Episode 53

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1st Jun 2026

The Queernut Merkins

SEASON TWO OF QUEERNECKS HAPPY PRIDE MONTH

Hosts Beck and Dash celebrate Pride Month, joke about “straight pride” backlash and a Tennessee “nuclear family month,” and talk about rising costs, engineered poverty, and how work and isolation affect relationships and having kids. They discuss small-town pride and share personal updates about reconnecting with friends. The main segment reviews the film Foxy Merkins, a dry, plot-light queer comedy about New York lesbian sex workers Margaret and Jo, focusing on its absurd vignettes, kink and class themes, Margaret’s butch gender presentation and objectification, and references to Midnight Cowboy and My Own Private Idaho. They critique inconsistent mockumentary framing, unresolved subplots, a misleading title/merkin thread, and an open-ended ending. The episode includes a mock sponsor ad for Small Town Pride Festival, an Appalachian “noun” explaining leather britches (dried green beans), and a brief note about a Diddy documentary.

00:00 Podcast Cold Open

00:09 Student Email Chaos

02:10 Pride Month Backlash

02:33 Nuclear Family Politics

05:23 Birthrates And Economy

07:53 OnlyFans Joke Pivot

08:55 Foxy Merkins Setup

11:33 Meet Margaret And Jo

17:25 Bathroom Office Absurdity

19:46 Mockumentary Structure Gripes

22:11 Class And Cultural Capital

25:29 Film Homages Explained

27:39 Cops Kink Hotel Scenes

32:02 Maid Twist And Fallout

33:05 Fake Shooting Twist

33:34 Jo’s Motives Exposed

33:57 Midnight Cowboy Parallel

34:55 Gay for Pay Dynamics

35:52 Popcorn Creeper Kink

37:56 Conference Motorboaters

39:51 Hanky Code Bits

41:49 Women Don’t Love Women

44:06 Brother and Mom Subplots

45:25 Class Tourism and Money

46:45 Home Birth Debate

50:00 Sunset Ending Complaints

54:02 Merkin Title Mystery

55:23 Butch Visibility and Sex Work

56:42 Sex Tape Blackmail Plot

58:42 Sponsor Small Town Pride

01:00:36 Pride Memories and Leagues

01:02:59 Leather Britches Explained

01:05:07 Chow Chow and Top Chef

01:06:28 Season Two Sign-Off

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Transcript
Beck:

Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the

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Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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Dash: and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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Beck: Um, I was checking email today,

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and they said, uh, "Hello,

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sweet professor."

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And it was like,

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" What?"

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That's j- I've, I've

gotten some weird emails.

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That one just took me

off, off guard a little

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Dash: I had never gotten one that weird.

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I don't think I've ever actually gotten

the, the super, like, salutation.

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Most of the time they, there

was no salutation, right?

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They, they email you like

they're texting a friend.

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So I guess that's a win

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Beck: Yeah.

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My favorite is when you get an email

with no subject, no name no information

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about what class you have them in, and

a generic question that could be any

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of the classes that you're teaching.

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You know?

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Like, "When is the final?"

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Like, that's something you could look

up on your own, number one, and number

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two, it's literally in the syllabus.

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Like

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Dash: I got some emails that,

I don't know what happened.

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For a while there when I was

teaching first time at EKU about

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the UI for our email system,

which w- I'm sure was Outlook, uh,

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but way back in the day, right?

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Like early, early Outlook.

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something was going on where

they would type the whole message

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in the subject line because you

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Beck: Because if you could type,

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Dash: apparently a

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Beck: a lot of characters

allowed in the subject line,

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but you couldn't read the book.

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Right.

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Dash: you know?

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So, and I was like, it happened

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Beck: It happened multiple times.

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Finally in class, I was like,

"Can I show y'all something?"

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Like, I took this thing in context

from a different, but I was like,

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Dash: "I'm getting

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Beck: "I'm getting this,

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Dash: does

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Beck: this does not-- it's not a

communication that I can decode.

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I can't-"

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Dash: even if I wanted to."

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Beck: I wanted

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Dash: But mostly it was them texting like,

" Hey, are we having class tomorrow?"

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I

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Beck: Yeah, exactly.

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I have been known to cancel class

10 minutes before it started

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when something dire happens.

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But, you know, i- otherwise I'm gonna let

you know well before it's time for class

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that, that we're not having class today

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Dash: There are ve- very, very

few circumstances in which you're

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gonna be the first person I tell

something to, but this is it.

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This is the one

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Beck: God love 'em.

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Dash: Happy Pride Month

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Beck: I'm excited.

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I'm excited for the tsunami of,

"Where is straight pride month?"

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And, uh, "What about the veterans?"

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I'm excited to, to see all that

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Dash: Veterans who have, uh, two days

that I can think of and a whole month?

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Like, there is

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: Month.

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Beck: They, they get May and November.

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Both of those are Veterans months

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Dash: Yeah.

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There was a town, I think it

was in Kentucky might have

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been Bowling Green, where they

declared June nuclear family month.

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Let me look that up real quick 'cause I,

I feel like that was a, a homegrown…

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Oh, it was Tennessee

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Beck: That still tracks.

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Dash: It does, don't it?

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: In, in

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I'm, I'm happier about that.

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Beck: I'm going to Tennessee in August

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Dash: It, what,

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Beck: The, the Kn-

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Dash: good.

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Look forward

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Beck: the Knoxville area.

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Uh, my, my friends from college

from 150 years ago we were

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all friends in the dorms.

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We are getting together

for the first time.

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They all came to my

mom's when my mom died.

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They gathered there for me.

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But that's the last time we saw everyone.

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And the time that we saw everybody

before that was also at a funeral.

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So it's time to get, have a

gathering that isn't a funeral

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Dash: Right.

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That

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Beck: So,

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Dash: get a little off the older you

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Beck: y- yeah, it really does.

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One of my, one of my

girlfriends, her her wife died.

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It was during the pandemic, and

we all went to Chicago for that.

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And then my mom died, and everybody

showed up for me for that.

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Like I've been to Chicago since then, and

I've seen my friend Courtney on my own.

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But it's been since mom died the, the, all

three of us, all four of us were together,

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No, Tina has a pretty … Apparently

my friend Tina lives in Knoxville.

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She has a pretty big apartment.

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She said she has room for everybody.

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So we'll see.

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Dash: Nice.

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It used to

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Beck: Yehaw.

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Dash: But yeah, anyway,

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Beck: Right

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Dash: It just tells you how stupid

these folks are, and performative

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Beck: I have more and more students

that are like, "Well, my two moms

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blah, blah, blah," or, "My lesbian

moms this or that," or, "My two dads."

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I have that pretty often.

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It's, it's not even a rare

occurrence anymore, so

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Dash: Well, and this is more than

anti-queer because it's also,

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there's whiteness, like there is

hegemonic whiteness in this idea

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of, you know, the nuclear family.

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It's often, like that rhetoric is often

targeted at Black Americans because

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of this stereotype that parents aren't

married or something like that, or

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the fathers always leave or something.

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And I'm not aware of any

statistics that show that that

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is disproportionately higher in

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Beck: that comes from the Moynihan Report.

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Do you know the Moynihan Report

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Dash: I

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Beck: Um, There's a sociologist who, he

studied Black families, uh, supposedly,

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and he came out with this paper that

basically said, he basically blamed

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single mothers for the plight of Black

America, saying that there were no

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fathers and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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So that's where a lot

of that fuel came from

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Dash: Okay.

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I just brought that up.

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I'm gonna read it later.

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this isn't, uh, gonna be affirming

of straight people, right?

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it's, it's not about,

it's not straight pride.

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There's something, there's an added

layer of normativity to something

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like nuclear, it's that birth,

that obsession they all have with

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babies, that they, they're freaking

out right now that nobody's having

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Beck: Having babies, the

population is dropping.

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Dash: basically

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Beck: They are

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Dash: longer

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Beck: no longer procreating.

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It's like

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Dash: when I

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Beck: when I think that,

my first instinct is:

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Dash: we

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Beck: Are we okay?

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Like,

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Dash: you know

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Beck: do you know how much

people want to have babies?

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Yeah.

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Dash: their minds for babies.

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If they're not having them

right now, something's wrong.

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Then those people aren't able to take

care of themselves, and they know

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that, and so they're not having babies.

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It also

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Beck: Also, people are concerned

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Dash: that they're not having

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Beck: not having relationships,

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Dash: which is

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Beck: is really interesting to me because,

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Dash: they're,

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Beck: like, they're single

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Dash: they're no

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Beck: They're no longer weird.

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Dash: P-

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Beck: Like, some people

aren't having kids only,

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Dash: staying

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Beck: also staying single We don't have

as many social opportunities anymore.

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Uh, people don't go out and do things.

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We just sit at home and doom scroll

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Dash: all of our time is

spent in survival mode,

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: w- w- working two

jobs in, in this economy.

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Like The, the median income

in the US right now is

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somewhere in the 50s, I think.

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It's 83,000.

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Wait, so that's a dual, that's

a dual income household.

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Beck: Ah.

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That makes more sense

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Dash: individual workers, the median

annual earnings are about 51,000 For

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a family, between like 83 and 100.

