Episode 19

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Published on:

6th Oct 2025

The Tall Tale of the Lonesome Trombone

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This episode has ghost stories, giggle fits, and get off our lawn! Is that a funeral or just a midwest homecoming?

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Transcript
Speaker:

Welcome to Queer Next, the podcast that

puts the Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck, and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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what I thought was a funeral

possession turned out to be

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the high school's homecoming.

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Because it was so quiet.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: How

close do you live to the school?

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I'm

across the street from it.

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Uh, although maybe the

game doesn't, I don't know.

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It was really weird.

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And then they turned and

came straight down my street.

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and that's how I saw that it was a parade.

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It wasn't parade.

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It was, um,

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: A

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gathering.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

a polite gathering that all

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drove down one street together.

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There was the, the ambulance and fire

trucks had, there were sirens going.

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And, um, it was just the one

convertible with the, I guess

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homecoming king and queen sitting in it.

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And that very clear signifier is

the only reason I put together

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what it was the most solemn affair.

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And then, but since I was home, I went

outside on the porch and I was gonna,

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you know, stand and clap and cheer and

stuff as they, I assumed there was more

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to, to come by and I don't think that

that's what I was supposed to do because

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every, like, even the people driving

by and like the fire trucks and stuff,

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they just kind of looked at me really

funny, like kind of cross-eyed and I

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was like, I'm doing something wrong.

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And I don't know what it is,

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What's my motivation in this scene

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: That's funny.

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I used to live right near a

high school too, and their

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marching band drove me crazy.

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They would practice at

seven 30 in the mor.

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I love a good marching band.

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I really do.

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Like I have been to band

competitions for fun.

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You know, I was in the marching

band, I was in the flag court.

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I love a, can kiss my ass at

seven 30 in the morning, is

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all I have to say about that.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: like what?

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Masochist came up with that.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right in a

residential neighborhood, and it would've

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been different if they, like they faced

my house so all of their little horns

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I'm picturing

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them just like lining up down the sidewalk

with their tubas and whatnots aimed

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directly at

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your window.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: That's

what it felt like because they were

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like half a block away.

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Oh,

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fuck you in particular.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: for real.

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You could hear 'em in the living

room when they would practice.

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I mean, we were that close.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I, I hear

everything that happens in this town,

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so I'm kind of, I'm glad it's a ghost

town because there's no, there's, it's

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not like there's topography or trees

or anything to, to bust up the sound.

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If, if a thing occurs, everyone

in town knows about it.

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I don't know who it is, but there is

a, sounds like a young person like a

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young adult, not a child, not a retiree.

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Not even somebody my age.

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Like someone sounded like, it

sounded like some frat boy shit.

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Somebody was out woo hooing at

like midnight, one in the morning

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and I was like, who let you out?

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I didn't, I did not know we had your

kind here in this quaint little township

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: It's crazy what

beer and cheese curds will do to you.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

Have you had cheese curds?

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I have,

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

Oh, there are lit.

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Lit.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I like

to, when they're fried, I mean, I

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don't know if there's any other way

to have 'em, but they're delicious.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I assumed

they were all fried, but then you

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saying that makes me realize I don't

really know what makes a cheese curd.

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Is the curd, the cheese?

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Is that redundant?

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I don't know.

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I just know they're delicious.

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I

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: they

got those at my gas station.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: yum.

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They're just little cheesy nuggets.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

I socialized this week.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Wow.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: know,

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: So your lesson

on making friends last week helped.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: you know, uh,

me, me and like these, to be a functioning

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member of society classes that I take

every day, just like taking notes.

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Literally, I'm, I got no shame.

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I'm like, teach me daddy,

I'm missing something.

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Somewhere along the way,

something never computed for me.

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but yeah, it was a work party.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Nice.

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How was

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that?

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: it wasn't bad.

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I mean, I was.

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Wildly anxious.

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And it, when I say party, I mean,

just revisit the story I just

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told about the homecoming parade.

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You know, this was 10 dead sober

people sitting around in an empty

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bar with, some good music playing.

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There's a, a coworker who has a great

collection of, vinyl and their way

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of socializing is to be in the DJ

booth, and it's always a great vibe.

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and people were really nice.

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when you're, when you're out for

something that you kind of feel bad

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about, like not being able to fix,

you know, already, I think your brain

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can lie to you a little bit about what

other people are thinking about you.

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Like, they're like, you're a slacker.

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You're not holding up your end of

the, you know, work or whatever.

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And I knew that they didn't actually

think that, but you know, going

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there got, gave me some direct proof

that, they just like me and they

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hope that I'm getting help and stuff.

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But it was a lot of work.

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Just the, the way my anxiety

works now, like my, my ticks and

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like hand my rituals and things

have really gotten outta control.

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And I was just like, I can't sit

still while we're doing this.

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And nobody was standing up mingling.

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So you can't do the whole like, hillbilly,

lean or whatever to, I think that's that.

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I think that's how we, uh, deal

with social anxiety is the various

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forms of like leaning and crouching.

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We do.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I was

at the post office earlier and I

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was leaning up against the table.

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that you mentioned that.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: We crouch down.

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Have you ever seen people do that?

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They'll be talking, especially

farmers or something.

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They'll be standing next to each other

in the middle of nothing and something

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serious needs to be talked about.

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and they'll crouch down to rest and talk.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: As somebody

that was a catcher, a softball catcher

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for a long time, I know that position

is not comfortable, I don't know

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why you would do such a thing.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: they

have a way of doing it that

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah,

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I, I

guess they, it takes their weight

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off of their back or something.

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I don't know.

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I just remember the old men doing it.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

that's interesting.

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How was your week otherwise?

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: um, I mean.

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I am doing my little homework

assignments that they give me in

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grippy Sock School, What about you?

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It's one of those weeks that

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you'll forget in a few days.

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slogging through, you know,

class and class and class and

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class and grading and email.

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Oh my god.

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The email, they send me so much email,

I even tell them the first day of class.

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Don't send me email.

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And unless it's like really

important, and then they're

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just like, when is the midterm?

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And I'm like, check the fucking syllabus.

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I get, I have 137 students this semester.

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And if every one of 'em email

me, like, that's too much.

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I, I don't get paid enough to,

to deal with all that email

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Can you tell

them like, here's, here's a list of,

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topics I will answer an email about.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: no, I, I give

them the major policies and things that I

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get a lot of emails about right up front.

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Like, I give, like my, I tell 'em that,

that way I don't have to decide whose

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reason is important to miss class.

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Maybe one person is subbing their

toe, maybe the other one didn't

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have gas money to come to class.

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Like, I don't know.

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It's up to you.

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Use your five, right?

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You don't have to email me.

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I I don't need your, they will

email me and tell me about the

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drama on the bath, in the bathroom

and like all of their business.

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And IJII love 'em, but I don't care.

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I don't,

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So they're oversharing

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via email.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Oh yeah.

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Big time.

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And so, I tell 'em not to email

me and they email me anyway.

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And then, yes, I will take your late

paper 10% off every day that it's late.

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Right?

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Just get it in.

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You don't have to ask, can

I turn something in late?

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Just do it.

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Right?

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Like I give them policies up front

like that, and I still get a million.

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The ones that are on the syllabus drive

me crazy, like, when is the midterm that

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is posted in like eight different places?

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And I gave you a copy of the, the

freaking syllabus the first week

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of class, you know what I mean?

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And plus it's on canvas.

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Like you could just click on a

few buttons and you can literally

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download the whole thing.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah,

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: One of

them emailed me the other day, um,

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he said, first he emailed me and

said he had a fever and he didn't

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know if he should come to class.

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And I was like, well, you

know, that's up to you.

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And then he emailed me yesterday and

he was like, well, I still have a,

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um, a bit of a cough, but not a fever.

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Should I come?

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I'm not your mother.

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Like, decide that on your own, honey.

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I, I, that's not my job.

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It's just I have a

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: it

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: that I'm

responsible for, but telling you

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whether their cough is too serious

to come to class is not one of them.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: interesting.

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I don't think you could do, I mean, you

can't take that liability anyway, right?

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You're not a safety officer.

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You're not a.

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a health and safety person?

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: No, I,

it's, it's wild what they tell me.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: that's, I,

this is me like projecting, but maybe

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they're more likely to communicate with

professors that they feel care about 'em.

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'cause

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I bet

there's not every, I bet there's

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plenty of professors that they're

not wanting to email all the time.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right.

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I just wish they would realize I've

answered most of their questions already.

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It's just there's so much of it.

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Like one or two a week would be

fine, but I get like six emails

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a day, you know what I mean?

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Of random students

needing something stupid.

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And it's like that's, that's, that's 20

minutes to a half an hour of my day of

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just answering stupid emails, if I got

all that time back, it would be great.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I was teaching.

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so, we sound super, get off

my lawn and, and that's fine.

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I don't care.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

Sometimes you have to be.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: but even

though that is very clearly what, what

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is happening here, let's be clear that

it is no one's fault that this is the

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communication strategy they were given.

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it is not a 17 year old's fault

that this is the way that they have

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been, conditioned to communicate.

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And you know, the way that they

have been taught to be a student

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or even an independent person, the

level of independence that they

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have, it's not their fault they

showed up to, to college like this.

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And I remember I was

teaching, writing when.

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the smartphone thing happened.

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Remember that moment in time in 2009 when

all of a sudden everybody had a smartphone

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They had a big screen.

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that had internet capability?

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Like they could put their email on.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: the, the

iPhone three, I think it was the

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first one that was 2008 when it

was widely available to everyone.

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And then just a year, 18 months

later, every single student had one.

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And I remember noticing then how

communication changed from one school

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year to the next, to the next year.

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It was an entirely different,

framework set of expectations

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for how students communicated.

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And I was just like, what have we done?

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There was one time, so

I taught two classes.

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It was like English 1 0 1, right?

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Just freshmen, and I

taught them back to back.

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So one was at like 9 0 5 and

the next one was at 10 15.

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And there was, a young woman in

the second class and the 10 15 1,

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she came to class every single day.

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She never said a word.

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She never had the textbook with her.

