

felt like arguing with them about

it, but he is, he was, he did, he did

758

:

eventually come out as gay and he was

a cheerleader and you know, he was like

759

:

that big personality, kind of, like loud

760

:

life of the party type of stereotype

761

:

Beck: but

762

:

Dash: since he was the only

gay person I ever knew.

763

:

I just thought that was just him.

764

:

I didn't meet a lot of

gay people at college.

765

:

The only time, I saw

766

:

other gay people was at the

bars and people are behaving.

767

:

You behave

768

:

a certain way at the bar.

769

:

Beck: do.

770

:

I smoked a lot of weed at the bar

' cause I've never been a drinker.

771

:

Dash: never been a, drinker.

772

:

Beck: was a, an apartment

773

:

Dash: there was a, an apartment

774

:

Beck: but there was an

apartment above the Stonewall.

775

:

Somebody and sometimes the drag

queens lived up there And so the,

776

:

door to that apartment was right next

to the entrance to the stonewall.

777

:

And people would go in that it had a

closed door so you could like sit in that

778

:

stairway and just sit there and smoke pot.

779

:

Dash: Yeah, I was, I was a drinker.

780

:

but,

781

:

you know,

782

:

going up to the bars, I

783

:

mean, you had to drive so far,

784

:

We just, honestly, once I got to college,

we honestly did not go to the gay

785

:

bar that much.

786

:

We just Went down to the straight bars

787

:

and tried not to think about being queer.

788

:

The

789

:

bar that we went to most often literally

had signs hanging up that said.

790

:

Only opposite sex dance pairings,

791

:

it was called the Family Dog

there in Richmond, Kentucky.

792

:

It was the bar that everybody went to.

793

:

I

794

:

got threw out of a bar there

for dancing with a Girl.

795

:

Beck: But yeah,

796

:

Dash: but yeah, like I would get,

I would just get slightly tore up

797

:

and forget that everybody else was

798

:

all in a bunch about

799

:

queerness,

800

:

and just act like I felt like acting

and then get myself into trouble.

801

:

Beck: When I moved to Lexington, I

moved in with my gay, my gay husband

802

:

at the time, and I went to work at

Meyer that won right on Man of War,

803

:

that Big Meyer, and I was a cashier

and I remember sitting outside one

804

:

day and I was smoking a cigarette

805

:

and

806

:

Dash: cigarette,

807

:

Beck: were out there and they

were smoking and I, they like.

808

:

Mentioned that they were

roommates or whatever, and I

809

:

was like, are y'all family?

810

:

And one girl was like,

no, we're not related.

811

:

And the other one was like,

that's not what she's asking,

812

:

Dash: they were

813

:

Beck: They ended up being really cool.

814

:

Um, well, the, the one girl

was a definite alcoholic.

815

:

so several

816

:

Dash: so, several bad things

817

:

happened to in,

818

:

Beck: and I kind of just

819

:

gave up and

820

:

Dash: I kind of just

821

:

gave up and moved back to

Huntington And when I was in

822

:

the process of, of giving up,

823

:

Beck: me live in their living room.

824

:

So I always appreciated

825

:

Dash: So I always appreciate

826

:

Beck: to go.

827

:

but no, I could never have survived

living on somebody's couch.

828

:

I moved home with my best friend

829

:

Dash: Home with my best friend

830

:

and I lived there for several years.

831

:

Beck: So I loved living

with my best friend and her

832

:

son.

833

:

Dash: My best

834

:

Beck: It was the closest I had to having a

835

:

Dash: I had

836

:

Beck: It was fun.

837

:

Dash: I moved back home

a couple of summers.

838

:

I lived back at my parents' house.

839

:

It was actually, it might've only

been two summers that I lived there.

840

:

And once was when I was getting ready

841

:

to go back.

842

:

up to school at EKU, I had come

back from where I was living in

843

:

my car out in western Kentucky.

844

:

I really did not like

living with them too much

845

:

Beck: Yeah, it was real awkward

846

:

after I came out.

847

:

Dash: It's also

848

:

just like it was So.

849

:

what to in, in my, you know, at the

time I was like, gosh, it's so small.

850

:

There's

851

:

nothing to do here.

852

:

now, I live somewhere where

there's literally nothing to do.

853

:

Beck: be,

854

:

Dash: I was doing the math

today on population density and

855

:

stuff like that because I was like, this

is rural, but it's the kind of rural

856

:

that, is not like the kind of rural I'm

857

:

used to.