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A family.

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So, you know, I'm, I'm about in that,

like, that range for individual worker.

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Beck: worker

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Dash: can barely

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Beck: can barely afford to live

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Dash: because I

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Beck: because I live alone.

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I'm not gonna it's not, it's not like

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Dash: one

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Beck: I really am the one that

wants people in the house doing

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Dash: certain

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Beck: certain things.

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But like the idea is that if we both

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Dash: full

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Beck: work that would come to more

than what you both could do Right.

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Dash: Anyway, not the case anymore

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Beck: Yeah, Shannon and I

both work full-time and we

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barely, you know what I mean?

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We barely cover expensive.

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Like, she got paid today, and we were

down to, like, $200 in our checking

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account, which is way better than

we've ever had it, so that's something.

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But on the other hand, that's all

we have left over We've gotta save.

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We've just got to save.

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I took on an extra class on my

online, on my online teaching, uh,

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for the rest of the summer, uh, in

an effort to save up some money.

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Dash: Poverty is engineered

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Beck: Poverty is expensive

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Dash: I googled how to start

an OnlyFans the other day

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Beck: you, is all I can say.

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Dash: I'm not gonna do it.

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I just had this sudden flight of fancy.

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I was listening to a podcast

probably that mentioned it.

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No, that is not gonna happen.

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Beck: there's a market

I think for both of us.

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Um, a plus size lesbian, like there's

plenty of fetishists out there that

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would be down for some of my underwear.

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And listeners, if that's

you, like let me know.

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Dash: Right?

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Beck: Hit a girl up.

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Dash: we're, we're a solid market,

not even a niche market, you know?

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Like, that's, I don't know who said

it, I wish I could remember, but I

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r- somebody one time s- they were

talking about identity and it was, I

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think it was a comedian or a sketch

or something, and they said, uh, "Are

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you a, a cis straight white man, or

are you one of the porn categories?"

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' if there is just one piece

of you that is a marginalized

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identity, it's somebody's fetish

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so yeah, that, I guess that

segues us into the Foxy Merkins.

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What a time.

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I

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night.

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You watched it several days ago, right?

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Beck: Yes.

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Let me get my notes so that I have

them here 'cause I take notes now.

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Dash: Oh

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Beck: the first thing I, wanna talk about

is how the main character, Margaret,

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looks like me, like in, in a lot of ways

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So I think that gives me some

perspective here, because I pride

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myself in being the kind of woman

that no man wants to fuck, right?

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I pride myself on that.

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Like, the, with my, with my no makeup,

with my, with my fat ass, with my, my

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clothing choices, with my haircut choices.

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I am like the anti-woman, you know?

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Um, and so is she, yet she is still

objectified standing outside of that

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Talbots, you know, ev- by women,

which is the, the ironic part.

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Um, but the fact that she is being

treated as a sex object when she

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is everything but in our culture,

I found that really interesting

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Dash: There are several moments throughout

the film where that is complicated super

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interesting ways, and I took note of them.

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'Cause one of the things about this

movie is it was kind of set out

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to not really be about anything.

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a Seinfeld type of queer dry comedy.

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It's…

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There's not even really

a plot, the story, right?

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It's director, Olnek, and the two

leads, Lisa Haas and Jackie Moynihan,

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I think, they all co-wrote it

together, which is, you can tell.

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Like, oh yeah, this was

written by multiple people.

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It's, you know, all over the

place, and that's fine, right?

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'Cause the goal was,

like, it's essentially

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Beck: a Ko-Fi.

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Dash: a s- it'll be a, a

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Beck: Yeah, a Ko-Fi

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Dash: some sketch of a thing, and then

another montage, and then suddenly

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we're in the next part of the story.

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And o- often they don't even

tell us how we got there.

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Many times I was like, "Wait, what?

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Who, who is this?"

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So they didn't set out

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Beck: They didn't set out to make a good

movie, and they didn't set out to make

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Dash: that spoke to any,

like, deeper issues.

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In fact, the director said

she wanted to avoid that,

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Beck: Avoid that.

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Dash: you can't.

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don't care how

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Beck: I don't care how hard you

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Dash: to be like, "There's no politics,"

and to be fair, she didn't say that.

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Like, that wasn't the way she phrased it.

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Everything you do is political.

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So, like, there are still moments in

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Beck: Still moments in here

where really little stuff is

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Dash: just basket case of a

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Beck: brutality out of

the middle of nowhere

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Dash: randomly, and, uh, Margaret's gender

presentation is one of those things.

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It, it brings up a couple of points.

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So we have, our two lead

characters are Margaret and Jo.

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Margaret is a, she's very short.

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Like, Jo towers over her, and I don't

think Jackie Moynahan is, like, super

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tall, so she's extremely, short.

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She wears, she is, I, like, just the

typical, I think, like, butch lesbian.

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Like, her outfits, very first one

we see her in is a black T-shirt.

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Beck: V Neck.

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Dash: V-neck?

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: I didn't, I didn't notice that.

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She's got her black fucking horn-rim

glasses like you wear, the lesbian

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special, and carpenter pants.

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Did you notice her blue

jeans were carpenter

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Beck: I have owned many

of them, and her jorts.

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She had jorts on in one scene too.

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You have … I've had many

a pair of carpenter pants.

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Dash: Yeah.

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I have, uh, my emotional

support, uh, carpenter pants.

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They're two sizes too big, and

I was literally wearing jorts

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while watching this movie.

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So like, that aesthetic

doesn't go anywhere, you know?

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To me it didn't.

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A lot of, and a lot of trans

guys keep it, actually.

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A lot of trans guys are like,

"I'm not changing my wardrobe.

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I was already dressing

for the job I wanted.

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I just went ahead and

finished the job with the

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Beck: Yehaw Yeah.

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I dress like a trans dude, I guess,

'cause I wear nothing but men's clothing.

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Yeah.

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And it's, and I'm not trying

to be masculine though.

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That's just what fits my

particular body and my aesthetic.

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And there's pockets, 'cause heaven

forbid you give a woman a pocket.

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I, but I stick to the basics.

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I, I do a lot of solid, solid

colors, a lot of V-neck sweaters,

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V-neck T-shirts, that kind of thing.

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Um, Simple pants, a lot of

black pants, a lot of khakis.

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I don't even own a pair of jeans

anymore 'cause I, I'm always … 'cause

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I dress up every day, and then I

come home and put on my play clothes.

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It's like coming home from

school and putting on your, your,

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uh, your after-school clothes.

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So I've got sweatpants and, and

real clothes, and nothing in between

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Dash: Yeah, I, I had that exact

same experience about getting,

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like, a real big-kid job.

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It's like, "What's the rest

of my clothes for then?

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: guess I can just get rid of them."

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So yeah, it's Margaret, and we see her

first just standing outside of a building,

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and she, creates an, uh, an image.

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Like, she signifies something

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Beck: something.

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Dash: And her

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Beck: And her hair too,

like it is a very specific

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Dash: kind of

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Beck: kind of haircut.

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It's not just short.

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Dash: not

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Beck: not stylish,

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Dash: She's got, like,

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Beck: It's got like this,

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Dash: this side

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Beck: side part thing going on.

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Dash: poofy.

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Beck: poofy,

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Dash: clearly

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Beck: clearly doesn't comb it.

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Like, you

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Dash: got the same

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Beck: know there's nothing

hair, but no, you get like

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there a cut, a good cut, and you

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Dash: comb it and

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Beck: comb it stylishly.

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There have been many a day in my life

that when I didn't have money for regular

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haircuts, that I was like, I was wearing

headbands at one point, my hair got so

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long, like just to keep it out of my eyes.

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So I have been there.

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And she clearly didn't have a lot of

money, so like that's where she is.

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Dash: That's

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Cause that T-shirt she's

wearing, it's got a hole in it.

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and shoes are really old and

she's clearly not somebody,

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uh, who has a lot of resources.

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So we live in a, I guess a, I don't think

this universe is real, but we live in

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this, like, fantasy world where there are

lesbian hookers all over New York, and

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upper middle class business women They

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: can, will go up

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Beck: We'll go up and,

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Dash: them

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Beck: and solicit intersection

and things like that.

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One of the craziest things about

this, that these transactions

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Dash: happening

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Beck: are happening in broad daylight.

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They're like on their lunch break.

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Right.

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Dash: business they work in

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Beck: The advertising agency,

'cause that's always what women do

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Dash: Yeah.

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But this first woman that

Margaret, that solicits Margaret,

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serves, uh, a couple purposes.

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One, we learn that Margaret is

very new at trying to do this kind

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of work, she's terrible at it.

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And the woman, she's the

one who has the fetish

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Beck: fetish about

over-pennying conservators

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Dash: There's so many moments where I

stop and I'm like, "What is that about?

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What does that mean?"

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Beck: Uh, there were s- I got

some lines written down from the

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beginning of it when she's like,

"Are you a women's studies major?"

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That made me, like, cackle out loud.

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Dash: That w- s- yeah, and so

th- and that's the next scene.

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Like, after Margaret, she's trying

to negotiate this, with this woman

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who wants to overpay her for sex,

but the cops come, so she runs away.