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she, she brought her phone and remember,

you know, like the Cheeto girl on,

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um, on TikTok, this, it's just kind

of a meme and archetype of a, of a

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certain kind of cis straight white

girl who, carried 20 keys, key chain

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on one of those, like Vera Bradley.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right.

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The pocketbook things with the

window for your license and stuff.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Clutch.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: A clutch.

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Yeah, they would have that, their

red bull and their cell phone.

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And that was all, that was their world.

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That's all they needed to conquer the day.

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So that was how she rolled into class

every day she would sit down her jangly

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ass janitor keys and she would look at me.

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she never broke eye contact

actually while I was lecturing.

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She was, there was nothing I could

fault her on except for just this

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weird feeling I had that she was

not there while I was lecturing.

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She wasn't participating.

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She was simply waiting her turn to

get up and go to the next thing.

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And I was like, I foresee some issues with

when it's time to start turning in papers.

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'cause in writing class in English 1 0

1, that's it, bitch, that's your grades.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah,

I just taught that, so, yeah.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: But the

thing that really cinched, it was

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one day I was in my 9 0 5 class.

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I did not have a smartphone because

I was a fucking adjunct professor.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: afford one.

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I had my little flip phone.

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so I didn't know all this had

unfolded until I got back to

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my office and checked my email.

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So I taught my first class,

and then I went into the second

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class, and she wasn't there.

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And she, she never missed class.

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And so we went on whatever taught

class, and then I got back to my office

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to check my email, and I've got like

just a barrage of emails from her

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they're written in text message format.

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And the first one just said,

are we having class today?

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And of course I didn't answer it

because I was teaching at the time.

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She sent it.

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It was during the first

class that she sent this.

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and then the next one.

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can you reply please?

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And then the next one, I'm in

class, where's class happening?

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And I was like, what is going on?

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Is she okay?

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it just kept going that way.

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Like, uh, I need you to reply.

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I don't know where I'm

supposed to be and stuff.

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She's clearly crashing out.

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And the last one was like, well, since you

can't be bothered to reply to my email,

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I guess I'm going to just leave class.

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But you can't, say I wasn't here

because I was in the room and I was

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like, you, you were in the room at

AM class starts at:

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and I replied, and I was like, I was

teaching when you were sending these,

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because I have a class before our class.

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Are you okay?

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do you need to meet and talk?

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What's going on?

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And she said, oh yeah, my

first class got out early.

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And so I just, I always go to your

class after my first class, I think

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she thought, I just live in that room

and I spawn there, like a fucking,

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just waiting to start class

when she gets in there.

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First of all on your cell phone, you

could have looked at the syllabus

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where it says what time it is.

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Like none of those things occurred

to her, but sending me 20 emails

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freaking out about why I'm not

in class with her at that time.

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She wasn't the only example of this.

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She was just the most consistent.

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And so at through throughout the

rest of that year, I was like,

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something's different about this year.

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That was 2010.

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And that's now they're just all like that.

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Not all.

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But now that that is, that's so

common that we can't even get support

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on how to handle it, on how to get

ahead of it, on how to negate it.

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It is simply, that's what

students are like now.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

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Or you'll, they'll send you an email at

like eight 30 at night and you see 'em at

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class at noon the next day, and they're

like, why did you respond to my email?

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Because I'm not attached to my email 24 7.

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I'm just not,

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: And

if I was, I would ignore you,

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: yeah.

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I mean, yeah, exactly.

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It, it is just wild.

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The expectations that they have.

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Sometimes I love 'em to death.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I love teaching.

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It's just some of the little

that, that come with it.

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Every job has its irritants, I guess.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Every

job does, have its irritants, and

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I mean, working with people who are

at an entirely different stage of

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their life as you is challenging.

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but when you are responsible for

those people in some sort of halfway

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removed pseudo mentor position slash

slightly parental, sometimes it just

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gets too weird to try to figure out.

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Because on the one hand, it's like, I want

you to understand that this is a boundary.

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But on the other hand, I don't feel like

trying to teach you about boundaries.

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Like I feel like that one's beyond me.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: right.

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I also had, when I taught the

English class down at Shawnee

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State, I had a kid , he showed up

for every class, every one of them.

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He participated.

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He was like the, the

comedian of the class.

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Really.

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He was like kinda outgoing.

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he showed up and he

talked about everything.

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Didn't turn in a single

paper all semester.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

Yeah, I have those too.

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Showed up for every class.

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No paper.

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Not one paper.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

Did you ask him about it?

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Oh, yeah.

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He'd be like, oh, I'm,

I'm will get that one in.

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Don't worry about it.

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And I'd be like, okay.

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But there's only so many

times you can ask him.

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You know what I mean?

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It's like not my job to hold his

hand through every, the whole thing.

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You're either gonna do it

or you're not gonna do it.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: You know, I

think that that is a healthier approach

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than if, let's take the second round

there and say like, I'm not gonna do it.

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the willingness to still show up to class.

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Look the professor and your

peers in the eye knowing that

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you haven't done your work.

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I mean, that is preferable.

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my response, if I knew I hadn't done

the work and knew I wasn't gonna do the

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work, I would simply stop going to class.

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Not just that class.

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I would quit just in case.

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And this is how you,

this is how OCD works.

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Not just that class.

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I'd have to quit going to all classes.

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because professors might know

each other and they might go

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like, well, he was in my class.

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Why would, is it in your class?

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In my mind, I was that big

of a problem for everybody.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right,

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: So, if

I had simply been able to show up

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to class and give the professor

an opportunity to go, you fucked

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up, but you can have another shot,

things could have been easier for me.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: right.

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I remember the first time that I was an

undergrad, I just barely went to class.

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Right.

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And I remember on two separate occasions

I tried going back to class after

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missing a few and I was basically

laughed out of the room in both

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Uh, what

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: yeah,

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: by.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

one was an English professor,

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and, the other was a math.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Hmm.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: The math, I

kind of understand 'cause you move so

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quickly through that kind of stuff.

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But I remember the English

professor's name, I've looked

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her up before in like hexter.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I think

the, the most extreme example of

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like a clash with a professor I had

he was an English professor and I

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think he thought that I was arrogant.

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I had to glean this from him, so,

okay, so I had done that thing right

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where I had skipped the maximum amount

of classes and then maybe a couple

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more and he let me back into class

maybe he felt like he shouldn't have

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done that or something, or whatever.

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So it comes time for finals day, and this

was just a survey course, so it was one

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of those, like all of literature from

the dawn of time to the 16 hundreds.

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so the, final was an in-class essay

on various prompts about literature.

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And this was my, first year.

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And I didn't know that finals were at

a different time than regular class.

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And so this was a 1 25 class normally.

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so I was just gonna go to class at 1 25.

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I was sitting up in the, dining

hall and my friends were like,

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don't you have a final right now?

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And I was like, well,

it's like, not till 1 25.

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And they said, no, they're

at, they're on the hour.

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So it started at one o'clock and

I was like, Jesus fucking Christ.

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So I threw my food away and sprinted.

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It was just across the quad luckily.

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And I got in there like 20 minutes late.

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Egregiously late to a final.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Oh

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wow.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: you have two

hours to do them because they're essays.

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so I, I ran in and I

was like, I'm so sorry.

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And then, he gave me my test and

I sat down, wrote my essays got

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up and handed it to him and left.

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And he followed me out.

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And I, thinking back, I realized like

I only spent about 30 minutes on it.

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and I was the first one to hand it

in and I had been 20 minutes like

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coming to class and he was offended

by that on, probably on, on top of a

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long list of other things that he'd

been stewing over that I had done.

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And I didn't really think about it.

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And he had no way of knowing

that that is simply how fast

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I write those kinds of essays.

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but he followed me out into the

hallway and screamed at me and

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said that I was ungrateful and Was

destined to fail and just a bunch of

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really, really personal, mean shit.

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and I was like, my God, what?

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I feel like that kind of like, made

me not want to go back to classes

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after I had fucked up even more.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: for sure.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: And he said

he was gonna fail me, but he couldn't.

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because I had got an A

on the final, Mm-hmm.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: If you find

one that means you were looking at

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the readings, you know what I mean?

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And if you don't find them and

never know about it, then you didn't

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crack open the readings like once.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I do

that for in my syllabus, but I've

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never done it for readings before.

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That's, pretty smart.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Very rarely

do they find it though, in the syllabus,

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because I don't tell 'em it's in there.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I get one

or two, uh, semester that find it.

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Yeah.

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I put it in the academic honesty policy.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

Oh, that's a good spot.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Well, let's give

this wheel, what have you, a spin there.

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There's only four little options on here.

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you need to start

filling it back up again.

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Okay.

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We landed on tall tales.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Tall tales.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Are tall tales

part of the culture where you're from?

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Like just now?

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Basically that's what I was doing,

like telling a tale in a long,

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exaggerated and dramatic way.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

Oh yeah, especially the men.

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My grandpa could wind a

story like nobody else.

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My papa, I th one of my favorite

stories he ever told me, I think I

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talked about it on the first episode.

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He, uh, was 12.

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he was born in like twenty one,

twenty two, somewhere in that area.

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So in the thirties he was,

there was prohibition, right?

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So they had stills up on the hill And,

they sent him running 'cause the law

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was coming, the revenues were coming,

he ended up getting caught, right?

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He was running down the road and

they ended up catching him and he

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was shaking real hard and they put

him in handcuffs and they're like,

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boy, what are you shaking for?

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And he was like, I'm cold.

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He was like, boy, it's the middle of July.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: My Papa Parrot

He, he liked telling jokes that way.

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one, this one always sticks in

my mind and every time it's,

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it's summertime I think about it.

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the mosquitoes were real bad one

summer, and we were sitting on

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the, you know, on the front porch.

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he was telling us I was trying

to go to sleep last night and the

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mosquitoes was buzzing around.

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he would mimic the sound.

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He would say like, they'd

go by my head going

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And then he, said, and I then I heard two

of them talking and they were arguing.

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I heard one of them say, well,

should we eat him here or should we

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take him back to the nest with us?

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And the other one said, well, if we

carry him back to the Nest, those big

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mosquitoes might take him away from us.