858

:

So for instance, Kentucky

859

:

has twice the population density of

860

:

Minnesota It's half the size with

861

:

close to the same population.

862

:

But

863

:

it actually gets worse than that.

864

:

65% of Minnesota's population is

865

:

in the Twin Cities.

866

:

Kentucky is not like that.

867

:

Right.

868

:

It's like a

869

:

little over a million

870

:

people live in the metro

871

:

areas in Kentucky.

872

:

The rest of it is.

873

:

Jam packed with people in hollers cause

874

:

I when I got out here I was like, what

is something's, there's a factor I

875

:

did not take into account about this.

876

:

It is empty as hell.

877

:

Beck: Now

878

:

I

879

:

Dash: I understand why

people say land doesn't vote.

880

:

I do, I think some of the first like,

881

:

signifiers for

882

:

me, it wasn't it wasn't as much about like

883

:

'cause I was

884

:

already, you know, a gender

885

:

diverse person, but

886

:

trying to

887

:

create a style of my own having, being

888

:

able to go to the, the Salvation Army

by myself, you know, as an adult and

889

:

get whatever clothes I wanted, that was

a novel experience for me in college.

890

:

Beyond just signifying queerness.

891

:

I was trying to create

an aesthetic, right?

892

:

I was trying to, to

893

:

catch girls with, with how I looked.

894

:

And I went through a lot of eras.

895

:

Some of them were real bad,

but I had some hat eras.

896

:

I went through this phase and I still do

this sometimes because it's, it feels more

897

:

natural to me than the other way

of tying my flannel shirt around

898

:

my waist, but backwards so it

hangs in the front like a kilt.

899

:

And, um, the Velcro shoes from Walmart

newsboy hats, a lot of A shirts

900

:

Those, those.

901

:

undershirts.

902

:

Beck: love those.

903

:

It's

904

:

my like my favorite thing

to wear around the house.

905

:

Dash: Maybe let's uh,

hear from today's sponsor.

906

:

You see what's

907

:

happening over here?

908

:

Beck: I do.

909

:

Dash: All right.

910

:

This week's episode of Queernecks

is sponsored by Guy who takes his

911

:

guitar everywhere just in case.

912

:

Are you tired of Silence of Quiet

Moments that could have been

913

:

filled with an acoustic cover

of Take Me Home Country Roads.

914

:

Then you need this guy.

915

:

He'll show up to a bonfire, a

cookout, a memorial service.

916

:

It doesn't matter.

917

:

Before the casserole hits the

table, he's already tuned up.

918

:

He doesn't plan to play, but

he brought it just in case.

919

:

In case of what Travis, in case Tyler

Childers calls, in case the spirit moves

920

:

you mid potluck in case the world ends.

921

:

And we all need an acoustic cover

of Wonder Wall to get through it.

922

:

And we may give him grief,

but deep down we need him.

923

:

He's the first to start wagon wheel

when the Bluetooth gives up, he's

924

:

the one strumming softly in the

background while the night cools

925

:

down and the lightning bugs come out.

926

:

He'll play three chords, look off

into the distance and whisper.

927

:

It's not about being good, it's about

feeling something like poor penny s

928

:

laterally says, I didn't even know him.

929

:

He just showed up at the picnic,

played wonderwall, and somehow

930

:

my depression cleared up for like

two minutes before coming back.

931

:

Worse.

932

:

Old Cyrus McGee says he

brought it to jury duty.

933

:

He didn't even get picked, but

he stayed and played a song

934

:

about justice in the parking lot.

935

:

Joshua Smalley says, he taught me three

chords and told me feelings count as

936

:

lyrics, and I ain't been the same since.

937

:

So here's to him, the guy who never

risks an empty moment, likely out

938

:

of some undiagnosed social anxiety.

939

:

He's right behind me, isn't he?

940

:

Dear Abby, dear Ab, my feet are too long.

941

:

My hair's falling out.

942

:

My rights are wrong.

943

:

Wrong.

944

:

My friends tell me.

945

:

I no friends at all.

946

:

Won't you a letter, won't you

947

:

be?

948

:

Bewildered, bewildered.

949

:

You have no complaints.

950

:

You are what you're, and

you ain't what you ain.

951

:

So listen up, Buster, and listen up.

952

:

Good.

953

:

Stop.

954

:

Wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood.