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She doesn't get to close that deal.

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And then she g- heads over to a

diner, and she meets a woman standing

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outside, she's asking coded questions.

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She's like, " Uh, h- uh,

d- have you eaten here?

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Is it, you know, is it a good place?"

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or whatever, and the woman's like, "Yeah."

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And she goes, "So how long are you allowed

to sit in there without ordering anything?

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Say, four hours maybe?"

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And the woman is like, "Are you homeless?"

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And it turns out that's who

becomes Margaret's kind of like

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compatriot for the rest of the film.

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are very, very different,

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Beck: I love how y- I love how

they introduced her, when she comes

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rolling out from under the sink.

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That was, like, one of the, funnier

moments she had in the movie

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Dash: I laugh out loud at that.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: but that, we, they also

don't tell us how we got there.

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So

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: we…

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W- and it's, that's fine.

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It's, you know, it's interesting

that it went that way.

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But so they go in and sit down,

and Jo is kind of like, " Uh,

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so are you new at this?

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Are you in the same line of work as me?"

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And they're both talking about

the fact that they're hookers.

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At what point did you

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Beck: What point did she

realize Wenda fell for him?

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I don't think I did.

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That's not a note that I made here

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Dash: It doesn't come up

until much later in the movie.

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Like her gender presentation is different.

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She's, she's classically feminine.

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You know, she has long hair

that she styles feminine.

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She wears dresses.

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Very stylish or she's stylized.

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I don't know if it's stylish, that

stupid hat she wears all the time.

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she's ve- she's very f-

feminine presenting, like

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classically feminine presenting.

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Beck: Right

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Dash: decides she's gonna, she's gonna t-

teach Margaret how to be a better hooker.

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So this is kinda how they, their

relationship starts And then I'm

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pretty sure it's the next scene

There, we cut to the bathroom.

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It's the Port Authority in New York,

and this scene is so funny to me.

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This

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Beck: Ko-Fi

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Dash: it's just shot from the doorway.

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It's a st- a s- a camera, it's sitting

still, and we're shooting you know,

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NPCs and going from the stalls, toilets

flushing, the sound of hands washing.

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Multiple times we see this, and then

it kinda clears out, and then suddenly

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flings a trash bag off of top of her and

sits up, and she's been sleeping there.

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I didn't even see her there

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Beck: I know.

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That was the best part of it.

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Like, she was so camouflaged.

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Dash: so hard

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Beck: Yeah, me too.

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Me too.

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This movie was not what I expected at all

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Dash: Yeah.

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Well talk about that.

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Like, what kinda, what were you expecting

and what did it give you differently,

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Beck: Well, like a name with a, well, with

a name like Foxy Merkins, I thought there

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would be more about the Foxy Merkins.

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It's always funny when the title gets

said in the thing, you know, when

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they, when they say the name of the

movie or whatever in the, in the thing.

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And the, and the guy

that's like, "Foxy Merkins.

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Foxy Merkins."

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Like, that was such a random,

interaction, I guess that it's

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weird that they pull the whole thing

together and pull that as the name.

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It's clearly, you know, voyeuristic.

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They think people will come

in for that name alone.

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But I think it's off-putting

to some people as well because

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it's, you know, kinda crude.

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I don't know what I expected, but it

certainly wasn't what they gave me.

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We- in a good way.

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I ended up really enjoying the film.

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So

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Dash: I think it's hard to expect

something with a name like Foxy Merkins.

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Beck: Yehaw

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Dash: mean?"

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And you have to know what a merkin is.

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Not everybody knows what a merkin is.

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It's kind of an obscure artifact.

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But yeah, And then after Margaret

stands up in the bathroom, Jo

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comes rolling out from under the

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Beck: Yehaw

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Dash: like she's been under this big

sinks, and comes out, like, with…

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She's, she's dead, right?

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Her hair is dead.

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She's wearing her clothes.

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She comes out and she sits her

purse down and puts her hat on, and

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I was like, "What are we doing?"

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:

So this universe is re- it's not ours.

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It's really a not real type of place

which kinda helps me reconcile something

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:

that kind of annoyed me a little bit

about it, because there's a device

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:

in the movie that is inconsistent.

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they bring it up

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Beck: Bring it up and drop it entirely

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:

Dash: right at the end, which is the,

this documentary that someone is about

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the lesbian hookers, where they're in

the diner and they're, there's all these

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pieces where it's these women talking

about what it's like being a hooker to

511

:

camera So is this a, is this a fiction

piece or are we doing a mockumentary?

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Because they put those two

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Beck: Those are not

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Dash: exact

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:

Beck: the exact

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Dash: package, and

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Beck: That

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Dash: doesn't

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Beck: work.

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That's the money I Right.

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Dash: That's what annoyed me

about the ending Holy Grail.

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And I, I think I'm sensitive to

structure, to that kind of thing.

523

:

Like, that's something that I…

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think we all have the thing that allows

us to suspend disbelief, and for me,

525

:

maybe structure plays a big part in it.

526

:

Beck: Yeah

527

:

Dash: really kind of

caught off guard by that.

528

:

But then thinking back on it,

the fact that this universe,

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the fictional universe, it

doesn't make any sense either.

530

:

It's clearly not a real place.

531

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So, you know, fuck it but yeah, they,

they live in the Port Authority bathroom.

532

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They have this little office

533

:

Beck: the office, but is…

534

:

Margaret sits on the toilet and goes

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:

Dash: I think, the toilet

paper dispenser, and they…

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That's like their living room.

537

:

They just hang out in there and

drink tequila And they leave the

538

:

tequila in there behind the toilet

539

:

Beck: I guess you never g-

know what you're gonna find

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when you look under the toilet.

541

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Dash: Which is probably why you don't

542

:

Beck: the, there was a se-

do you remember Motor Boater?

543

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Motor Boater.

544

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Dash: butter.

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:

Those

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Beck: yeah

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Dash: women, that, that

really cracked me up

548

:

Beck: And then the next one I

have written down, That's a very

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fetching T-shirt you have on.

550

:

Dash: Right.

551

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That, I wrote that one down too

552

:

Beck: That made me LOL because, um

553

:

Dash: okay.

554

:

Beck: But th- you know, when,

I have … When it comes to,

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like, sexy time or whatever, I

am not the most intuitive person.

556

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Like, it would never occur to

me to, like, go buy lingerie and

557

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wear it, you know what I mean?

558

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So for dressing up for me or whatever

is a nice T-shirt and a nice pair of

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pants, you know, a nice black T-shirt.

560

:

So for them to be like, "That's a fetching

T-shirt you have on," that like … right

561

:

on the nail on the head, you know?

562

:

Like,

563

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Dash: I loved

564

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It, it,

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Beck: Yeah, it's funny

566

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Dash: relatable to me, and funny.

567

:

And, and it's, uh, also

kind of class-based, right?

568

:

Like, what

569

:

Beck: Yehaw

570

:

Dash: to, to do to put

herself together for clients?

571

:

Trixie Mattel has a story about a

time she was in London, I think,

572

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London or France, and was invited

to dinner at this extremely fancy

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place, like the kind you're not

allowed to go into unless you're

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:

wearing a certain, like a jacket and

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Beck: a jacket at the bottom.

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Dash: and she didn't know

577

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Beck: She didn't know it was like that

because she's white trash, you know?

578

:

She was trailer

579

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Dash: So she

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Beck: she

581

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Dash: wearing

582

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Beck: was wearing designer everything.

583

:

Dash: clean

584

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Beck: was all clean and pressed.

585

:

She said she thought it felt like really

586

:

Dash: great and put

587

:

Beck: great and put together.

588

:

She loved her outfit.

589

:

She shows up to this thing

590

:

Dash: and they won't let her

591

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Beck: and they won't let her in,

and they're like, "You have to-- You

592

:

can wear this disgusting moth-eaten

jacket that someone left here."

593

:

They have a closet full of

things that they'll put on you.

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:

Dash: "How

595

:

Beck: And she's like, "How is that

better than my clean and pressed clothing

596

:

Dash: feel

597

:

Beck: that I feel comfortable

598

:

Dash: But she said she

599

:

Beck: she said she was just shocked

herself with the reaction she

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had because she started crying.

601

:

Like, Needy got her to cry

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:

Dash: s- and she ran

603

:

Beck: and she ran away

because she was so humiliated

604

:

Dash: And she was trying

605

:

Beck: She was trying to

describe it because there is

606

:

something about a straight man

607

:

Dash: telling

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Beck: telling me that I don't

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:

Dash: it, that

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Beck: make it, that I don't-- I'm not,

611

:

Dash: make the

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:

Beck: like I don't cut

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:

Dash: there, that,

614

:

Beck: is a sense that this is a place

that I thought I would be welcome

615

:

Dash: there's

616

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Beck: and there was a moment

that I didn't even see coming.

617

:

Dash: Like, I didn't

618

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Beck: Like I didn't have the knowledge to

anticipate being humiliated in this way.