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And I was like, how big

are the other mosquitoes?

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So I was born at a

hospital that was haunted.

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That became haunted, yeah.

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this might not be true, but I believe

David was one of the last to be

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born there before it was shut down.

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In 82.

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So, in, in Corbin, Kentucky, there

was a hospital and we just called it

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the old Corbin Hospital, and it was

only functional for like 30 years.

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They built this whole thing

for like $600,000 in the

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fifties , and it shut down in 82.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Wow.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: so there

was, in high school, we would.

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Tell stories about like, how haunted

it was and the slayings and things

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that happened there or whatever.

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But, the thing that I think made

it such a, a myth for us was

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that it was never torn down.

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It stood until, 2005.

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Yeah, it stood until

the early two thousands.

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So it had been shut down for.

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20 years and just kind of rotting there.

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And so people would go up there,

there was graffiti all over it.

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The morgue was underwater.

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it had obviously been broken into,

there were no lights up there because

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it was halfway up a mountainside.

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And we would go up there and like

dare each other to climb down into the

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morgue and get into the water and stuff.

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I mean, people, if you got, if you stepped

your toe or something, you'd get sepsis.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: but that

was one of the, we would do stuff

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like that all the time, like go to

the haunted places and then dare

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each other to go inside or something.

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And so my, my mystique was always

that I was born there, cause

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none of the other kids had been.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: That's

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really cool.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: we

went up there, one night and I.

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Was like, I think people are living here.

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I was like, these people

just wanna be left alone.

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We should go.

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. beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: There

was a place, um, there was a big

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water reservoir, in Portsmouth.

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actually the baseball fields were up on

top of it, where I, where I played T-ball

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and little League and stuff like that.

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and at the base of it, there was this

really old looking house and the story

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was that it had been a monastery.

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and that they had shut it down.

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Turns out years later, I found out

it was just a pump for the reservoir.

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They built a house around it just

for aesthetics and like everybody

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talked about how it was this, uh,

monastery for years and years.

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That was what everybody said.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: They

were there any haunted graveyards?

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: There's one

really creepy one with a, World War I

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graveyard in the middle of it, like a

dedicated, there's a, a special like the

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statue up for it and that kind of thing.

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it's really eerie to walk through and I

used to live like a block away from it.

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but I was always kind of chicken

shit to go into those after

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dark,

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I did, most

of my exploring of, of places like

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that in Williamsburg because on the

mountainside or in the trailer park.

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And so it wasn't very

easy to get anywhere.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: right.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: was, it

wasn't until high school where I

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could drive and I had, some friends

who knew about, 'cause I like being

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somebody who was from outside the area.

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I didn't know all this local lore.

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And so they're the ones who my friends,

Ben and Carey in particular, we would go

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out We would try to see Mulberry Black.

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And it's so interesting the way

those things look in your memory.

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in my mind, I can perfectly

picture this monster,

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

I've not heard of that one.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

it's a Williamsburg thing.

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it's just a, it's kind of like pad

foot, in, um, Scotland and the uk and

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so I'm sure this just comes from that

of a large black dog it's like a omen.

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It's a bad omen or it's a harbinger,

or it could mean that the, border

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between the living and the dead is thin.

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so this was a huge black mountain

lion, like the size of, a small

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car with the face of a person.

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I don't remember how it worked.

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There was some sort of.

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Ritual you did, or thing you

said, or something like that.

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And if you sat your, if you stopped your

car on the bridge, and said the right

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words or something, then Mulberry Black

would come and walk around your car.

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So you had to sit there with your

lights off and roll your windows down

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and it's the middle of the woods.

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It's some of the most fun,

like heart pounding terror.

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you could experience, we did that

shit every weekend as soon as

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it started to get cool outside.

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Like we, that, that was

a favorite of ours to do.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: That's

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awesome.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: yeah, but

I know for a fact I never actually

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saw it, but in my mind's eye, I

know exactly what it looks like.

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I can see its face, I can see this kind

of weird half human, half cat face.

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I think that's The, like, only

crypted hunting I've actually done

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

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My only connection to the

paranormal are those ghost horses.

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and you'll never convince me

I didn't see what I saw, so.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: The mountain

could be real creepy sometimes.

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And talking of like tall tales,

sometimes the things that we would do,

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the, the stories you have to tell after

being somebody who grows up that way.

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Just out like go, even if you only do

it once or twice in your childhood, you

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can get 20 stories outta just being out

late at night in the woods somewhere.

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I think I, I might've mentioned

this once before Mom and dad, they

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worked crazy hours a lot of times.

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And so, I was in charge a lot

and for a long time there.

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Vanessa was always a good kid, but even

David was a good kid for a while there.

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And so mostly we just had fun.

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But I would have some

real dumb ideas sometimes.

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And one night, I don't know whose idea

it was, but I decided that it was okay

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to do, even if it wasn't my idea, go up

to the top of the mountain we lived on.

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So we lived, we lived on one

side of Geico Mountain, which

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was, is part of the Smokies.

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and at the top of it is a big long

rock face, and we decided that it

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would be really, really beautiful

to watch the sunset up there.

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it's about an hour and a half hike

up there, maybe, maybe even further

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for kids, even probably further.

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And you can spot the flaw in

this logic from space, right?

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: How

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you gonna get back?

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Well, it

was not easy, and we were up there

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and it, it was like we were the dumb

characters in a movie where we just

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were realizing our mistake in real time.

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It didn't once occur to us on the way up.

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And we're up there on top of this

rock face, which is really difficult

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to climb up even with daylight.

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Um, and sitting up there, we,

you, we could see forever, we

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could see the Cumberland Gap from

the top of this mountainside.

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It was, an incredible view and

we were correct that it was

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amazing to see it at sunset.

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And then we started to realize

that we were absolutely fucked.

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sitting on top of this, the rock

face itself was about 50 feet,

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Wow.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: And

those rocks are, there'll be trees

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and stuff growing out of 'em.

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So they were roots and stuff

for us to climb onto, but it

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was still a sheer rock face.

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And so we climbed down it.

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There was still little bit of

daylight left, but by the time

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we got down it, it was all gone.

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And that is maybe, I don't know about

the most scared, but that it's just a

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particular kind of scared when you know

that you are hours away from anyone who

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can help you in woods that are so dark.

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I'm trying to think now, like it

might be kind of a rare experience

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to be in a place where you can put

your hand in front of your face

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and not be able to actually see it.

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'cause there's light everywhere now,

We always have access to light and

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that is such a powerless feeling.

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And I could just hear David.

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I couldn't see him, but I could

hear him falling and screaming

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and crying and I was just like,

I have actually, uh, murdered us.

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There's no way we're, we're

not gonna survive this.

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Which is not true.

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Right.

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If we had just stayed put.

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And listeners, by the way, if this

ever happens to you, stay put.

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Don't do what we did.

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somebody will come and find you.

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but we just decided to try

to run down the mountainside.

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I don't know why we didn't break

every bone in our body because we

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were just fucking ass overt kettle

rolling down this mountainside.

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And we fell into the mine,

the quarry, there was a gravel

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quarry, next to the mine there.

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' beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Wow.

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I was in so

much fucking trouble when I got back.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Oh, I

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I.

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But they were so scared though that

they were, I don't remember if I was

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grounded and I deserved it if I was,

but it was one of those times where

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like they were too scared to be angry.

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You know?

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I cannot imagine what a parent

feels in a situation like that.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

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It would be so scary to be a parent.

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Like sometimes I think about one

time I was talking to my mom and I

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was going somewhere for her, and I

was going down a stretch of highway

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where the speed limit was 70.

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So I was doing 75 and she

was like, don't be late.

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And I was like, mom, I'm

going 75 miles an hour.

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And she was like, don't tell me that.

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you know, and I think about that.

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It's something so random, and I

think about it all the time when

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I'm going 80 down the highway

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dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: if you

have ever experienced that kind

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of claustrophobic, total darkness

feeling, it's very easy to just close

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my eyes and put myself back there.

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And I knew I was hearing

Creatures of the Night.

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I knew there was, because there were

mountain lions and stuff up there, so

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I was like, they're out here hunting.

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:

I know they are.

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beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: We would have

to walk from mammal's house to my house.

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So it was just out the driveway, but it

was a good, I don't know, 10th of a mile.

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just a gravel driveway.

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And I'd often forget my flashlight or

whatever it was 'cause I have to walk

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dinner out to Mammaw or whatever it was.

721

:

Or we'd be coming back from Christmas

and the only light there was would

722

:

sometimes there would be some moonlight

and you'd have to like watch where

723

:

you're going very carefully, there were

no streetlights out there whatsoever.

724

:

there's just no artificial,

there's no light pollution.

725

:

Where I lived, there's very little,

726

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Yeah,

there wasn't any, like there was

727

:

even a streetlight at the end of

down Pilot Drive where we lived, like

728

:

a couple of streetlights, and they

just got sucked up into the darkness.

729

:

It, it didn't even make a dent.

730

:

when we moved up to Kentucky, there

wasn't a driveway for the longest time

731

:

and the trailer sat real far back on

this plot of land next, um, sort of

732

:

next to the tree line, and we'd have to

park the, the van or whatever we drove

733

:

out by the road because it would get

stuck in the yard and it was not very

734

:

far at all, like you say, but It was

enough that a few steps in, you're like,

735

:

who's behind me or what's behind me?

736

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: right.

737

:

Yeah.

738

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I was

convinced all the time that something

739

:

was watching me from the tree lines.

740

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Well, so

one time I was like 16, Or 17 maybe.

741

:

And I came home, I had forgot

something and so I had my

742

:

best friend with me, right?

743

:

So I pull up and I'm bebopping, we

just barrel down the driveway, got

744

:

the music going, whatever, right?

745

:

And I hop out of the car.

746

:

What I don't know is that my dad was

doing the walk down the driveway, right?

747

:

And he was, he came up over the

little hill that was the driveway.

748

:

And I didn't see him.

749

:

And so, he waited, I ran in the house and

I came back out and he was waiting on me.

750

:

And I like, came down the stairs and heli.

751

:

He had a big beard and he flipped on

the, the flashlight under his chin.