955

:

Dear Abby, dear Abby, my fountain, my wife

follows Abby, and my kids are all freaks.

956

:

Every side I get up on is the wrong bed.

957

:

If it weren't so wish I.

958

:

Sign.

959

:

Unhappy.

960

:

Unhappy.

961

:

Unhappy.

962

:

You have no complaints.

963

:

You are what you are, and

you ain't what you ain't.

964

:

So listen up, Buster and listen.

965

:

Dear Abby, dear Abby,

you won't believe this.

966

:

My stomach makes noises.

967

:

Whenever I kiss, my girlfriend

tells me it's all in my.

968

:

Noisemaker,

969

:

noisemaker, noisemaker.

970

:

You have no complaints.

971

:

You are what you are

and you ain't, you ain.

972

:

So listen up.

973

:

I never thought that me and my

girlfriend would ever get called.

974

:

We were sitting in the back seat,

just the breeze with her hair up

975

:

and curlers and her to her knees.

976

:

Just married, just married.

977

:

You have no complaints.

978

:

You're what?

979

:

You're and ain't what?

980

:

Beck: That was awesome.

981

:

I

982

:

loved it.

983

:

That was

984

:

really fun.

985

:

Dash: That's the first song I

ever heard by John Prine and I

986

:

learned that music could be sweet

and earnest, but also ridiculous.

987

:

It's A lot of his music

strikes me as being queer.

988

:

Actually, it's super camp.

989

:

I was guitar guy.

990

:

I was,

991

:

egregious.

992

:

I brought it everywhere.

993

:

I slept on it.

994

:

Sometimes, like I

995

:

would take it.

996

:

to a party with me and

997

:

be like

998

:

Beck: just in case.

999

:

Dash: Yep.

:

00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:11,382

Beck: That's hilarious.

:

00:39:11,492 --> 00:39:13,427

I've never been a guitar guy myself.

:

00:39:13,427 --> 00:39:14,716

I don't know how to play any instruments.

:

00:39:15,216 --> 00:39:18,186

Dash: I used to be like actually

kind of good and I don't

:

00:39:18,186 --> 00:39:19,836

actually don't practice anymore.

:

00:39:20,071 --> 00:39:23,121

You don't need to be super good to be

able to like hammer out a John Prine song,

:

00:39:23,121 --> 00:39:24,651

though listeners, anybody

:

00:39:24,702 --> 00:39:24,822

Beck: that.

:

00:39:24,926 --> 00:39:25,046

Dash: that.

:

00:39:26,427 --> 00:39:28,287

Beck: I very much enjoyed

that, so thank you.

:

00:39:28,873 --> 00:39:30,433

Dash: He's got a Christmas song,

:

00:39:30,678 --> 00:39:35,266

Called Christmas in Prison that I

was thinking of doing as like a what

:

00:39:35,266 --> 00:39:36,886

you call it, a bonus or something.

:

00:39:37,025 --> 00:39:39,958

We could write some, some queer necks

lyrics though and put 'em in there.

:

00:39:40,279 --> 00:39:41,009

Beck: that would be fun.

:

00:39:41,661 --> 00:39:44,421

Let's do this week's noun

of Appalachian interest.

:

00:39:49,761 --> 00:39:50,151

All right.

:

00:39:50,151 --> 00:39:50,961

This week's down

:

00:39:51,031 --> 00:39:51,121

Dash: all

:

00:39:51,591 --> 00:39:54,501

Beck: interest is one of my

personal favorites around

:

00:39:54,501 --> 00:39:55,851

here in Queernecks Country.

:

00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:59,751

Giovanni's isn't just a pizza joint,

it's an Appalachian lifestyle choice

:

00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:03,891

with medical side effects, like

two nap afternoons, the sign says

:

00:40:03,891 --> 00:40:06,111

Giovanni's Pizza Power and they mean it.

:

00:40:06,381 --> 00:40:09,471

This is pizza with swagger, the kind

that looks you dead in the eye and says,

:

00:40:09,471 --> 00:40:13,161

yes, you're eating half now, and the

other half cold at:

:

00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:15,201

the fridge like a raccoon with insomnia.

:

00:40:15,771 --> 00:40:17,301

Born in Wheelers, Burg, Ohio.

:

00:40:17,301 --> 00:40:21,891

In:

little shop to a hundred plus across

:

00:40:21,891 --> 00:40:25,131

six states, which is exactly how

long it takes word to travel up the

:

00:40:25,131 --> 00:40:27,261

ridge and back as the crust snaps.