619

:

Dash: And I think

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:

Beck: And I think that that's kind

of, that's a minoritized experience of

621

:

like always finding new ways to feel

622

:

Dash: about

623

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Beck: bad in

624

:

Dash: based on what

625

:

Beck: that were supposed It's also a case

of, of c- uh, cultural capital again.

626

:

You know, understanding the different

class consciousness and the, and the

627

:

class, uh, personalities that come

through, the, the rules that come through

628

:

for the different class, the social rules.

629

:

Because some people never learn anything

except the class that they're in, right?

630

:

And I always talk about, when I

talk about my experience at Miami,

631

:

I went to Miami and I was like

one of five people who didn't have

632

:

millionaires as parents, you know?

633

:

And so I had to learn how to

walk a different walk, um,

634

:

just to blend in with people.

635

:

And that's, that's a, uh, education

that you pay for but you don't know that

636

:

you're paying for when you go to a place

like that, that, that has so many people

637

:

of a higher class than you're used to.

638

:

Because take me to a hog roast,

I know exactly what to do.

639

:

You know what I mean?

640

:

I know the etiquette.

641

:

I know, uh, the, the beer that you drink.

642

:

I know, I know all of those things.

643

:

Uh, but you take me to some high-end,

uh, champagne soiree, and I would have

644

:

no idea what to do in a place like that.

645

:

Dash: I'm gonna, I'm gonna sweat

through my clothes and not say a word.

646

:

Beck: Yeah.

647

:

Dash: And Margaret kinda, Margaret and Jo

are from two extremely different contexts.

648

:

Beck: Yehaw

649

:

Dash: reviews where people were like,

"Why were the parent subplots even there?

650

:

They didn't go anywhere, they didn't,

you know, develop the characters,"

651

:

which that part's true, it doesn't

really develop the characters very much.

652

:

they're

653

:

Beck: But they're there

because this movie has

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:

Dash: strong

655

:

Beck: strong homages

656

:

Dash: I'm

657

:

Beck: identified.

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:

I'm not super familiar with

the pop culture references, but

659

:

Dash: of

660

:

Beck: a lot of the references

in the movie are to

661

:

Dash: Midnight

662

:

Beck: the kind of, okay,

the final Friday item

663

:

So,

664

:

Dash: Midnight Cowboy

665

:

Beck: that cowboy,

666

:

Dash: Dustin

667

:

Beck: dust your cock and gone boy

668

:

Dash: Male hustler

669

:

Beck: prostitute or gigolo

670

:

Dash: from

671

:

Beck: moving from city to city.

672

:

Dash: And you know,

673

:

Beck: And, you know, the,

the, there's like the scene

674

:

everybody knows from it where

675

:

Dash: to

676

:

Beck: they're trying to cross the road.

677

:

Dash: what

678

:

Beck: a, it's what you call a stolen shot,

which is that they didn't actually pay

679

:

Dash: to

680

:

Beck: be able to take

this shot in downtown New

681

:

Dash: so nobody's an

682

:

Beck: So nobody's an actor

683

:

Dash: they were filming

684

:

Beck: they were filming this scene

and a taxi cab tried to like,

685

:

Dash: the

686

:

Beck: came into the crosswalk

while Dwight and Poppins were

687

:

Dash: to

688

:

Beck: trying to cross.

689

:

And

690

:

Dash: Dustin

691

:

Beck: so Dustin Hoffman improvises

the line where he bankrupts

692

:

Dash: here."

693

:

Beck: here."

694

:

Very famous

695

:

Dash: very famous.

696

:

And they, so they did that in this

movie with the Foxy Americans.

697

:

So that was kind

698

:

Beck: Yehaw

699

:

Dash: they're, that they're doing,

incorporating elements of that story, But

700

:

the other ones were a bit more subtle.

701

:

My Own Private Idaho is a Gus Van Sant

movie from like early '90s, I think.

702

:

It's got River Phoenix and Keanu

Reeves, and they both male sex workers.

703

:

so like the, the subplot

704

:

Beck: truck squad come out looking

705

:

Dash: Margaret's

706

:

Beck: Margaret Strong

707

:

Dash: that.

708

:

Beck: from that.

709

:

Like there's a next truck

squad in Mile Private, Idaho.

710

:

They're looking for,

711

:

Dash: uh, I think it's River

712

:

Beck: I think there's

River Phoenix is there,

713

:

Dash: in that.

714

:

And then some of

715

:

Beck: And then some of the more

716

:

Dash: scenes in the

717

:

Beck: in

718

:

Dash: are

719

:

Beck: are taken from that,

like the campfire scene where

720

:

Dash: is

721

:

Beck: Marjorie is like

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:

Dash: telling

723

:

Beck: telling Jo if he

were to press on him,

724

:

Dash: An homage to My Own Private Idaho.

725

:

Beck: I've not seen that,

so I didn't catch that

726

:

Dash: I haven't seen it in a long time.

727

:

I don't really like Gus Van

Zandt that much but let's

728

:

Beck: But let's talk about some of,

729

:

Dash: their

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:

Beck: their Janes

731

:

Dash: some of their clients because They

really, they kinda threw a lot at us

732

:

Beck: Well, the, the main one

is, is there was a doozy, right?

733

:

The one with the, the cops

being called every time.

734

:

That was a, a twist at the end

I thought was really funny.

735

:

I thought her nakedness in

those scenes was very brave

736

:

Dash: Wasn't that wild

737

:

Beck: Yehaw

738

:

Dash: read, I think, I think

it was like roger Ebert.com

739

:

or something where they were

like, scenes don't go anywhere.

740

:

They're not doing anything.

741

:

It's not the right- it's

not enough physical comedy."

742

:

And it's like, you don't see

what's incredible about this?

743

:

this composition.

744

:

So for anyone who didn't watch the

movie, which is probably a lot of people

745

:

listening to us right now, there's a

recurring gag, I guess you could call

746

:

it a gag, with one of Margaret's Janes.

747

:

She's the woman who said,

"That's a very fetching T-shirt."

748

:

they always meet in this

749

:

Beck: meet in this hotel and multiple

750

:

Dash: Margaret is

751

:

Beck: is in there with her and lets her

752

:

Dash: the

753

:

Beck: the

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:

Dash: and say, like, "We're rounding

755

:

Beck: We're rounding everybody up.

756

:

There's sex workers coming to the hotel.

757

:

We're gonna go get all of them.

758

:

Dash: The, the first time they

759

:

Beck: The first time they said this,

I'm like, "We got 11 of them already."

760

:

Dash: Like they're dog

catchers or something.

761

:

Beck: The fact that this happens outside

of a Talbots is the funniest thing

762

:

Dash: The woman who tried,

who, uh, her up but she thought

763

:

the 70% off sign was for her,

764

:

Beck: Yehaw

765

:

Dash: for Talbot.

766

:

Uh, I wonder if some of that was,

like, or how much of this was improv,

767

:

because a lot of times you can just

see them playing and having fun

768

:

with each other with the stuff, the

769

:

Beck: Right

770

:

Dash: telling.

771

:

Um, But the second time it happens

with these cops is the one you were

772

:

talking about, And kinda, kinda

going back to what you were saying

773

:

a, a bit ago, like, real sex is

774

:

Beck: sex is complicated.

775

:

It can be so

776

:

Dash: in a way where, we do

things like leave our socks on or,

777

:

Beck: Or, you know, leave

a baseball cap on with

778

:

Dash: glasses

779

:

Beck: glasses

780

:

Dash: and so

781

:

Beck: And so

782

:

Dash: is very

783

:

Beck: is very much,

784

:

Dash: she needs to be

785

:

Beck: she needs to be coached.

786

:

The woman has to tell her like

787

:

Dash: take your clothes off at all?"

788

:

And that scene where she's

789

:

Beck: Where she turned

it off without taking

790

:

Dash: taking the shirt

791

:

Beck: the shirt

792

:

Dash: and, uh, that's a trick

793

:

Beck: That's a trick, Irish.

794

:

Dash: know, you, like,

795

:

Beck: Oh yeah, that's the only way to go.

796

:

Dash: Yeah.

797

:

Beck: It's the only way to go.

798

:

Yeah

799

:

Dash: As soon as you walk in the door.

800

:

But she continues to do that.

801

:

Like, she takes the shirt

off under the sheet.

802

:

She, like, wrestles her underwear

down and off under the sheet.

803

:

She's determined not to expose herself.

804

:

then the next second the woman says, "Go

over there and get the remote control."

805

:

Beck: Yehaw

806

:

Dash: fully nude, and this is

when these bust in a second time.

807

:

And that scene, As an actress, and I,

I always go here in my mind when I see

808

:

things on camera, what was that like in

809

:

Beck: But like,

810

:

Dash: wrote it,

811

:

Beck: for a month Right?

812

:

Dash: But the way that shot is

813

:

Beck: The shot is framed because

we're looking through the door

814

:

of a very tiny hotel room.

815

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She doesn't have anywhere to go.

816

:

Dash: just naked

817

:

Beck: Just maybe wearing her socks and her

818

:

Dash: and she's, like, got her

819

:

Beck: She's like got

her arms out like this.

820

:

She's not covering up

821

:

Dash: and that scene

822

:

Beck: and not seeing her laugh in

823

:

Dash: 30 seconds long

824

:

Beck: Right.