752

:

And he said, what are you doing?

753

:

I literally jumped so fast.

754

:

I went over and under my car.

755

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Oh man.

756

:

Oh, I got a good story.

757

:

this is when I was in the metro.

758

:

So the, the road we lived on was,

right down the road from Cumberland

759

:

Falls State Park Listeners, give us

a shout out if you have ever been

760

:

to Cumberland Falls State Park.

761

:

They called it the Niagara of the South.

762

:

a lot of cool things about that park, but.

763

:

It was pitch black on it,

never a light anywhere.

764

:

And I was driving my little metro probably

too fast around this curve that goes

765

:

right up by the exit to go down into

where the Cumberland Falls State Park

766

:

is, which is actually a cut really deep

into the Daniel Boone National Forest.

767

:

there was another car coming.

768

:

I could see the lights and they

were flashing their lights at

769

:

me warning, and I was like, oh,

this could mean a lot of things.

770

:

So I checked my brights and I was

like, okay, my brights aren't on.

771

:

I didn't see anything, so

I just kept on going and.

772

:

Then they're like flashing

them faster and faster at me.

773

:

And I was like, what is going on?

774

:

And then I start to hear ho honk,

they're laying on the horn and then I can

775

:

hear screaming and they're like, stop.

776

:

And I just like freaked out.

777

:

I was like, what is going on?

778

:

And so I just stopped my little like gray

pebble geo metro in the middle of 25 W.

779

:

And then I hear, clap, clap,

the sound of hooves on the road.

780

:

And through the open window, a

horse tail brushes past my face.

781

:

Like Itbr, it hits me with its its tail.

782

:

And I had stopped like a foot

away from a giant ass horse.

783

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Oh

784

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I had been

driving at probably 60 miles an hour.

785

:

Couldn't see it 'cause it was black and

it had escaped from the stables there.

786

:

They have riding stables at the falls.

787

:

You can take, you know, horse,

little tours down there.

788

:

And so it had got out and that

if that other car hadn't been

789

:

there, I would not have seen it.

790

:

'cause my little geo metro

was not lighting up that road.

791

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Right,

792

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I still have an

intrusive thought of that other car wasn't

793

:

there and I just drove smack into this.

794

:

I mean, what is a, what is

a full grown horse weigh?

795

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: right.

796

:

We almost ran into a cow

one time on a back road.

797

:

Came around a curve.

798

:

There was a cow standing

in the middle of the road.

799

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

How much does a horse weigh?

800

:

900 pounds.

801

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Wow.

802

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

to two to:

803

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Wow.

804

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

would have killed me.

805

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

806

:

maybe you jumped timelines.

807

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

maybe that's what happened.

808

:

Have you ever read a book

called The Ghost Eye Tree?

809

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: No.

810

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

This was one of our favorite

811

:

story books when we were kids.

812

:

And it was a, a, you know,

a Halloween favorite.

813

:

and mom, she loved, she was really

good at reading stories to us.

814

:

we were fortunate that

she was really literate.

815

:

and she would be really dramatic

and do voices and things.

816

:

so the horror story she was particularly

skilled at, and this book, I bought

817

:

a copy of it and I, I wanna get a

tattoo of it, but this was mine.

818

:

And, David and Vanessa's.

819

:

One of our favorite books ever.

820

:

And it is, it's about this, basically

this like phenomenon of walking

821

:

alone at night in a rural area.

822

:

And the way everything becomes

sinister, the way the trees and

823

:

the grass and the, the birds and

stuff, become, like a horror show.

824

:

And it conjures this feeling.

825

:

And it's just some kids, like you

were saying, carrying uh, the pals

826

:

of milk down you have to do it.

827

:

It's somebody's job to do it,

and you have to do it, but

828

:

it's the scariest damn thing.

829

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

830

:

I didn't like being sent

dinner when it was dark out.

831

:

Oh.

832

:

I hated doing that because I, I had

seen snakes in the driveway before.

833

:

Right.

834

:

And like, ugh.

835

:

I, when we moved back there, um, to take

care of the property, a couple last year

836

:

or whatever, was driving down the driveway

one day and a snake came flying out of

837

:

the side of the hill I refused to walk

down that driveway again, like ever.

838

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

They like shoot out at you,

839

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: They did.

840

:

They shot out right over the driveway.

841

:

It was wild.

842

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241:

snakes, get up to shit, man.

843

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah, they do.

844

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: have you

ever had that feeling like where you

845

:

accidentally touched something that

you didn't know was there like a,

846

:

a snake or a spider or something?

847

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Uh, not touch.

848

:

Um, one time we were at the aquarium

in Cincinnati and we were like

849

:

at the end of the tour, right?

850

:

We'd been walking for a long

time and we come to the end of

851

:

the thing and there's this room.

852

:

it's a big room and there's

big glass panels, like huge,

853

:

like it's a big aquarium tank.

854

:

And I'm kind of up, uh, I I get

up to the glass 'cause I don't see

855

:

anything, and then I look over and an

octopus has its arm coming at me and

856

:

it goes, and I literally jumped over

a baby stroller to get out of there.

857

:

I felt like I did the Scooby-Doo

move, like where my, my feet went.

858

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Uh, I, there

was some things are so good at camouflage,

859

:

and I, the most, the times I most often

touched stuff that I didn't know was

860

:

there and wished I hadn't was around the

pigpen, like slopping the pigs because

861

:

there was so much to eat down there.

862

:

There was always stuff

hanging around down there.

863

:

And the first time I can really

remember grabbing a wolf spider,

864

:

was slopping the pigs and.

865

:

I wasn't paying attention.

866

:

And I, if you've never slapped pigs,

867

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I have not.

868

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: you put on

muck boots that go up to your knees

869

:

because a pig pen, the ground, the

floor of it is a combination of a bunch

870

:

of shit and clay, mud and old food.

871

:

And so you sink into

it four to six inches.

872

:

So walking through a

pigpen is really difficult.

873

:

and we weren't, when we were kids, we

weren't heavy enough to really yank cause

874

:

the muck boot you gotta like slurp it

back up out of the, out of the pig shit.

875

:

So we would use the fence posts and

like grab a hold of the fence post

876

:

and like drag ourselves forward.

877

:

And I went to do that and I put my hand

on top of a fence post and it moved.

878

:

The whole top of the fence post felt

like another hand under my hand.

879

:

And I knew that was wrong, of course,

and I took my hand off instantly.

880

:

But I looked at the fence post and

I couldn't see anything different.

881

:

I just saw fence posts.

882

:

It was, you know, whatever

it was, was the top of it.

883

:

And so I thought, okay, you know,

it's rotten or something, or

884

:

there was leaves or something.

885

:

I went to walk past it and if

you've ever seen a wolf fighter

886

:

do this, man, it is something.

887

:

But this fence post became all

legs on the top and it, it raised

888

:

its two front legs up when a

spider's threatened, it'll do this.

889

:

It'll raise its front

legs up at you and like.

890

:

I can, in my memory, there

is a sound of hissing.

891

:

I seriously doubt that was really there.

892

:

I kind of doubt this

spider was cussing me out.

893

:

But the, it definitely did the hand

thing and I, and I, and it was like

894

:

you saying the Scooby-Doo thing.

895

:

I'm stuck in shin deep pig shit, and

I can't run away from this thing.

896

:

And it's just there waving.

897

:

It's big ass, like half

of its spider arms at me.

898

:

And I was like, I couldn't get away.

899

:

I'm holding rot, a bucket of

rotten food and I'm just screaming.

900

:

And I felt like such a city kid

901

:

I love wolf spiders, though.

902

:

They're so cool.

903

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Hell no.

904

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I

don't want to touch 'em anymore.

905

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: My closest

experience with a spider was, the, the day

906

:

or night before I graduated high school.

907

:

I was asleep and I got bit right here

on my forehead by some kind of spider.

908

:

And so I had a big scab right here

when I graduated from high school.

909

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Wow, that's,

you must have smooshed it or something.

910

:

Must have felt it on there.

911

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

912

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Uh, did

you know Wolf spiders can fly?

913

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: No,

914

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: It's not really.

915

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: my dad

hated because spiders, spiders

916

:

I can deal with unless they're

big, but snakes I can't handle.

917

:

And my dad Mark, was the same way.

918

:

Um, one time we found one in the, in the

backyard and I was like, there's a snake.

919

:

And he came out with his gun

and shot it three times and

920

:

it was like a garter snake.

921

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I, I am not

particularly scared of snakes, but they

922

:

don't get in the house, so they're,

I think that's the difference there.

923

:

Like spiders, everything makes sense

to me outside, even if I don't feel

924

:

like giving it a hug or a kiss.

925

:

But snakes, I've never had to

experience them coming in the house.

926

:

I know.

927

:

I'm sure someone out there has,

928

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

Oh yeah, my friend,

929

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Yeah.

930

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

that had one that was in the

931

:

walls and they would see it.

932

:

They'd go to get it?

933

:

Yeah.

934

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Incorrect.

935

:

Ooh, no, don't like that.

936

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yep.

937

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: wolf

spiders, they can't, it's not flying

938

:

really, but they can parasail.

939

:

So if it's real windy, they

spin a web with their front.

940

:

legs or spin rants or whatever and

go like, and cast it like a parachute

941

:

and then the wind catches it and

they just travel around that way.

942

:

And I only found that out because

one of them landed on me one time

943

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Oh God.

944

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: that is

the most violent I have ever visited

945

:

upon a single living creature.

946

:

I don't like to kill things, especially,

you know, if there's, you know, whatever.

947

:

But man, I sure took that fucker out.

948

:

Not today.

949

:

I did it with a broom.

950

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

I'm glad you're all right.

951

:

I'm glad you survived.

952

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I remember

seeing it come at me, it, because

953

:

it landed around my forehead and

I was like, that was definitely.

954

:

Coming at me like it was

in control of this thing.

955

:

That's like the last thing a

person sees before a xenomorph

956

:

comes outta their chest.

957

:

so I googled it and I was like,

this is like one of those Google

958

:

searches where you're like, I

can't believe I have to type this.

959

:

But I was like, Ken, spider's fly.