:

00:40:27,261 --> 00:40:31,191

The cheese stretches, but the sauce

is the star, rich, tangy, and a

:

00:40:31,191 --> 00:40:32,871

little sweet, like a wink from across

:

00:40:32,946 --> 00:40:34,246

Dash: like a from the

:

00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:36,760

Beck: Folks have been known

to drive hours for it.

:

00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:38,380

The cravings are real.

:

00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:39,790

Personal testimony.

:

00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:40,960

The baked spaghetti is

:

00:40:41,044 --> 00:40:42,904

Dash: bake spaghetti is powerful enough.

:

00:40:42,994 --> 00:40:43,234

Jerk.

:

00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:44,200

Beck: picnics.

:

00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:45,580

I have eaten my own body

:

00:40:45,754 --> 00:40:46,714

Dash: I have eaten my own body.

:

00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:47,410

Beck: tell myself.

:

00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:48,340

Save some for later

:

00:40:48,394 --> 00:40:48,784

Dash: Don't say

:

00:40:48,784 --> 00:40:48,844

so.

:

00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,620

Beck: means before the car is in park.

:

00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,400

It's fine.

:

00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,020

That's why napkins come in stacks.

:

00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:53,830

True story.

:

00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:55,000

When my mom was pregnant with me

:

00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,074

Dash: My mom was pregnant,

:

00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:57,190

Beck: the Italian sausage from

:

00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:59,170

Giovanni's, and I'm pretty sure it left an

:

00:40:59,344 --> 00:41:00,214

Dash: and I'm pretty sure it let

:

00:41:00,214 --> 00:41:00,904

the indel was.

:

00:41:01,015 --> 00:41:02,515

Beck: Every town with the Giovannis has

:

00:41:02,515 --> 00:41:03,265

its rituals,

:

00:41:03,454 --> 00:41:03,664

Dash: has

:

00:41:03,865 --> 00:41:06,865

Beck: victory feasts, birthday

parties where the candles melt faster

:

00:41:06,919 --> 00:41:07,139

Dash: the

:

00:41:07,915 --> 00:41:10,975

Beck: Teenagers splitting cheese

sticks on a date, and that uncle who

:

00:41:10,975 --> 00:41:14,365

swears he could make the same sauce

if he felt like it, he could not.

:

00:41:14,365 --> 00:41:15,865

He will not, and we all know it.

:

00:41:15,929 --> 00:41:16,149

Dash: not

:

00:41:16,345 --> 00:41:17,815

Beck: The best part they deliver to the

:

00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:18,383

Dash: thank

:

00:41:18,389 --> 00:41:21,479

Beck: If your address is left at

the second mailbox nailed to a

:

00:41:21,699 --> 00:41:22,179

Dash: mailbox

:

00:41:22,259 --> 00:41:24,449

Beck: then pass the goat

that judges, they'll still

:

00:41:24,579 --> 00:41:24,849

Dash: Judge.

:

00:41:25,499 --> 00:41:28,559

Beck: The driver's got four wheel

drive, a proper map older than your

:

00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:32,489

truck, and the kind of courage you

only get from carrying a pepperoni pie.

:

00:41:33,539 --> 00:41:37,379

pizza power isn't just a chain, it's

a red sauce gravitational field,

:

00:41:37,409 --> 00:41:40,769

and these hills power means that

you're, planning leftovers and still

:

00:41:40,769 --> 00:41:43,049

somehow opening the box just to look.

:

00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:45,899

Congratulations, you're coming

back for seconds, thirds, an

:

00:41:45,899 --> 00:41:47,399

apology to your future self.

:

00:41:47,933 --> 00:41:50,783

I'll never stop hoping they

open a franchise, Toledo, Ohio.

:

00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:51,475

Dash: Yes.

:

00:41:51,475 --> 00:41:53,875

There was a, there was a

Giovanni's in Richmond.

:

00:41:53,875 --> 00:41:54,625

still is.

:

00:41:54,964 --> 00:41:56,644

And I didn't know.

:

00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:58,024

I wasn't, I'd never heard of it

:

00:41:58,024 --> 00:41:58,654

I didn't know.

:

00:41:58,654 --> 00:41:58,834

And

:

00:41:58,834 --> 00:42:00,724

so when I got up there.