825

:

Right

826

:

Dash: And these cops standing

there staring at her.

827

:

Those, I mean, they were looking

right, on either side, they had

828

:

her flanked, pointing guns at

829

:

Beck: It's like I can't

drop it any further.

830

:

It reminded me of the Super Troopers,

"I can't pull over any further"

831

:

Dash: Pull over.

832

:

Beck: Drop

833

:

Dash: scene wasn't funny, I'm

sorry, but that was hysterical

834

:

because it, the absurdity of it.

835

:

Like, there's the, it's juxtaposed, right?

836

:

There's the piece of her, of this

woman with a, a, a, a non sexualized,

837

:

I guess, non-male gaze body standing

there naked in front of police of all

838

:

people, uh, being given orders that she

can't comply with 'cause they're saying,

839

:

like, "Drop what's in your hands,"

840

:

Beck: it in your hands and

just like there's nothing.

841

:

Dash: I can't

842

:

Beck: I can't drop

anything because I don't

843

:

Dash: anything."

844

:

Beck: it.

845

:

Dash: goes on

846

:

Beck: It goes on and on and on.

847

:

I thought it was a great Yeah, I agree

848

:

Dash: And then they're like, "Take

off your socks," and she's gotta

849

:

hike her legs up and take her socks

off fully naked I can't think of

850

:

another scene like that in a movie,

851

:

Beck: Right.

852

:

Like I said, very brave.

853

:

Very brave.

854

:

I don't think I could put

my body out there like that.

855

:

I just, you know

856

:

Dash: Yehaw.

857

:

And it happens again.

858

:

And my question was why does she

keep going back to this woman?

859

:

She must pay good

860

:

Beck: Well, a dollar's a dollar.

861

:

Dash: She, yeah, she doesn't know that

this is, uh, a scene, like this is part

862

:

Beck: Right

863

:

Dash: woman's kink.

864

:

Which I kinda did.

865

:

Did you pick up on that or were you like,

866

:

Beck: No.

867

:

Dash: on?

868

:

Why, how do the

869

:

Beck: Yeah.

870

:

So my notes are really funny I, 'cause

I was, I write as I go, and I was like,

871

:

Dash: Yehaw

872

:

Beck: maid by the cop, you didn't see it.

873

:

Then it was fake, question mark.

874

:

It's her kink, LOL.

875

:

LOL, she's big mad.

876

:

Dash: Uh, a similar thing happened to me.

877

:

Like, that was, that was what happened

to me the first time I saw this movie,

878

:

and partly it's because the movie

is so bonkers you can't predict…

879

:

It's hard to be on

880

:

Beck: Yeah.

881

:

Dash: right?

882

:

You're,

883

:

Beck: Yeah

884

:

Dash: you're not gonna be the one

that guesses the ending of this movie.

885

:

So yeah, I didn't either.

886

:

And so on the third one she brings

her maid with her, and already, 'cause

887

:

the, her maid is Black, she's wearing a

modern, but classic maid outfit and a wax

888

:

fabric head, head, hairpiece, headpiece.

889

:

Did you notice that?

890

:

Beck: No

891

:

Dash: so I was already

892

:

Beck: So I was already kind of

like, "Oh God, what's going on here?

893

:

This is interesting."

894

:

Right.

895

:

Yeah

896

:

Dash: who has been brought just to

clean this motel bathroom is a Black

897

:

woman with a wax fabric hairpiece on,"

and then the cops come in and shoot her

898

:

Beck: Yeah, exactly.

899

:

It was like a what?

900

:

Dash: I legit, like my, I think

my jaw unhinged 'cause I was like

901

:

Beck: Yeah.

902

:

Dash: We're doing that?

903

:

Beck: Yehaw.

904

:

Dash: And then the way they react too

is like, "You didn't see anything?

905

:

You didn't see this?"

906

:

Uh, and then covering her in plastic

and dragging her out into the hallway

907

:

Beck: The whole thing was wild.

908

:

And then, then it dawns on you

what's actually happening there.

909

:

I th- I thought it was brilliant.

910

:

I really did

911

:

Dash: too.

912

:

Because they sto- we, we change

vantage points once they're in the

913

:

hallway to the other end of the

hallway, and so we're looking at them.

914

:

The two police are standing.

915

:

She's, like, s- laying crossways

on the ground after having been

916

:

shot in the plastic, and the two

police are kinda hunched over her.

917

:

And then they stand perfectly still

for, like, five seconds, and then

918

:

all of a sudden she starts laughing

and gets up, and they all start

919

:

laughing, and then they leave.

920

:

Beck: Yehaw

921

:

Dash: I don't think they said anything.

922

:

I think they were just laughing, though

But that's basically when you're like,

923

:

"Okay, something else is going on."

924

:

And that's le- next scene I

think is when Margaret and

925

:

Beck: Margaret

926

:

and Jo are it.

927

:

Dash: The event.

928

:

Beck: Yeah, Margaret's telling

her about it and how it fits she.

929

:

Dash: and Jo is like,

930

:

Beck: And Jo was like,

"No, it's a scene with the

931

:

Dash: And Margaret realizes

932

:

Beck: realized that

933

:

Dash: was in

934

:

Beck: was in on Yeah, I didn't,

I don't think I caught that

935

:

Dash: Why did she, why would

she do something like that?

936

:

Beck: Maybe she got a cut of the money.

937

:

I mean, that's the whole point

of the prostitution to begin with

938

:

Dash: That was what

Margaret said, actually.

939

:

Margaret was like, "Did you get a cut?"

940

:

And Jo didn't answer.

941

:

So that's probably what happened their

friendship is based on the, the Midnight

942

:

Cowboy friendship between Jon Voight's

character and Dustin Hoffman's character.

943

:

Beck: Ever seen that?

944

:

Dash: It's based on a book by a

gay man who grew up in Chillicothe,

945

:

which I did not know until about 20

minutes before we started recording

946

:

and I was doing a deep dive.

947

:

Beck: Wow

948

:

Dash: yeah.

949

:

Uh, here, let me…

950

:

Leo Herlihy.

951

:

Herlihy.

952

:

I don't know which it is.

953

:

Beck: Really?

954

:

Her last one.

955

:

Oh.

956

:

Sounded like a Pee-wee Herman

skit there for a minute.

957

:

Do you remember the mecka

leka hi, mecka hiney ho?

958

:

Dash: like a high, yeah.

959

:

Yeah, he was born in Detroit

and raised in Chillicothe,

960

:

Beck: Wow.

961

:

Dash: several other books too.

962

:

He was friends with Tennessee

Williams, Tallulah Bankhead

963

:

Beck: Wow, somebody cool

came out of Chillicothe

964

:

Dash: Yeah, and I wanna read the book now

because it's a lot weirder apparently,

965

:

you know, it's, and a lot queerer.

966

:

But anyway, uh, the, the

relationsh- the dynamic there

967

:

is that Jo is not a good person.

968

:

She, she has affection

for Margaret, I think.

969

:

I think the affection is real, but she

970

:

Beck: But she also sees

Margaret as a puppet.

971

:

Dash: sees

972

:

Beck: She sees Margaret as something

to just play bought and sold

973

:

Dash: off of.

974

:

Mm-hmm

975

:

Beck: Yeah.

976

:

So it's a commodifying kind of thing

977

:

Dash: Right.

978

:

And, and that extra interesting

given Cause she's, she's gay for pay.

979

:

Like, she is sleeping with these

women money, which I'm not saying…

980

:

That's

981

:

Beck: I'm not saying that's not right?

982

:

Dash: it's the

983

:

Beck: But it's the fact

that she is straight that

984

:

Dash: the

985

:

Beck: makes the business like remarkable.

986

:

Dash: I'm all for

987

:

Beck: I'm all for anybody fucking

whoever they want to for money.

988

:

Dash: as long as they

989

:

Beck: Fuck, it's there.

990

:

Dash: and sober.

991

:

But this moment

992

:

Beck: but this moment

is like, "Wait a minute,

993

:

Dash: Jo's

994

:

very nice to

995

:

Beck: very nice-"

996

:

Dash: here."

997

:

And then the fact that

998

:

Beck: And then the fact that

she's-- So, you know, after that,

999

:

Dash: is when Margaret's…

:

00:35:53,106 --> 00:35:53,587

They're back in

:

00:35:53,728 --> 00:35:56,788

Beck: they're back in their, their

bathroom, Clara calls up Ginger next

:

00:35:56,848 --> 00:36:00,528

to her and was kind of like how kind

of a daughter does, and she asks her.

:

00:36:00,566 --> 00:36:01,126

Dash: The Merkin thing

:

00:36:01,189 --> 00:36:02,689

Beck: The merchant thing

had already happened because

:

00:36:03,189 --> 00:36:05,561

Dash: We forgot a

scene ' I did try to make

:

00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:06,880

c- uh, chronological notes.