960

:

And the answer is no, not really,

but they can glide around on,

961

:

little things that they spin.

962

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Web parachutes.

963

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Mm-hmm.

964

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: That is

kind of a neat trick to have, though.

965

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Yeah.

966

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I'd blow myself

all over campus if I had that option.

967

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: I used to

have these dreams that I could do that.

968

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

Oh, flying dreams.

969

:

So do

970

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: yeah,

971

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: love 'em.

972

:

I love 'em.

973

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: me too.

974

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: I swoop,

975

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Yeah, it's, and

it's sometimes it's like I'm a flea and I

976

:

can just jump really high, like superman.

977

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241:

that's a new one.

978

:

I haven't heard that one, but

I can usually just fly around

979

:

whatever area that I'm in.

980

:

I'm just like Superman with my arms out.

981

:

I had the weirdest dream last night.

982

:

I dreamt that I was holding

somebody's baby and I sat it down

983

:

on a bed and it fell forward.

984

:

And when it sat up, its

whole nose was like gone.

985

:

It was just a big triangle

in the middle of its face.

986

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Like Voldemort?

987

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

988

:

How weird is that though?

989

:

Like why am I injuring babies in my sleep?

990

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Yeah.

991

:

Like what's your brain trying to tell you?

992

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Yeah.

993

:

I don't know.

994

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: Maybe

it was about you, maybe your, your

995

:

nose was smooshed and you were

trying to breathe in your sleep.

996

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: Have

you ever heard the meatloaf story?

997

:

The meatloaf Dream?

998

:

dash_7_10-03-2025_164241: No.

999

:

beck_7_10-03-2025_174241: One

time I dreamed, um, I was a

:

00:42:39,036 --> 00:42:40,506

non-smoker when this happened.

:

00:42:40,506 --> 00:42:44,406

I dreamed that I went to a, a

Super America, a Speedway, the

:

00:42:44,406 --> 00:42:46,476

one in Portsmouth specifically.

:

00:42:46,746 --> 00:42:49,896

And I went up to the counter and I

bought a pack of Marlboro Lights,

:

00:42:49,986 --> 00:42:52,176

and she was like 5 79 or whatever.

:

00:42:52,176 --> 00:42:55,686

And instead of money, I pulled out

a hunk of meatloaf and broke off a

:

00:42:55,686 --> 00:42:59,436

piece and slid it across the counter.

:

00:42:59,706 --> 00:43:02,886

And she like raked up all the,

like, the, crumbs of it and

:

00:43:02,886 --> 00:43:04,386

everything and gave me money back.

:

00:43:04,686 --> 00:43:05,166

And

:

00:43:05,771 --> 00:43:07,081

-:

Whose meatloaf was it?

:

00:43:07,711 --> 00:43:08,821

-:

:

00:43:08,881 --> 00:43:09,961

I don't know.

:

00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:10,319

And

:

00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,299

why was it, how did I know

how much it was worth?

:

00:43:12,299 --> 00:43:12,869

Like,

:

00:43:12,914 --> 00:43:15,764

-:

she, who decided this exchange rate?

:

00:43:16,793 --> 00:43:18,473

-:

what was my brain trying to say in

:

00:43:18,473 --> 00:43:20,723

that, that interaction right there?

:

00:43:20,798 --> 00:43:21,803

I, I don't know.

:

00:43:22,086 --> 00:43:23,706

-:

remember my dreams that often.

:

00:43:23,766 --> 00:43:25,566

They, I think they're probably terrifying.

:

00:43:26,016 --> 00:43:27,936

-:

medication to help me not remember them.

:

00:43:27,936 --> 00:43:29,556

'cause I was having nightmares so much.

:

00:43:29,841 --> 00:43:31,221

-:

There's medicine for that.

:

00:43:31,236 --> 00:43:32,196

-:

:

00:43:32,196 --> 00:43:34,446

-:

cool because I'm sure that if you

:

00:43:34,446 --> 00:43:37,801

are somebody who has nightmares all

the time, your life is probably hell.

:

00:43:37,801 --> 00:43:38,281

-:

:

00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:41,200

-:

at me in my sleep, this is not cool.

:

00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:43,290

-:

I had just so much stress going

:

00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:45,960

on that my brain was just over it

:

00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,380

-:

:

00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:47,470

-:

know what else to do.

:

00:43:47,890 --> 00:43:49,120

But give me these nightmares.

:

00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:52,060

I don't really have 'em very often

anymore that I remember anyway.

:

00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,200

So I had a

:

00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,280

recurring dream where I was packing

everything and I had like five minutes

:

00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,160

left and I had to find, like, figure

out what I wanted to take with me,

:

00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,450

what was important and what isn't.

:

00:44:01,810 --> 00:44:05,980

And it would either be my dorm room or my,

my bedroom at my mom's house or whatever.

:

00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,080

and they were gonna tear down

the building or they were gonna

:

00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,580

blow it up or whatever it is.

:

00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:13,000

And I had five minutes to decide what was

important to take, what I could carry.

:

00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,200

And I've had that dream

:

00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,290

a

:

00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:16,450

thousand times if I've had it once.

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00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:18,340

-:

I've had the packing dream.

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00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:21,130

I have it with cat, with

the cats in my dream.

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00:44:21,130 --> 00:44:25,463

I'm trying to, leave and I've

gotta take the cats with me.

:

00:44:25,493 --> 00:44:30,443

But usually something happens where like

they'll, the cats start to multiply.

:

00:44:30,688 --> 00:44:34,078

or the, you know, I'll be like looking

for Felix, and Felix is a black cat, and

:

00:44:34,078 --> 00:44:37,348

then suddenly there's 20 black cats there,

and I'm like, which one of you is Felix?

:

00:44:37,754 --> 00:44:39,944

I'm like, what is, what's,

what am I working on here?

:

00:44:39,944 --> 00:44:42,464

What's my unconscious

working through here?

:

00:44:42,464 --> 00:44:43,964

That has to do with packing.

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00:44:44,192 --> 00:44:46,407

-:

know I would, and I usually can't

:

00:44:46,407 --> 00:44:48,027

find my shoes in those dreams.

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00:44:48,312 --> 00:44:48,702

-:

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00:44:48,807 --> 00:44:49,827

-:

looking for my shoes.

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00:44:49,827 --> 00:44:50,127

-:

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00:44:50,127 --> 00:44:52,832

I'm usually working on some

sort of go bag type thing.

:

00:44:53,017 --> 00:44:54,787

Like I, I need certain supplies.

:

00:44:54,787 --> 00:44:56,557

Like there's a list I'm working with.

:

00:44:56,766 --> 00:45:01,536

Or I also have this recurring

dream of when we got David's

:

00:45:01,536 --> 00:45:06,290

stuff back from Iraq and trying to

sort through all of his clothes.

:

00:45:06,428 --> 00:45:10,538

for some reason in the dream I'm just

like really, really struggling and

:

00:45:10,538 --> 00:45:14,228

upset with trying to put together

this closet, like sort through this

:

00:45:14,228 --> 00:45:17,018

closet and be like, which of this

is mine and which of this is his?

:

00:45:17,267 --> 00:45:18,887

That doesn't even sound like a nightmare.

:

00:45:18,887 --> 00:45:20,387

But it definitely feels like one

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00:45:20,387 --> 00:45:21,077

-:

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00:45:21,212 --> 00:45:21,872

-:

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00:45:28,578 --> 00:45:33,168

Well, I think that on Halloween

we should just go live on YouTube.

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00:45:33,168 --> 00:45:37,315

And listeners, if you want to join

us, for a a tele party, a watch

:

00:45:37,315 --> 00:45:40,615

party thing, you know, like this,

it used to be called Netflix Party,

:

00:45:40,615 --> 00:45:42,025

but now it's just tele party.

:

00:45:42,370 --> 00:45:47,080

it's free and we can use it to watch, um,

curse of the Queer Wolf together, and then

:

00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:54,010

me and Beck can go live on YouTube and

just do a little bit of a pre-show, and

:

00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:55,720

then we can all watch the movie together.

:

00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,045

-:

That sounds great to me.

:

00:45:57,045 --> 00:46:00,762

-:

making a mad lib for us making like some

:

00:46:00,762 --> 00:46:03,102

redneck versions of some Halloween tropes.

:

00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:07,109

we could play some Halloween games

and then if you're with us on, on

:

00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:09,239

the Live, then you can play too.

:

00:46:09,299 --> 00:46:10,259

You can play it in the chat.

:

00:46:10,799 --> 00:46:13,856

And then we can just watch the movie

together so if you want to join us for

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00:46:13,856 --> 00:46:17,936

that on Halloween, right now I've got

it scheduled for 8:00 PM Eastern Time.

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00:46:18,218 --> 00:46:21,008

If you don't have anything to

do for Halloween and this, you,

:

00:46:21,008 --> 00:46:22,178

this is gonna be your events.

:

00:46:22,178 --> 00:46:25,358

You don't want to go out and hang out

with people who drink or you just want a

:

00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:28,358

quiet night, or if this is your pre-game

and you just wanna hang out with us

:

00:46:28,358 --> 00:46:32,529

while we are nerdy, feel free to join

us and you can get that information.

:

00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:34,209

Um, we're gonna put it in the newsletter.

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00:46:34,569 --> 00:46:37,569

I'm gonna start circulating it on

social media, put up some trailers

:

00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:40,782

and stuff of Queer Wolf Oh, God,

we're just sitting here talking.

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00:46:41,112 --> 00:46:44,202

Maybe let's listen in

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Let us do the cooking.

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00:48:22,616 --> 00:48:26,096

note, if you put that sucker in

the dishwasher, and neither heaven

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00:48:26,096 --> 00:48:29,416

nor hell nor we can help you just

make your peace and go live in

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00:48:29,416 --> 00:48:30,796

a hut by yourself in the woods.

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00:48:32,707 --> 00:48:33,992

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funny that you should say that.

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00:48:33,992 --> 00:48:36,722

I got randomly, um, a

settlement from Facebook.