:

00:42:00,724 --> 00:42:01,474

and got introduced to

:

00:42:01,474 --> 00:42:02,704

Giovanni's, I was like, my

:

00:42:02,704 --> 00:42:03,724

world's different now.

:

00:42:03,894 --> 00:42:04,974

Beck: it is so good.

:

00:42:05,231 --> 00:42:05,381

Dash: I've

:

00:42:05,381 --> 00:42:06,011

changed.

:

00:42:06,151 --> 00:42:09,211

Beck: My mom literally craved the,

they would sell her little cups of the

:

00:42:09,211 --> 00:42:11,251

sausage when she was pregnant with me.

:

00:42:11,251 --> 00:42:13,261

And I, I really think

it left a mark on me.

:

00:42:13,452 --> 00:42:13,932

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:42:14,898 --> 00:42:15,948

Well, I, I, I don't

:

00:42:15,948 --> 00:42:17,958

know, you know, if there's

science or whatever.

:

00:42:17,958 --> 00:42:18,858

on that, but my

:

00:42:18,858 --> 00:42:21,108

mom craved pickles and I

definitely love pickles.

:

00:42:21,511 --> 00:42:22,351

Beck: Giovanni's fiend.

:

00:42:22,351 --> 00:42:26,821

I posted, I posted yesterday on

Facebook that it had been 365 days

:

00:42:26,821 --> 00:42:28,561

since the last time I had Giovanni's.

:

00:42:28,561 --> 00:42:28,681

Dash: I

:

00:42:28,776 --> 00:42:29,466

saw that.

:

00:42:29,621 --> 00:42:30,431

Beck: I keep trek.

:

00:42:30,821 --> 00:42:31,931

I, it's so good.

:

00:42:31,931 --> 00:42:33,491

Their pizza is just delicious.

:

00:42:33,491 --> 00:42:34,901

The sauce is amazing.

:

00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:35,626

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:42:35,626 --> 00:42:36,466

The sauce is good.

:

00:42:36,466 --> 00:42:39,616

They have the perfect ratio, you

know, like the, the thickness of the

:

00:42:39,616 --> 00:42:41,656

crust and like, They don't oversaw

:

00:42:41,656 --> 00:42:42,406

it on unders sauce.

:

00:42:42,406 --> 00:42:44,536

They're, it's not like

way too much cheese.

:

00:42:45,046 --> 00:42:47,956

And then those big, like

plate sized pepperonis.

:

00:42:48,667 --> 00:42:48,967

Beck: yep.

:

00:42:49,165 --> 00:42:49,825

They're so good.

:

00:42:49,825 --> 00:42:50,845

I love Giovanni's.

:

00:42:51,085 --> 00:42:53,575

Their baked spaghetti is

a home run all the time.

:

00:42:53,785 --> 00:42:55,165

Their cheese sticks are always good.

:

00:42:55,165 --> 00:42:56,125

Their pizza bread is good.

:

00:42:56,125 --> 00:42:59,035

My parents always like their

Italian sandwiches, like everything

:

00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:00,265

on the menu is just good.

:

00:43:00,655 --> 00:43:05,605

Five stars would recommend and they won't

deliver to Toledo because I have asked,

:

00:43:05,807 --> 00:43:06,947

Dash: What's it gonna cost?

:

00:43:07,877 --> 00:43:09,617

I'll save up every month and you can

:

00:43:09,617 --> 00:43:10,307

bring me a stack

:

00:43:10,307 --> 00:43:11,057

of pies.

:

00:43:11,228 --> 00:43:12,548

Beck: meet me in Columbus.

:

00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:13,478

That would be fine.

:

00:43:13,538 --> 00:43:14,078

I mean,

:

00:43:14,269 --> 00:43:14,719

Dash: How far is the

:

00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,409

closest one?

:

00:43:15,609 --> 00:43:19,059

Beck: um, Washington Courthouse,

which is about a two hour drive.

:

00:43:19,249 --> 00:43:19,569

Dash: a bit much.

:

00:43:20,064 --> 00:43:20,304

Beck: Yeah.

:

00:43:20,344 --> 00:43:22,654

They started in Wheelers Bur,

which is in Scioto County.

:

00:43:22,654 --> 00:43:27,652

So they're a very local, chain and

they have spread south, towards like

:

00:43:27,652 --> 00:43:32,152

Kentucky, West Virginia, North Carolina,

Virginia, down through that area.

:

00:43:32,226 --> 00:43:34,596

Dash: There's not a lot of

restaurants in most of the towns I

:

00:43:34,596 --> 00:43:36,606

grew up in, especially not chains.