:

00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:08,040

We were talking about the

:

00:36:08,162 --> 00:36:09,862

Beck: We're talking about

different jobs, 'cause

:

00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,260

Dash: just

:

00:36:10,363 --> 00:36:11,103

Beck: than just that,

:

00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:11,580

Dash: also

:

00:36:11,643 --> 00:36:12,182

Beck: was also the

:

00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:12,760

Dash: MFA

:

00:36:13,043 --> 00:36:16,696

Beck: MFA she said, "I have … I'm

an MF- FA student in drama.

:

00:36:16,855 --> 00:36:17,636

I have no money."

:

00:36:18,015 --> 00:36:19,696

And I felt that, like,

:

00:36:20,209 --> 00:36:20,369

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:36:21,464 --> 00:36:24,304

Beck: as a former, former MA

student myself, I, I felt that

:

00:36:24,804 --> 00:36:28,044

Dash: And I, I didn't, I didn't

put this together the first time

:

00:36:28,084 --> 00:36:30,784

I watched it, but this time I

started, I wondered about this.

:

00:36:31,644 --> 00:36:34,105

this whole scene is basically,

like, this woman is checking

:

00:36:34,184 --> 00:36:35,746

her maybe checking her out.

:

00:36:35,826 --> 00:36:37,846

She's staring at her with

this really unsettling face.

:

00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:40,286

This, this woman was cast just

because she could make this face.

:

00:36:40,813 --> 00:36:44,020

Follows her into the movie theater,

creeps down in between her legs and the

:

00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,400

floor, and eats all her popcorn, a- and

then goes to the bathroom, and Margaret

:

00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,400

goes to confront her, and she's like, "I

was hungry and I don't have any money."

:

00:36:52,612 --> 00:36:54,530

but then um, when she

starts going like, "What

:

00:36:54,544 --> 00:36:55,505

Beck: Start feeling

like, what are you gonna

:

00:36:55,879 --> 00:36:56,518

Dash: Did you think maybe

:

00:36:56,552 --> 00:36:58,513

Beck: Did you think maybe

that could be a scene also?

:

00:36:58,678 --> 00:36:58,818

Dash: been

:

00:36:58,952 --> 00:37:01,372

Beck: that could've been like

her thing, what she wants to

:

00:37:01,618 --> 00:37:03,498

Dash: punished for stealing popcorn in a

:

00:37:03,632 --> 00:37:06,117

Beck: popcorn and movies I didn't

think of that, but it definitely

:

00:37:06,157 --> 00:37:08,017

could be, for sure I guess I'm kind of

:

00:37:08,297 --> 00:37:09,097

white bread myself.

:

00:37:09,197 --> 00:37:12,098

I don't think of kink and, and

like, "Ooh, that's somebody's kink."

:

00:37:12,217 --> 00:37:14,137

I just don't have those thoughts, I guess.

:

00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:17,338

I guess I should more because this

is the Earth and they're everywhere

:

00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:17,764

Dash: yeah.

:

00:37:17,784 --> 00:37:21,764

Uh, and, and it help- I mean, sometimes

if, if that's a big part of a piece

:

00:37:21,804 --> 00:37:25,445

of media or something, or the comedy,

it can be helpful to be at least

:

00:37:25,565 --> 00:37:27,377

versed in it because it is always…

:

00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:29,998

It's so closely associated

with queerness, right?

:

00:37:30,058 --> 00:37:31,697

The kink community takes all kinds,

:

00:37:32,479 --> 00:37:34,880

Beck: Yehaw

:

00:37:34,962 --> 00:37:39,197

Dash: institution or influential

person is gonna mock community, it's

:

00:37:39,258 --> 00:37:42,937

with kink, or they're gonna mock the

kink community, it's with queerness.

:

00:37:43,298 --> 00:37:47,019

But I, I wasn't savvy to it the first

time I watched it either, so this time,

:

00:37:47,420 --> 00:37:51,036

knowing that that other piece was in the

movie, I just, that is went in my brain.

:

00:37:56,518 --> 00:37:59,078

And then the other one was the

motorboaters, these two women that

:

00:37:59,138 --> 00:38:05,549

were there for a women's conference, a

women's which is probably where a lot

:

00:38:05,609 --> 00:38:08,453

of closeted lesbians get their, you

:

00:38:08,535 --> 00:38:09,655

Beck: they're, you know, women,

:

00:38:09,693 --> 00:38:10,173

Dash: is these

:

00:38:10,275 --> 00:38:10,515

Beck: right?

:

00:38:10,873 --> 00:38:11,573

Dash: conferences.

:

00:38:12,073 --> 00:38:13,993

I was thinking about

how certain industries

:

00:38:14,619 --> 00:38:14,779

Beck: like,

:

00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:15,589

Dash: lesbians.

:

00:38:15,729 --> 00:38:16,989

Remem- you remember, like,

:

00:38:17,055 --> 00:38:18,575

Beck: all the,

:

00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:19,989

Dash: what you call it?

:

00:38:20,255 --> 00:38:23,205

Beck: you know, jokes and stereotypes

about what jobs we're Yeah, for sure.

:

00:38:23,705 --> 00:38:25,165

Dash: They were firefighters

:

00:38:25,438 --> 00:38:25,618

Beck: Gym

:

00:38:26,537 --> 00:38:27,668

Dash: Student teachers delivery

:

00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:29,280

Beck: delivery drivers

:

00:38:30,506 --> 00:38:32,866

I know a lot of EMT and paramedic queers

:

00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:37,128

Dash: Something about that

that whole, like, thing, right?

:

00:38:37,248 --> 00:38:38,868

Like, I don't know why, but…

:

00:38:39,288 --> 00:38:39,688

And who knows?

:

00:38:39,748 --> 00:38:41,948

It could be the work or it

could be the community, and

:

00:38:42,108 --> 00:38:43,168

whichever, it doesn't matter.

:

00:38:43,228 --> 00:38:47,215

But these two women have clearly, like,

come to this conference to be together.

:

00:38:47,515 --> 00:38:51,375

I don't think they intended

to get the girls in there.

:

00:38:51,795 --> 00:38:53,835

I think they actually just met on

:

00:38:53,909 --> 00:38:55,109

Beck: Just met on the elevator.

:

00:38:55,175 --> 00:38:58,115

Dash: speaking in this coded talk

and brought them up there, and

:

00:38:58,136 --> 00:39:00,455

then they started, like, that's

when the motorboater scene happened

:

00:39:00,712 --> 00:39:05,192

way they were dressed though, that one

woman in particular with her bowl cut,

:

00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:10,708

that was the worst bowl cut I have ever

seen And she had bright red lipstick

:

00:39:10,808 --> 00:39:14,172

on, which apparently that was gonna make

her look straight, was the lipstick.

:

00:39:14,272 --> 00:39:15,473

And the rest of her, she's wearing like a,

:

00:39:15,542 --> 00:39:16,082

Beck: She's wearing like a,

:

00:39:16,192 --> 00:39:16,752

Dash: Scout

:

00:39:16,862 --> 00:39:17,563

Beck: fit gown

:

00:39:18,353 --> 00:39:19,732

Dash: jorts type of thing.

:

00:39:19,973 --> 00:39:24,094

Like, I just couldn't stop looking at

every piece of her, like everything

:

00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:25,914

that went into making her look.

:

00:39:26,177 --> 00:39:27,856

And then they asked them for some like

:

00:39:28,143 --> 00:39:28,582

other like

:

00:39:28,756 --> 00:39:31,916

Beck: other, like, clothing products,

and they wanted to watch them do that.

:

00:39:31,996 --> 00:39:32,277

I don't know.

:

00:39:32,302 --> 00:39:32,762

Dash: a particular

:

00:39:32,777 --> 00:39:34,036

Beck: Like a particular kind of like…

:

00:39:34,182 --> 00:39:34,483

Dash: that what

:

00:39:34,496 --> 00:39:36,177

Beck: I think that what

they were going for with the

:

00:39:36,262 --> 00:39:37,502

Dash: of like a

:

00:39:37,691 --> 00:39:37,991

Beck: A

:

00:39:38,461 --> 00:39:45,121

Dash: non-traumatic or, or, or terribly

stigmatized look at the different kinds

:

00:39:45,141 --> 00:39:50,322

of things people might want out of sex

work that's not just P in the V, you know?

:

00:39:51,052 --> 00:39:51,291

Beck: Yehaw

:

00:39:51,791 --> 00:39:55,851

Dash: There's a, uh, a really funny

piece of either writing or improv

:

00:39:56,291 --> 00:40:01,721

where is trying to give Margaret

advice on how to signal to women that

:

00:40:01,822 --> 00:40:05,637

she's a sex worker, and sh- she's

like, "Maybe you should use bandanas."

:

00:40:05,906 --> 00:40:07,467

And it was, you know,

:

00:40:07,608 --> 00:40:10,428

Beck: Which, you know, in the

references the field Wenda Right.

:

00:40:10,488 --> 00:40:10,729

Right

:

00:40:11,229 --> 00:40:14,889

Dash: I only know a few, probably

the more salacious ones, right?

:

00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:16,869

Handkerchief code is what it's called.

:

00:40:16,909 --> 00:40:17,609

The hanky code.

:

00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:19,599

Beck: I always wear a

blue one, dark blue one.

:

00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,319

What does that mean?