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00:48:36,722 --> 00:48:38,342

I got a payment via PayPal

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00:48:38,342 --> 00:48:39,002

-:

I got one of those,

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00:48:39,782 --> 00:48:40,712

-:

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00:48:40,712 --> 00:48:41,822

How much was yours?

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00:48:41,822 --> 00:48:43,802

-:

about, I think it was about that.

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00:48:44,155 --> 00:48:47,875

I don't know because it wasn't

exactly that same amount of money

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00:48:47,875 --> 00:48:49,705

and it, mine was a long time ago.

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00:48:49,705 --> 00:48:51,025

-:

I just got it this week.

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00:48:51,025 --> 00:48:51,625

-:

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00:48:51,805 --> 00:48:54,745

So they must be doing it in stages.

:

00:48:54,924 --> 00:48:57,684

There's an at and t one

as well data breach.

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00:48:57,899 --> 00:49:00,479

They just stay fucking

around with our stuff

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00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:01,349

-:

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00:49:01,349 --> 00:49:02,369

-:

and we have no choice.

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00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:04,190

-:

you like to hear of the noun of

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00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:05,750

Appalachian interest for the week?

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00:49:06,095 --> 00:49:06,315

-:

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00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:09,380

I would love to hear of the

noun of Appalachian interest.

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00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:10,430

-:

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00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:15,140

Today's noun isn't a pepperoni roll,

a geo metro or a pair of house shoes.

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00:49:15,350 --> 00:49:19,130

It's a person, a voice, a mind,

a revolutionary heart that came

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00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:22,970

straight out of the hollers of

Kentucky, the incomparable bell hooks.

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00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,080

-:

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00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:25,790

Yay.

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00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:26,930

The crowd goes wild.

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00:49:28,115 --> 00:49:30,575

-:

Bell Hooks, we love and appreciate

:

00:49:30,575 --> 00:49:33,875

you not just because you were from

Hopkinsville, Kentucky, not just

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00:49:33,875 --> 00:49:37,055

because you carried the mountains and

valleys of Appalachia in your cadence,

:

00:49:37,415 --> 00:49:40,475

but because you taught us how to love

the world differently, you taught us

:

00:49:40,475 --> 00:49:42,065

that love isn't soft and saccharine.

:

00:49:42,065 --> 00:49:43,145

It's a radical act.

:

00:49:43,415 --> 00:49:47,255

You taught us that to resist oppression is

to love ourselves enough to demand better.

:

00:49:47,725 --> 00:49:49,355

Born Gloria Jean Watkins.

:

00:49:49,355 --> 00:49:52,565

You chose the name Bell Hooks to

honor your grandmother and to keep the

:

00:49:52,565 --> 00:49:55,745

focus on the substance of your words

rather than on your own identity.

:

00:49:56,045 --> 00:49:58,955

You were the daughter of working

class, Appalachian family, and you

:

00:49:58,955 --> 00:50:00,455

never forgot where you came from.

:

00:50:00,695 --> 00:50:03,575

You pulled the coal dust and the

bluegrass right into your theory.

:

00:50:03,845 --> 00:50:07,535

You showed us that Appalachia isn't

just banjos and front porches, it's

:

00:50:07,535 --> 00:50:09,785

also black women writing fierce truths.

:

00:50:09,995 --> 00:50:12,275

It's girls with notebooks

who refuse silence.

:

00:50:12,425 --> 00:50:16,115

It's a place where love can be a hammer

and a quilt all at the same time.

:

00:50:16,424 --> 00:50:18,914

You gave us the language of

intersectionality before it had

:

00:50:18,914 --> 00:50:20,744

a name and you gave us a voice.

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00:50:20,744 --> 00:50:22,634

As familiar as your aunt's front porch.

:

00:50:22,904 --> 00:50:25,634

You showed us that feminism

must be for everybody.

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00:50:25,934 --> 00:50:28,874

You made the academy listen to the

cadence of your Kentucky voice,

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00:50:29,024 --> 00:50:32,144

lowercase letters and all, and you

made sure that those words were

:

00:50:32,144 --> 00:50:34,694

not just read, but felt bell hooks.

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00:50:34,694 --> 00:50:38,174

Your words are in every cold town

where a girl picks up a pen, they're

:

00:50:38,174 --> 00:50:41,234

in every small classroom where someone

daress to say, what about race?

:

00:50:41,579 --> 00:50:42,509

What about gender?

:

00:50:42,539 --> 00:50:43,409

What about love?

:

00:50:43,799 --> 00:50:46,889

You left us a library of courage

and tenderness, and we are forever

:

00:50:46,889 --> 00:50:49,919

trying to read it out loud with

the same clarity you gave us.

:

00:50:50,129 --> 00:50:52,949

So today we tip our

hats and our mason jars.

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00:50:52,949 --> 00:50:53,279

To you.

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00:50:53,279 --> 00:50:56,279

Bell hooks the noun of Appalachian

interests, who taught us that

:

00:50:56,279 --> 00:51:00,149

Appalachia is not only a place,

but a way of imagining freedom.

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00:51:00,419 --> 00:51:02,099

Love, always beck and Dash.

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00:51:03,524 --> 00:51:04,574

-:

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00:51:04,814 --> 00:51:05,474

Yes.

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00:51:05,474 --> 00:51:06,944

-:

the queer next love letter.

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00:51:07,424 --> 00:51:10,904

-:

our hearts, bell hooks, for a, a brief

:

00:51:10,904 --> 00:51:13,304

amount of time I lived, not far from her.

:

00:51:13,664 --> 00:51:14,954

I always brag about that.

:

00:51:14,954 --> 00:51:17,804

Like that's my brush with

greatness was I was bell hooks

:

00:51:17,804 --> 00:51:19,484

as neighbor for a couple years.

:

00:51:19,544 --> 00:51:20,109

-:

:

00:51:20,954 --> 00:51:21,314

-:

:

00:51:21,314 --> 00:51:25,343

it wasn't long before she passed away, but

it was her birthday recently, wasn't it?

:

00:51:25,763 --> 00:51:26,483

-:

:

00:51:26,548 --> 00:51:29,818

yeah, I think I saw something about

that on like NPR or something.

:

00:51:30,218 --> 00:51:33,398

-:

been on a tear recommending, oh shit.

:

00:51:33,428 --> 00:51:36,878

Is it the will to change the name of

that book she wrote about masculinity?

:

00:51:36,878 --> 00:51:37,843

-:

Oh, I don't know that one.

:

00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:40,439

-:

it's one of her lesser known 'cause

:

00:51:40,439 --> 00:51:44,759

she's, made such a big impact, in

feminist theory, feminist scholarship.

:

00:51:44,759 --> 00:51:44,939

-:

:

00:51:44,939 --> 00:51:45,899

what I know most of,

:

00:51:46,334 --> 00:51:48,764

-:

she also wrote about masculinity

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00:51:48,764 --> 00:51:50,504

and so the Will to Change

:

00:51:50,824 --> 00:51:51,114

-:

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00:51:51,944 --> 00:51:53,654

-:

got a subtitle here, let me see.

:

00:51:54,014 --> 00:51:55,784

Men Masculinity and Love.

:

00:51:56,204 --> 00:52:00,751

it's makes the case that men and

masculinity all forms of it are,

:

00:52:00,751 --> 00:52:06,901

oppressed or strangled or just

impacted in negative ways under.

:

00:52:06,901 --> 00:52:12,417

Patriarchy under, hegemonic masculinity

so first she's, she's laying that all

:

00:52:12,417 --> 00:52:18,237

out for us and does a really great and

accessible analytic of how hegemonic

:

00:52:18,237 --> 00:52:23,137

masculinity in particular, and that

that component of patriarchy impacts men.

:

00:52:23,501 --> 00:52:29,801

And then she goes through this incredible

systematic deconstruction framework

:

00:52:29,956 --> 00:52:31,276

cause it's called the Will to Change.

:

00:52:31,276 --> 00:52:34,516

And so like she's literally talking about

men, it doesn't have to be like this.

:

00:52:34,845 --> 00:52:37,395

I think it's cool that she's

applying like a feminist framework

:

00:52:37,395 --> 00:52:39,195

to, a study of masculinity.

:

00:52:39,375 --> 00:52:41,835

'cause so much of masculinity

studies is, is men.

:

00:52:41,835 --> 00:52:42,855

And that's not weird,

:

00:52:42,928 --> 00:52:43,348

-:

:

00:52:43,348 --> 00:52:45,838

-:

the fact that Bell Hooks said,

:

00:52:45,928 --> 00:52:47,638

all right, baby, let me help.

:

00:52:49,062 --> 00:52:50,322

-:

that's probably something I could

:

00:52:50,322 --> 00:52:53,442

use for my dissertation because

I wanna talk a lot about men,

:

00:52:54,012 --> 00:52:54,402

-:

:

00:52:54,552 --> 00:52:56,322

-:

though I'm using feminist theory,

:

00:52:56,322 --> 00:52:57,522

it's, it's a lot about men.

:

00:52:57,828 --> 00:53:00,468

this week in my class, in my

women's studies class, we watched

:

00:53:00,468 --> 00:53:01,908

the film, the Mask You Live In.

:

00:53:02,208 --> 00:53:02,928

Have you ever heard of that

:

00:53:03,138 --> 00:53:03,768

-:

:

00:53:03,773 --> 00:53:05,478

I've, I've used, I've

taught that one as well.

:

00:53:06,048 --> 00:53:07,428

-:

Yeah, so we watched that today.

:

00:53:07,428 --> 00:53:08,538

They really enjoyed it.

:

00:53:08,673 --> 00:53:09,093

-:

:

00:53:09,228 --> 00:53:10,998

-:

to take the approach that feminism

:

00:53:10,998 --> 00:53:14,658

really is for everybody, and I try

to not leave men and boys out of

:

00:53:14,658 --> 00:53:16,248

the conversation or the classroom.

:

00:53:16,248 --> 00:53:16,578

Right.