:

00:43:36,876 --> 00:43:40,896

So I got introduced to the world of

takeout food when I was in college.

:

00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:44,273

Beck: when I was a kid, there was a,

a restaurant, it was called Jim Dandy,

:

00:43:44,273 --> 00:43:45,843

I think they're still Um, But you

:

00:43:45,977 --> 00:43:46,267

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:43:46,593 --> 00:43:47,253

Beck: delivery.

:

00:43:47,283 --> 00:43:51,243

They had a big mo and a Coke, and it

was 99 cents, and we would order like

:

00:43:51,303 --> 00:43:53,253

20 of 'em and have 'em delivered.

:

00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:53,522

And then

:

00:43:53,817 --> 00:43:54,037

Dash: Wow.

:

00:43:54,422 --> 00:43:55,952

Beck: was a constant in my house.

:

00:43:55,952 --> 00:43:57,542

We ate that all the time.

:

00:43:57,602 --> 00:44:01,832

And then my mom had like five recipes

that she rotated that we had, and

:

00:44:01,832 --> 00:44:03,152

that was pretty much all we ate.

:

00:44:03,662 --> 00:44:06,332

but takeout like McDonald's

was a rare treat.

:

00:44:06,332 --> 00:44:09,212

We did never ate at places like

Wendy's or anything like that.

:

00:44:09,212 --> 00:44:11,102

Like, I don't even know

when that became a thing.

:

00:44:11,363 --> 00:44:12,743

Um, I didn't eat there until I was in high

:

00:44:12,743 --> 00:44:13,043

school.

:

00:44:13,043 --> 00:44:13,133

At

:

00:44:13,137 --> 00:44:13,337

Dash: either.

:

00:44:13,931 --> 00:44:14,882

I remember The first time I

:

00:44:14,882 --> 00:44:15,892

had like that

:

00:44:15,892 --> 00:44:18,232

Americanized Chinese takeout.

:

00:44:18,232 --> 00:44:18,292

Uh

:

00:44:18,372 --> 00:44:19,091

Beck: I remember it.

:

00:44:19,141 --> 00:44:19,726

Dash: Oh, I was

:

00:44:19,726 --> 00:44:20,486

hooked immediately.

:

00:44:21,321 --> 00:44:24,839

Beck: Well, I was afraid because

my parents were very, racist, I

:

00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:26,549

guess is the best word to use.

:

00:44:26,709 --> 00:44:30,159

My grandpa fought the Korean War and

he had a thing about Asian people.

:

00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:31,209

And so

:

00:44:31,224 --> 00:44:31,514

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:32,919

Beck: we never went to anything like that.

:

00:44:32,919 --> 00:44:35,469

And my friend was like, if you

go eat with me, pay for yours.

:

00:44:35,469 --> 00:44:38,469

If you don't like it, I will buy

you McDonald's myself afterwards.

:

00:44:38,769 --> 00:44:39,969

And I was like, well, you can't beat that.

:

00:44:39,969 --> 00:44:40,179

Right?

:

00:44:40,179 --> 00:44:41,409

And then I tried sweet and sour chicken.

:

00:44:41,409 --> 00:44:43,839

It was gone like forever.

:

00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:46,089

It's my, like, one of my favorite

things in the whole world.

:

00:44:46,525 --> 00:44:49,825

One year, because for my, for in

my family, if it was your birthday,

:

00:44:49,825 --> 00:44:51,175

you got to pick where you go to eat.

:

00:44:51,295 --> 00:44:53,635

And one year I chose

the Chinese restaurant.

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Oh my God.

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It was an ordeal.

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My mom showed her ass and

my grandpa just ate chicken.

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Like that's all he ate was the, the

sweet and sour chicken with no sweet

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and sour, just like plates of it.

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Like it was When they stopped allowing

smoking in restaurants in Kentucky.

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We went to the Roadhouse for,

I think it was my birthday.

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And my mom got so mad that she

threw a crouton at the waitress,

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Dash: the Roadhouse.

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Beck: the Texas Roadhouse.

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Dash: Where at?

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Beck: Ashland.

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Dash: Oh, okay.

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I remember

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smoking sections.

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So when I was working in Pizza Hut, there

was a smoking section, which is just

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crazy, you know,

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Beck: Bingo was the worst for smoke.