:

00:40:20,604 --> 00:40:21,523

Dash: You're not gonna like it?

:

00:40:23,465 --> 00:40:24,805

That means anal sex.

:

00:40:25,363 --> 00:40:26,364

Beck: You're right, I don't like that.

:

00:40:26,873 --> 00:40:27,753

Dash: advertising.

:

00:40:30,933 --> 00:40:34,140

so there's a, there's a little codec here.

:

00:40:34,217 --> 00:40:36,678

So I knew that yellow was water sports

:

00:40:37,178 --> 00:40:39,299

Beck: Yehaw

:

00:40:39,799 --> 00:40:41,399

Dash: And then dark blue is anal sex.

:

00:40:41,694 --> 00:40:43,075

Light blue is oral sex.

:

00:40:43,337 --> 00:40:44,758

Brown we can guess.

:

00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:46,877

Green is prostitution.

:

00:40:47,092 --> 00:40:48,071

Gray is bondage.

:

00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:49,474

Purple is piercing.

:

00:40:49,838 --> 00:40:50,978

What is piercing?

:

00:40:51,165 --> 00:40:52,625

Beck: Like as the act or…

:

00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:54,718

Yeah.

:

00:40:55,274 --> 00:40:56,955

Wouldn't you run out of places after some-

:

00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:58,155

Dash: well, that's what I'm saying.

:

00:40:58,215 --> 00:41:00,795

Like, is there a limited number

of times you can do this?

:

00:41:01,775 --> 00:41:04,315

I am not trying to kink shame,

let me put that out there.

:

00:41:04,571 --> 00:41:06,430

I just have logistical

questions, you know?

:

00:41:06,718 --> 00:41:07,339

Beck: Exactly.

:

00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:08,738

Dash: and then red is fisting

:

00:41:08,989 --> 00:41:09,288

Beck: Oh.

:

00:41:10,515 --> 00:41:12,575

Dash: this Wikipedia page could…

:

00:41:12,766 --> 00:41:15,126

there's gonna be some free fall

happening later, 'cause there's all these

:

00:41:15,187 --> 00:41:16,466

links in here that I wanna click on.

:

00:41:16,607 --> 00:41:17,726

We're not gonna do that right now.

:

00:41:18,426 --> 00:41:22,086

We can do another- we can do a

live episode one time where g- we

:

00:41:22,126 --> 00:41:24,266

just do Q- Wikipedia free fall.

:

00:41:25,716 --> 00:41:29,335

But the examples Jo gives, like

she's clearly making them up, the

:

00:41:29,415 --> 00:41:34,187

red one was for to signal that you

only wanted to be with women who had

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00:41:34,247 --> 00:41:36,747

experienced the change is what she said.

:

00:41:37,247 --> 00:41:38,808

Oh, I remember the one that made me laugh.

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00:41:38,867 --> 00:41:42,149

She said yellow was for you

have more than three cats.

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00:41:42,649 --> 00:41:45,209

Beck: There was a line there,

she said, "When two women get

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00:41:45,229 --> 00:41:48,409

together and they start composting,

they start sharing clothes."

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00:41:48,909 --> 00:41:49,309

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:41:49,350 --> 00:41:53,289

The, and that's the campfire scene that I

was talking about that's based on My Own

:

00:41:53,369 --> 00:41:55,889

Private Idaho, and it's kinda similar.

:

00:41:55,949 --> 00:41:59,382

Like, in that scene I forget which,

I think it's Keanu Reeves's character

:

00:41:59,802 --> 00:42:03,239

confesses that he's kind of falling

in love with River Phoenix's

:

00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:05,673

character, and he's like, uh…

:

00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:07,590

No, I'm only gay for pay."

:

00:42:08,090 --> 00:42:11,130

and but he has this weird

metaphorical way of describing it.

:

00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:14,228

And so when she said,

Women don't love women."

:

00:42:14,728 --> 00:42:15,808

I think Yeah.

:

00:42:16,589 --> 00:42:17,848

women don't love other women.

:

00:42:18,308 --> 00:42:22,263

And I wanted to, to talk about that

because that could mean so many things.

:

00:42:22,323 --> 00:42:26,423

That's so broad and it, and it

gestures to, it's about women.

:

00:42:26,743 --> 00:42:28,403

It's not about queer women.

:

00:42:28,463 --> 00:42:29,683

It's, it's not about…

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00:42:30,664 --> 00:42:34,309

Like she's, she could be talking

about having women, friends,

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00:42:34,665 --> 00:42:36,505

Or being allies to one another

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00:42:37,005 --> 00:42:38,946

Beck: It was a very female-centric film

:

00:42:39,446 --> 00:42:43,646

Dash: Which on the heels of that one scene

where they get drunk in the, in the stall

:

00:42:44,046 --> 00:42:50,996

and she she goes on this rant about how

you were sh- if you were a man or if I

:

00:42:51,097 --> 00:42:55,796

was a man and we were both gay, or if I

was gay, or if I was a man and you were a

:

00:42:55,817 --> 00:42:59,596

woman and we were both straight, like H-

have you ever been on the receiving end

:

00:42:59,636 --> 00:43:00,996

of that kind of straight girl treatment?

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00:43:01,496 --> 00:43:01,895

Beck: Yes.

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00:43:02,395 --> 00:43:03,796

Dash: I felt that scene so deeply.

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00:43:03,936 --> 00:43:04,035

The

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00:43:04,305 --> 00:43:04,585

Beck: Yeah

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00:43:05,335 --> 00:43:08,017

Dash: of straight women

either, "You're so pretty.

:

00:43:08,116 --> 00:43:09,016

Why are you gay?"

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00:43:09,516 --> 00:43:10,767

Or, " You're so nice.

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00:43:10,887 --> 00:43:11,667

You're so whatever.

:

00:43:11,767 --> 00:43:12,988

I feel so safe with you.

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00:43:13,687 --> 00:43:16,307

you were a guy, I would be all over you."

:

00:43:16,801 --> 00:43:17,062

Beck: Yep.

:

00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:18,001

Yep.

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00:43:18,167 --> 00:43:18,628

Dash: say that?

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00:43:19,128 --> 00:43:20,808

Beck: I think they think it's a compliment

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00:43:21,308 --> 00:43:23,729

Sincerely, I think they believe

their, their compliment.

:

00:43:24,068 --> 00:43:27,528

But I don't ever wanna be compared to

a man, like, for any reason whatsoever

:

00:43:28,028 --> 00:43:28,709

Dash: It's weird.

:

00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:31,948

And, and what if, like what

if I said that to them?

:

00:43:32,248 --> 00:43:35,268

Like, "Oh, well if you were a hot,

then I would be all over you."

:

00:43:35,348 --> 00:43:36,788

Like, that doesn't make any sense.

:

00:43:37,288 --> 00:43:40,571

And also, like the culture of

complimenting, women know better.

:

00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:43,570

Women know what compliments are from men.

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00:43:43,731 --> 00:43:45,911

They're weaponized, they're objectifying.

:

00:43:46,084 --> 00:43:46,464

Beck: Right?

:

00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:51,224

well I think that's the inflation of,

of men thinking their opinions are

:

00:43:51,224 --> 00:43:52,805

worth more than they're actually worth

:

00:43:53,334 --> 00:43:56,254

think a lot of especially white

men have that particular affliction

:

00:43:57,508 --> 00:44:00,664

Dash: anyway, that's another thing that

makes me sort of, that made me go like,

:

00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:05,185

"She's not a good person 'cause she's

doing that straight girl shit to Margaret"

:

00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:06,066

Beck: Right?

:

00:44:06,211 --> 00:44:09,512

Dash: The bit about her, she does

eventually meet her brother apparently.

:

00:44:09,671 --> 00:44:14,171

I had no idea that's who that pers- this

was in that scene when she, suddenly in

:

00:44:14,211 --> 00:44:16,011

this guy's trailer and she's fainted.

:

00:44:16,302 --> 00:44:17,363

I don't know if I missed something.

:

00:44:17,422 --> 00:44:19,722

Did they cut a scene where

she ran in there or something?

:

00:44:20,061 --> 00:44:21,621

But it comes out that

that's her real brother.

:

00:44:21,662 --> 00:44:22,641

She's found him, and he…

:

00:44:22,899 --> 00:44:24,239

Beck: I don't remember

what you're talking about

:

00:44:24,642 --> 00:44:28,784

Dash: she is kinda in and out of

consciousness in that guy's trailer, and

:

00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:31,390

is like, " Yeah, can I use your bathroom?

:

00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:32,990

And then your bathroom's disgusting."

:

00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:36,711

That scene is doing nothing except for

he goes, "I've got a picture of you

:

00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:41,890

and Mom," and he shows her a picture of

her as a baby and their mom in a, in…

:

00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:43,531

He calls it the institution.

:

00:44:43,859 --> 00:44:44,179

And I don't

:

00:44:44,213 --> 00:44:44,573

Beck: Right

:

00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,800

Dash: supposed to be real or

if it's him fucking with her,

:

00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:48,179

but they get into a fight.

:

00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:50,499

So the mom subplot resurfaces.