:

00:53:16,818 --> 00:53:18,738

Because I don't want, 'cause I

have guys in my classroom and I

:

00:53:18,738 --> 00:53:21,498

don't want them to feel like we're

just man hating lesbians in there,

:

00:53:21,898 --> 00:53:22,118

-:

:

00:53:22,875 --> 00:53:28,845

even if you didn't want to consider the

lived experiences of, men or masculinity

:

00:53:28,845 --> 00:53:33,552

for whatever reason, you still have to

understand that if we're going to say

:

00:53:33,582 --> 00:53:37,032

hurt people, hurt people in one breath,

and then not talk about how they've been

:

00:53:37,032 --> 00:53:41,562

hurt and how that leads them to contribute

to systems of violence, perpetuation

:

00:53:41,562 --> 00:53:43,662

of systems of violence, just sit down.

:

00:53:43,925 --> 00:53:45,335

you're not interested in doing work

:

00:53:45,335 --> 00:53:47,285

-:

right, you're exactly right.

:

00:53:47,285 --> 00:53:48,515

-:

think you're gonna love that book.

:

00:53:48,712 --> 00:53:49,792

-:

I just ordered it, so

:

00:53:51,067 --> 00:53:52,657

-:

I love it in real time.

:

00:53:53,212 --> 00:53:53,662

-:

:

00:53:53,662 --> 00:53:58,545

I know it's, it's an evil corporation,

but I will always love Amazon.

:

00:53:58,545 --> 00:54:00,405

I worked for them for several years and

:

00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:02,460

fast they get shit to you.

:

00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:03,330

They have everything.

:

00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:04,830

-:

:

00:54:04,830 --> 00:54:06,300

You get stuff next day.

:

00:54:06,510 --> 00:54:07,140

-:

:

00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:09,044

-:

that scene from, Oh Brother Where

:

00:54:09,044 --> 00:54:11,541

Art Thou , it's like this place

is just a geographical oddity.

:

00:54:11,541 --> 00:54:12,651

It's two weeks from everywhere.

:

00:54:13,941 --> 00:54:16,791

No matter what I order, it

takes two weeks to get here.

:

00:54:16,791 --> 00:54:17,361

-:

:

00:54:17,541 --> 00:54:19,761

-:

just didn't make it to the prairie.

:

00:54:24,761 --> 00:54:26,771

-:

can order things like at eight

:

00:54:26,771 --> 00:54:29,111

o'clock at night and it will have

the option to have it delivered

:

00:54:29,111 --> 00:54:30,971

between 10 and three the next day

:

00:54:30,971 --> 00:54:33,011

-:

living that life when I lived there.

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00:54:33,011 --> 00:54:33,041

Aww.

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00:54:33,388 --> 00:54:33,688

-:

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00:54:33,688 --> 00:54:34,378

A trombone?

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00:54:34,708 --> 00:54:34,978

-:

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00:54:38,728 --> 00:54:39,628

Right outside.

:

00:54:40,828 --> 00:54:41,198

-:

:

00:54:46,757 --> 00:54:48,407

-:

think it's still out there.

:

00:54:50,642 --> 00:54:52,262

-:

one wandering trombonist.

:

00:54:52,533 --> 00:54:55,593

Have you ever seen the trombonists

that follow around protestors?

:

00:54:55,757 --> 00:54:58,007

-:

think I have seen the trombone version.

:

00:54:58,007 --> 00:55:01,578

I saw the, oh, over the weekend,

I think it was this past weekend,

:

00:55:01,578 --> 00:55:03,648

Pikeville, Kentucky had their pride.

:

00:55:03,708 --> 00:55:05,748

Theirs is always in, at

the end of September.

:

00:55:06,014 --> 00:55:10,516

And, you know, Villes, deep Eastern

Kentucky, deep cold country.

:

00:55:10,516 --> 00:55:10,629

-:

:

00:55:10,909 --> 00:55:12,174

I had a girlfriend from there.

:

00:55:12,369 --> 00:55:14,699

-:

pride started before rural Minnesota.

:

00:55:14,699 --> 00:55:16,499

Did so like they've

been doing it for years.

:

00:55:16,717 --> 00:55:20,557

PAC Field is actually, a big driving

force in a lot of the coalitional um,

:

00:55:20,557 --> 00:55:24,997

restorative justices initiatives, harm

reduction initiatives Mutual aid, things

:

00:55:24,997 --> 00:55:27,427

like that, like Pike Field's, just,

they've had it with the rest of the world.

:

00:55:27,427 --> 00:55:28,837

They said, fuck it, we're

gonna do it ourselves.

:

00:55:29,237 --> 00:55:31,757

So they had their pride

over their weekend, but of

:

00:55:31,757 --> 00:55:32,717

course they were protesters.

:

00:55:32,747 --> 00:55:33,947

'cause they always are.

:

00:55:33,947 --> 00:55:37,067

But if you look on social media, you can

look up, I think it's just Pike Field

:

00:55:37,067 --> 00:55:39,527

pride on, Facebook and on Instagram.

:

00:55:39,938 --> 00:55:43,448

They had a couple of bagpipe

players show up that just

:

00:55:43,448 --> 00:55:46,178

followed around the protestors.

:

00:55:46,178 --> 00:55:46,358

Like,

:

00:55:50,108 --> 00:55:54,098

and it's just joyful, you know, and

their, their outfits are incredible.

:

00:55:54,098 --> 00:55:55,148

They're good musicians.

:

00:55:55,148 --> 00:55:57,308

I mean, whatever bagpipe is

supposed to sound like, that's

:

00:55:57,308 --> 00:55:58,298

what it sounded like to me.

:

00:55:58,838 --> 00:56:00,698

they're like, no, this

is our job for the day.

:

00:56:00,698 --> 00:56:02,558

Like, we've given ourselves this job.

:

00:56:02,558 --> 00:56:05,318

We are set up to be here all day.

:

00:56:05,318 --> 00:56:06,478

We have everything that we need.

:

00:56:06,478 --> 00:56:07,588

Do you have everything you need?

:

00:56:07,588 --> 00:56:12,178

Or did you just not bank on us

being here and being as fucking

:

00:56:12,178 --> 00:56:13,498

tired of your bullshit as we are?

:

00:56:13,737 --> 00:56:15,922

' cause every goddamn year,

like what do these people do?

:

00:56:15,927 --> 00:56:19,767

Do they do they count down a

calendar somewhere like 65 days.

:

00:56:20,907 --> 00:56:22,797

-:

at more gay events than I am is

:

00:56:22,797 --> 00:56:24,147

all I'm gonna say about that.

:

00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,370

-:

my God, . Can you hear it still?

:

00:56:27,605 --> 00:56:27,895

-:

:

00:56:35,864 --> 00:56:37,934

-:

disembodied is the weirdest.

:

00:56:40,049 --> 00:56:41,624

It's not a person out there.

:

00:56:43,513 --> 00:56:43,903

I hope it's

:

00:56:48,691 --> 00:56:49,821

It's just one note.

:

00:56:52,141 --> 00:56:53,406

-:

It's the only one he knows.

:

00:56:55,356 --> 00:56:57,636

-:

his very first day playing trombone.

:

00:57:01,986 --> 00:57:03,546

I got this E-flat down.

:

00:57:06,097 --> 00:57:08,077

I'm gonna try start trying

to ignore him, I guess.

:

00:57:08,107 --> 00:57:10,027

'cause I don't think he's

gonna stop anytime soon.

:

00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:23,240

Okay, so right in Virginia

there's a, I think a gubernatorial

:

00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,620

race happening or something.

:

00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:25,790

Is it primary time?

:

00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:26,420

Something like that.

:

00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,970

-:

close to November, so probably.

:

00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:30,110

-:

:

00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:34,854

Uh, so there's a, a race happening now

Sternberger It sounds kind of like,

:

00:57:34,854 --> 00:57:37,914

uh, like if Shrek farted, you know,

:

00:57:43,204 --> 00:57:47,189

never ever, this episode's

gonna be a nightmare to edit.

:

00:57:51,011 --> 00:57:52,356

-:

just give him five minutes of

:

00:57:52,356 --> 00:57:53,916

his laugh and they'll enjoy it.

:

00:57:54,366 --> 00:57:56,001

-:

Yeah, that's true.

:

00:57:56,543 --> 00:58:02,183

Um, span Berger is her name, the

Democratic, candidate has a 10

:

00:58:02,183 --> 00:58:06,367

point lead as of, uh, yesterday,

over an opponent that is pretty

:

00:58:06,367 --> 00:58:09,277

much only running on transphobia.

:

00:58:10,417 --> 00:58:10,897

-:

:

00:58:12,334 --> 00:58:15,724

-:

you know, like work bitch, opponent,

:

00:58:16,114 --> 00:58:21,904

Earl Sears has multimillion dollar

campaign just talking about the

:

00:58:21,904 --> 00:58:23,974

transce, this, that, or whatever.

:

00:58:23,974 --> 00:58:27,807

And, the polls are saying like,

and it, who knows if it's gonna

:

00:58:27,807 --> 00:58:30,027

continue, things can happen, whatever.

:

00:58:30,165 --> 00:58:34,993

But at this point in the, in a race,

that's really solid data to have.

:

00:58:34,993 --> 00:58:38,833

And so it is at least good news that

a person can't win a, in Virginia

:

00:58:38,833 --> 00:58:43,845

anyway, cannot win this particular

race by only trying to punish

:

00:58:43,845 --> 00:58:46,155

people with minority, identities.

:

00:58:46,552 --> 00:58:47,902

Well, we can say trans people.

:

00:58:48,022 --> 00:58:50,872

if he had a platform of overt

racism, maybe that would play better.

:

00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:51,442

We don't know,

:

00:58:51,704 --> 00:58:54,164

-:

people are starting to, I, I would agree

:

00:58:54,269 --> 00:58:54,389

-:

:

00:58:54,464 --> 00:58:56,984

-:

starting to, to not give a shit about it.

:

00:58:57,044 --> 00:58:58,064

which would be ideal.

:

00:58:58,274 --> 00:59:01,364

I mean, just where if we were just

not care, you know what I mean?

:

00:59:01,364 --> 00:59:04,154

Not care if what had people had

in their pants that would be ideal

:

00:59:04,154 --> 00:59:06,524

-:

the cool thing about this polling

:

00:59:06,524 --> 00:59:12,102

data is that is the only variable

that was rated as unimportant.