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Dash: I see I've, I've worked at

a lot of places as they started

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to enforce a no smoking

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rule.

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I just got to experience that.

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in Multiple places, like two, two

different bowling alleys trying to.

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Just having to argue with

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people every fucking day.

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Yet, no, you can't smoke in here

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now.

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I don't know why

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it's different today than it was

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yesterday.

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Just, I, I didn't make this rule.

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Beck: Right.

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Yeah.

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Mom, mom would show her ass.

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But she was a waitress for many years

before they bought the, the shop.

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She was a waitress and I always

thought that would make you a

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better waitress, which to mom,

I, I tip like nobody's business.

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I'm always a 25 percenter,

and that kind of thing,

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Dash: Sometimes people I know who

are the hardest on servers were

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servers themselves, and it's like they

think that that gives them some sort

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of like moral high ground or something.

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Like I can judge them more harshly

because I know how it's supposed to

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be done, rather than, I can't imagine

what kind of day they might be having

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and can find it in myself to forgive

any minor flaw in their service.

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Beck: I'm definitely at the ladder there.

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Dash: Yeah.

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I'm almo, I'm a little

too good at imagining

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00:46:37,019 --> 00:46:38,189

myself in other people's shoes.

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00:46:38,659 --> 00:46:39,439

Beck: Well, I've had that job.

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00:46:39,439 --> 00:46:43,519

My very first job was the wait

was as a waitress and a a, a

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00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,679

dairy bar employee.

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00:46:45,949 --> 00:46:49,069

I learned how to make cones and

banana splits and that kind of thing.

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On top of being a terrible waitress.

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00:46:51,259 --> 00:46:52,009

What I learned from that

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00:46:52,009 --> 00:46:54,139

job is I don't like old

men telling me what to do.

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Dash: My

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00:46:55,066 --> 00:46:59,826

actually, my first job My first, like

legal paid job with taxes taken out was

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McDonald's.

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So I wasn't a server.

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I was

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00:47:02,436 --> 00:47:05,706

just a, a cashier and

I made McFlurry's and

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00:47:05,706 --> 00:47:06,966

got yelled at by people.

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00:47:07,068 --> 00:47:07,248

Beck: But

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00:47:07,362 --> 00:47:08,862

Dash: my, after that I started serving.

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00:47:08,862 --> 00:47:09,552

at Pizza Hut.

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Beck: Yeah.

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00:47:09,978 --> 00:47:13,098

I worked at Olis for like eight months.

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00:47:13,098 --> 00:47:13,938

That was an interesting

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00:47:14,202 --> 00:47:15,552

Dash: You are the breadstick, girl, right?

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00:47:15,828 --> 00:47:17,988

Beck: breadstick, breadstick, ballina.

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Cause I thought it was so funny that you

used a paintbrush to paint the 'cause.

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00:47:21,558 --> 00:47:23,718

They had that whirl

stuff, the fake butter.

:

00:47:24,138 --> 00:47:27,828

And to make their breadsticks, they just

put whirl and garlic powder together

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00:47:28,098 --> 00:47:30,078

and put those, like slapped them on.

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00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:33,978

They put breadsticks in a sheet

pan and then put that on the

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00:47:33,978 --> 00:47:35,058

breadsticks and baked them.

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00:47:35,058 --> 00:47:37,038

And that's how they make their

famous garlic breadsticks.

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00:47:37,368 --> 00:47:40,548

And I liked wielding the,

the paintbrush of butter.

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00:47:41,196 --> 00:47:42,846

I became the breadstick ballerina

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00:47:42,846 --> 00:47:43,836

Dash: This is controversial,

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00:47:43,836 --> 00:47:46,506

but I just don't like their breadsticks.

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Beck: FLIs.

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00:47:47,457 --> 00:47:48,057

Dash: Yeah,

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00:47:48,698 --> 00:47:49,268

I know.

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00:47:50,163 --> 00:47:51,543

I just, I don't get it.

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00:47:51,633 --> 00:47:57,093

They're, it's, it's just a, it's

just salt and that weird fake butter.

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00:47:57,684 --> 00:47:57,954

Beck: Yeah.

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00:47:58,338 --> 00:47:58,688

Dash: Maybe.

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00:47:58,938 --> 00:47:59,288

Maybe.

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00:47:59,448 --> 00:48:01,383

'cause I wasn't raised on

'em, you know, they're not

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00:48:01,383 --> 00:48:02,283

nostalgic to me.