:

00:59:12,304 --> 00:59:15,034

All of the other issues, It asked

like, how important is this?

:

00:59:15,034 --> 00:59:15,634

Or whatever.

:

00:59:15,994 --> 00:59:19,414

That's the only one that across

the board was rated unimportant,

:

00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,674

-:

Well, that's hopeful.

:

00:59:20,674 --> 00:59:21,274

-:

:

00:59:21,274 --> 00:59:22,114

-:

:

00:59:22,114 --> 00:59:23,254

-:

It's so funny too, this graph.

:

00:59:23,254 --> 00:59:26,824

It says, economy, education, healthcare,

threats to democracy, housing,

:

00:59:26,824 --> 00:59:29,134

affordability, transgender issues.

:

00:59:29,134 --> 00:59:31,114

-:

on the same scale or something.

:

00:59:31,564 --> 00:59:34,714

-:

said not at all important.

:

00:59:34,714 --> 00:59:36,844

19% said not too important.

:

00:59:36,844 --> 00:59:39,094

And then 23% said somewhat important.

:

00:59:39,292 --> 00:59:44,572

When everything else was above 64%,

very important, economy, education,

:

00:59:44,572 --> 00:59:47,335

healthcare threats to democracy

and housing affordability, are

:

00:59:47,335 --> 00:59:51,085

between 64 and 80% very important.

:

00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:52,750

And then the rest somewhat important.

:

00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:53,699

It's wild.

:

00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:55,799

So that's good news, I guess.

:

00:59:56,399 --> 01:00:00,779

Isn't it Just fucking bleak that I'm

like, Hey, uh, some people said that

:

01:00:00,779 --> 01:00:04,199

they don't really want me murdered,

and that is just incredible news today.

:

01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:05,430

-:

:

01:00:05,901 --> 01:00:07,791

-:

I mean, yeah, I do too.

:

01:00:08,481 --> 01:00:13,131

But there's something about me that

also wants to be like, fuck this.

:

01:00:13,131 --> 01:00:14,811

We can pull this around.

:

01:00:15,111 --> 01:00:17,181

This is, this is a broke.

:

01:00:17,454 --> 01:00:20,034

Hoopty of a country

right now, but it's mine.

:

01:00:20,064 --> 01:00:20,514

Dammit.

:

01:00:20,544 --> 01:00:22,134

It's my hoopty ass country.

:

01:00:22,134 --> 01:00:23,064

And I want it back.

:

01:00:23,064 --> 01:00:25,974

I want it, to be a place where

people, where we can actually

:

01:00:25,974 --> 01:00:27,504

start to imagine futures again.

:

01:00:27,907 --> 01:00:31,357

we do this exercise sometimes in my

grippy sock school where we're like,

:

01:00:31,357 --> 01:00:32,407

where would you wanna live for a year?

:

01:00:32,407 --> 01:00:34,327

And I'm like, I wouldn't

wanna live nowhere else.

:

01:00:34,601 --> 01:00:38,201

I am, I'm tired of running to try

to find a place that's gonna love

:

01:00:38,201 --> 01:00:39,461

me more than the last one did.

:

01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:42,041

I just, I don't think that's

how this works, but I don't

:

01:00:42,041 --> 01:00:42,971

think it's a waiting game.

:

01:00:42,971 --> 01:00:45,491

I don't think we just simply wait

until they tire themselves out.

:

01:00:45,491 --> 01:00:47,381

I think we have to kick some skulls.

:

01:00:49,484 --> 01:00:50,044

-:

I am down for that.

:

01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:51,869

-:

gonna be doing, shit like they're

:

01:00:51,869 --> 01:00:54,359

doing in Chicago, with that ice raid,

:

01:00:54,794 --> 01:00:55,604

-:

:

01:00:55,691 --> 01:00:56,141

kids.

:

01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:57,639

-:

Zip tied together.

:

01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:58,149

-:

:

01:00:58,149 --> 01:00:59,139

-:

I don't know what to do.

:

01:00:59,139 --> 01:01:00,489

you know, people are asking what to do.

:

01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:01,389

I don't know what to do.

:

01:01:01,668 --> 01:01:05,538

I know what I want to do, which is

empty the holler out, ever toothless,

:

01:01:05,538 --> 01:01:09,768

person with nothing to lose out of

the holler into wherever these fuckers

:

01:01:09,773 --> 01:01:11,358

go next and just turn 'em loose.

:

01:01:11,832 --> 01:01:14,532

Because that's how you

overcome the empathy gap.

:

01:01:15,192 --> 01:01:18,972

You put somebody's face right in the

middle of it and say, look at this shit.

:

01:01:19,142 --> 01:01:21,902

-:

is empathy is now feminine and men

:

01:01:21,902 --> 01:01:23,642

reject anything that is feminine.

:

01:01:23,642 --> 01:01:24,422

You know what I mean?

:

01:01:24,422 --> 01:01:25,202

-:

:

01:01:25,202 --> 01:01:25,592

Yeah.

:

01:01:25,832 --> 01:01:26,312

-:

:

01:01:26,635 --> 01:01:28,885

-:

that like manosphere, that's

:

01:01:28,885 --> 01:01:30,655

a lot of sound and fury.

:

01:01:30,715 --> 01:01:32,515

You they, they really talk.

:

01:01:32,515 --> 01:01:33,325

Big.

:

01:01:33,415 --> 01:01:37,765

And they, and it's, and it sounds

like a bigger problem than it is,

:

01:01:37,765 --> 01:01:43,539

but it really does not , stand up

too much scrutiny anywhere except

:

01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,009

in their little echo chamber.

:

01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:47,070

and they're even forgetting

about Charlie Kirk now.

:

01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:48,240

Isn't that weird?

:

01:01:48,555 --> 01:01:49,155

-:

:

01:01:49,290 --> 01:01:50,190

-:

trending anymore.

:

01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:51,510

-:

Well, that didn't take long.

:

01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:51,870

-:

:

01:01:51,870 --> 01:01:54,360

And they're gonna drop his

wife like a hot pocket.

:

01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,080

-:

:

01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,960

Did you see the spoof that went around

that she was starting a dating app?

:

01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,150

it was, it was a stupid lie,

but it was pretty funny.

:

01:02:01,095 --> 01:02:01,905

-:

:

01:02:01,905 --> 01:02:03,105

What kind of dating amp

:

01:02:03,105 --> 01:02:05,060

-:

Uh, a conservative Christian,

:

01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:05,840

-:

ain't there already?

:

01:02:05,845 --> 01:02:06,590

Plenty of them.

:

01:02:06,590 --> 01:02:07,760

-:

probably, I don't know.

:

01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,560

I've never been on a

dating app in my life.

:

01:02:11,090 --> 01:02:11,630

I don't know anything about 'em.

:

01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:13,180

-:

Christian Mingle there.

:

01:02:13,185 --> 01:02:14,855

There was one for farmers.

:

01:02:15,025 --> 01:02:16,750

-:

Farmers only.com,

:

01:02:16,805 --> 01:02:17,095

-:

:

01:02:18,550 --> 01:02:20,230

I believe that was the

two thousands thing.

:

01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:23,170

There was websites, niche

websites for everybody.

:

01:02:28,267 --> 01:02:29,287

-:

I take that back.

:

01:02:29,287 --> 01:02:34,327

I was on, before I met Shanna, I was

on a website called Hershey Kisses.

:

01:02:34,687 --> 01:02:35,167

Like her, she.

:

01:02:35,881 --> 01:02:38,431

Like as in lesbians 'cause punny, right.

:

01:02:38,984 --> 01:02:42,044

some crazy person paid the $50

or whatever to get my number.

:

01:02:42,344 --> 01:02:44,744

'cause she saw I was in a local

commercial for the photography

:

01:02:44,744 --> 01:02:46,844

studio and I used a similar picture.

:

01:02:46,844 --> 01:02:47,834

So she knew it was me.

:

01:02:47,834 --> 01:02:49,544

And so she was crazy.

:

01:02:49,784 --> 01:02:53,474

That girl, um, her, she only went out

with me I think, because my name was Becky

:

01:02:53,474 --> 01:02:55,124

and her ex-girlfriend's name was Becky.

:

01:02:55,124 --> 01:02:56,864

And she wanted to say she had a new Becky.

:

01:02:57,194 --> 01:02:58,004

It was weird.

:

01:02:58,094 --> 01:02:59,534

I bounced outta that real

:

01:02:59,834 --> 01:03:00,554

-:

:

01:03:00,554 --> 01:03:01,724

-:

People are weird.

:

01:03:01,724 --> 01:03:03,224

-:

have you ever done like the

:

01:03:03,224 --> 01:03:06,163

chat roulette or Omega thing?

:

01:03:06,359 --> 01:03:08,249

-:

but no, I've never done it before.

:

01:03:09,674 --> 01:03:11,204

-:

wonder if those are still around.

:

01:03:11,669 --> 01:03:12,569

-:

:

01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:14,219

-:

thought the other day, like, it would

:

01:03:14,219 --> 01:03:17,309

be interesting to do that, but I, I

don't think I'll ever have the guts,

:

01:03:17,369 --> 01:03:20,279

although I don't know somebody does it.

:

01:03:20,339 --> 01:03:21,809

They can't all be creeps.

:

01:03:21,809 --> 01:03:23,099

-:

can't all be masturbating.

:

01:03:23,099 --> 01:03:23,219

I.

:

01:03:23,219 --> 01:03:24,929

-:

and on that note, maybe we

:

01:03:24,929 --> 01:03:26,639

should close this puppy out.

:

01:03:30,154 --> 01:03:34,559

Uh, well, thanks for sticking

around for, um, possibly one of

:

01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:35,999

the weirder episodes of Queer Next.

:

01:03:35,999 --> 01:03:37,603

Who knows who, be kidding.

:

01:03:37,603 --> 01:03:38,443

They're all pretty weird.

:

01:03:38,666 --> 01:03:40,196

-:

Yeah, but they're fun.

:

01:03:40,196 --> 01:03:40,886

Dammit.

:

01:03:40,886 --> 01:03:41,486

-:

:

01:03:41,526 --> 01:03:46,716

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