:

00:48:02,283 --> 00:48:04,623

There's nothing, there

wasn't a foli anywhere

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00:48:04,623 --> 00:48:05,343

near me.

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00:48:05,523 --> 00:48:06,123

There was

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00:48:06,354 --> 00:48:07,494

Beck: it when I, was in high school.

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00:48:07,524 --> 00:48:07,764

Yeah.

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00:48:07,764 --> 00:48:11,064

I, when we had 'em in high school,

they came in and I was, I worked there

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00:48:11,064 --> 00:48:12,504

like the first year they were there.

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00:48:12,911 --> 00:48:16,080

It, I think it was my second job

or third job ' cause I worked at a

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00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,180

telecommunications for a telemarketer.

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Um, M-C-M-C-M-M.

:

00:48:20,697 --> 00:48:21,357

What was it?

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00:48:21,567 --> 00:48:22,347

MCM?

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00:48:22,407 --> 00:48:22,887

No.

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00:48:23,138 --> 00:48:23,538

Dash: MCI?

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Beck: Yeah.

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00:48:23,913 --> 00:48:24,393

There we go.

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00:48:24,393 --> 00:48:24,933

MCI, WorldCom.

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00:48:25,558 --> 00:48:25,778

Dash: the,

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00:48:26,413 --> 00:48:27,373

the fraudsters.

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00:48:27,843 --> 00:48:28,533

Beck: I was selling long

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00:48:28,873 --> 00:48:29,443

Dash: Yeah.

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00:48:29,574 --> 00:48:30,054

Oh man.

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00:48:30,054 --> 00:48:32,844

They were, there's a, there's

a documentary about them.

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00:48:33,674 --> 00:48:38,086

Well, I better let you go so I can

get off here and start working on my

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00:48:38,086 --> 00:48:40,516

dissertation defense presentation.

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00:48:40,576 --> 00:48:41,146

Again,

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00:48:41,856 --> 00:48:42,786

Beck: Sounds good to me, bro.

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00:48:43,091 --> 00:48:46,088

we never did Spin the wheel, the

wheel of what have you this week.

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00:48:46,525 --> 00:48:52,180

Dash: No, I, I just decided to use the

comment from YouTube and it's our prompt.

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00:48:52,755 --> 00:48:53,985

Beck: Well, good luck tomorrow, bro.

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00:48:53,985 --> 00:48:54,705

Dash: thank you.

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00:48:54,705 --> 00:48:55,755

It's, it'll be fine.

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00:48:55,815 --> 00:48:57,885

I just wanna put together

something that I can feel

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00:48:57,885 --> 00:48:58,335

proud of.

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00:48:58,655 --> 00:49:00,455

Beck: You know, you can start

making appointments and call them

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00:49:00,455 --> 00:49:01,985

doctor's appointments now, right?

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00:49:02,175 --> 00:49:02,325

Dash: Oh,

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00:49:02,775 --> 00:49:03,465

this is smart.

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00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:03,860

Beck: Yeah.

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00:49:03,860 --> 00:49:04,580

Dash: I can also start

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00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:05,270

charging more.

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00:49:05,516 --> 00:49:08,186

Beck: you hang out with a friend

who's also a PhD, you can call

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00:49:08,186 --> 00:49:09,176

it a doctor's appointment.

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00:49:09,176 --> 00:49:09,656

So

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Dash: Yeah.

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00:49:10,051 --> 00:49:11,101

Beck: I'm so proud of you.

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00:49:11,345 --> 00:49:13,055

Dash: Let's, We're not there yet.

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00:49:13,780 --> 00:49:14,470

Beck: Well, you're gonna be

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00:49:14,525 --> 00:49:16,625

Dash: I'll let you, I'll let,

I'm gonna text you as soon as

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00:49:16,625 --> 00:49:17,435

it's over tomorrow.

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00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:18,405

Beck: be just fine darling.

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00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:20,530

You know it and I know it

and everybody knows it.

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00:49:20,763 --> 00:49:21,453

Dash: Yeah.

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Well, listeners, stay tuned.

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00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:24,213

if, if,

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00:49:24,243 --> 00:49:26,463

We're scatter, if I'm

scatterbrained during this episode.

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00:49:26,463 --> 00:49:27,633

now, you know why.

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And uh, we'll,

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you'll get, you'll get

an update next week.

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but yeah, subscribe to the

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Dash: of cool stuff this

week in there I noticed.

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