:

00:44:50,993 --> 00:44:54,134

Beck: Well, most homosexuals I know

have some kind of relationship with

:

00:44:54,153 --> 00:44:56,633

their mother or their father, you know?

:

00:44:56,973 --> 00:44:57,193

So

:

00:44:57,251 --> 00:44:57,511

Dash: You mean

:

00:44:57,793 --> 00:44:58,293

Beck: that could be

:

00:44:58,551 --> 00:44:58,991

Dash: drama?

:

00:44:59,491 --> 00:45:01,431

Beck: Yeah, most people have

with w- at least one of their

:

00:45:01,471 --> 00:45:03,331

parents, they've had drama before.

:

00:45:03,571 --> 00:45:04,191

Most of us

:

00:45:04,337 --> 00:45:04,817

Dash: exactly

:

00:45:05,317 --> 00:45:07,997

Beck: Like, I think of my friend

Jonas, I talk about him often.

:

00:45:08,037 --> 00:45:11,178

When he came out, he had to come out

to his mom like five times 'cause she

:

00:45:11,238 --> 00:45:12,817

kept like pretending she didn't hear him

:

00:45:13,826 --> 00:45:16,266

Dash: And then the- we- I, I

assume she never found her mom.

:

00:45:16,346 --> 00:45:17,406

They just kinda drop it.

:

00:45:17,467 --> 00:45:20,748

But Jo's mom, we meet her, she

finds her in the bathroom, and

:

00:45:20,789 --> 00:45:23,608

she's like, "We're gonna cut you off

financially if you don't come home."

:

00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:25,470

Beck: Right.

:

00:45:25,528 --> 00:45:26,768

Dash: it turns out that Jo

:

00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:27,491

Beck: So it,

:

00:45:27,669 --> 00:45:27,808

Dash: had

:

00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:32,045

Beck: think that it turned out that

Bill had, had money the whole Oh

:

00:45:32,106 --> 00:45:33,305

yeah, that's what I took from it

:

00:45:33,383 --> 00:45:36,864

Dash: particular kind of identity tourism.

:

00:45:36,883 --> 00:45:38,903

There- I have known people who have…

:

00:45:38,944 --> 00:45:41,643

It's like LARPing as a certain identity.

:

00:45:42,143 --> 00:45:43,923

Like rich people who do poor people shit

:

00:45:44,423 --> 00:45:47,903

Beck: I'm not gonna say his name,

but I know somebody who is very,

:

00:45:48,203 --> 00:45:52,028

very wealthy who goes to the

health department and is on welfare

:

00:45:52,065 --> 00:45:53,545

Dash: Wow, that sounds, like, broad

:

00:45:54,081 --> 00:45:56,041

Beck: I don't know how he

does it, but he does it

:

00:45:56,541 --> 00:45:56,881

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:45:57,143 --> 00:46:02,282

there's, it's like, uh, rich people

who live in, uh, sh- shacks and

:

00:46:02,361 --> 00:46:03,861

talk about like, "Oh, I only…

:

00:46:04,182 --> 00:46:08,781

Uh, we can all of our stuff, and

we only eat organic, and we…"

:

00:46:09,041 --> 00:46:10,602

But, and it's like you can do that,

:

00:46:11,049 --> 00:46:12,209

more power to you, whatever.

:

00:46:12,369 --> 00:46:14,669

But then they'll start talking

like, "And it's healthier.

:

00:46:14,709 --> 00:46:15,529

It's better for you.

:

00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:19,049

People who, you know, live that

way, they're healthier than us.

:

00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:19,410

They're better…"

:

00:46:19,449 --> 00:46:21,349

It's like fetishizing poverty

:

00:46:21,849 --> 00:46:24,729

Beck: Yeah, this guy wears old

clothes and has a middle-of-the-range

:

00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:29,229

car and shops at Aldi and does

all of the signifying things.

:

00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:32,489

He doesn't want anybody to know he

has money, and he absolutely has money

:

00:46:33,487 --> 00:46:33,847

Dash: Yeah.

:

00:46:34,187 --> 00:46:35,947

And, and lesbians are kind of…

:

00:46:36,447 --> 00:46:40,246

have been, lesbian culture anyway,

that was one of my problems with,

:

00:46:40,306 --> 00:46:44,606

like, The L Word, those rich women

all in LA there on that show.

:

00:46:45,067 --> 00:46:46,987

Like the home birth thing,

giving birth at home.

:

00:46:47,067 --> 00:46:47,706

Well, it's natural.

:

00:46:47,746 --> 00:46:48,107

People have been

:

00:46:48,364 --> 00:46:49,044

Beck: Like the home birth,

:

00:46:49,067 --> 00:46:49,427

Dash: People have been

:

00:46:49,584 --> 00:46:50,184

Beck: giving birth at

:

00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:57,630

Well, I, I think that's a

completely different conversation.

:

00:46:57,910 --> 00:47:02,980

Like, being born at home, we medicalize

childbirth so much that it's overdone,

:

00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:08,695

that I think most women if they are normal

and healthy you know, they're young or

:

00:47:08,775 --> 00:47:12,154

whatever, they can do the birth at home,

and I don't think that is such a big deal.

:

00:47:12,234 --> 00:47:14,294

A lot of them do water

births and things like that.

:

00:47:14,695 --> 00:47:16,194

Like, my grandparents were born at home.

:

00:47:16,234 --> 00:47:17,634

Lots of people were born at home.

:

00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,620

And I think it's ridiculous that

we take surgeons, like OBGYNs, and

:

00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,360

have them doing something mundane.

:

00:47:23,579 --> 00:47:26,978

My argument is that we should have

more midwives, basically and we should

:

00:47:27,018 --> 00:47:28,498

be doing more things in the home.

:

00:47:28,808 --> 00:47:32,788

We shouldn't-- There's no reason for

every birth to go through the hospital.

:

00:47:33,188 --> 00:47:35,468

Because when you go to the

hospital, time is money, right?

:

00:47:35,548 --> 00:47:40,168

And you go in, and you're in labor, and

your labor is gonna take 25 hours, say.

:

00:47:40,488 --> 00:47:43,168

Well, by hour 12, they're ready

to move you out of that bed, so

:

00:47:43,188 --> 00:47:46,188

they give you some Pitocin, which

helps speed up your labor, right?

:

00:47:46,548 --> 00:47:49,248

But then that Pitocin raises the

baby's blood pressure, and then it

:

00:47:49,288 --> 00:47:52,688

becomes, you know, uh, you need another

intervention, and then you need another

:

00:47:52,748 --> 00:47:55,988

intervention, and then it becomes a,

a critical thing for the baby, and you

:

00:47:56,028 --> 00:47:59,348

gotta get him out now, you probably have

to have a C-section or something, all

:

00:47:59,449 --> 00:48:01,008

because you started with that Pitocin.

:

00:48:01,028 --> 00:48:04,608

And if you had done this at home, there

would've been no need for escalation, and

:

00:48:04,629 --> 00:48:06,128

there would've been no danger to the baby.

:

00:48:06,449 --> 00:48:08,068

And that's something that happens a lot

:

00:48:08,592 --> 00:48:11,533

Dash: it is the money aspect that

creates the thing that annoys me,

:

00:48:11,785 --> 00:48:15,367

Because these are people for whom

money is no object, and they can

:

00:48:15,528 --> 00:48:17,647

afford to pay a midwife by the hour

:

00:48:18,329 --> 00:48:19,029

Beck: Wouldn't that be nice?

:

00:48:19,368 --> 00:48:22,507

Dash: for a full weekend because

they might go into labor or whatever.

:

00:48:22,708 --> 00:48:24,187

And, and also they have the

:

00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:25,077

Beck: Yeah

:

00:48:25,887 --> 00:48:27,127

Dash: case something goes wrong.

:

00:48:27,587 --> 00:48:28,767

And that's kinda different.

:

00:48:28,847 --> 00:48:33,117

And th- and then for them to go

like, "Well, people without access

:

00:48:33,177 --> 00:48:35,698

to, without means do this all the

time and are fine," and it's like,

:

00:48:35,797 --> 00:48:37,617

that's not how it works though.

:

00:48:37,917 --> 00:48:41,457

If there's a crisis for somebody

that you're talking about, they

:

00:48:41,459 --> 00:48:43,859

Beck: a crisis for somebody

we're talking about.

:

00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:45,100

They don't get to just like

:

00:48:45,197 --> 00:48:46,037

Dash: need to, to

:

00:48:46,259 --> 00:48:49,819

Beck: ride down to the hospital and get

whatever they need to, to help, right?

:

00:48:49,879 --> 00:48:51,939

If something goes wrong

through home birth,

:

00:48:52,077 --> 00:48:52,357

Dash: that's

:

00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:53,910

there's

:

00:48:54,112 --> 00:48:55,212

Beck: then that's just death.

:

00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:56,060

Dash: So I

:

00:48:56,102 --> 00:48:57,342

Beck: no like backup.

:

00:48:57,361 --> 00:48:58,700

Dash: needing more doulas and

:

00:48:58,743 --> 00:49:02,403

Beck: So I mean, your point about

us needing more doulas and midwives

:

00:49:02,442 --> 00:49:04,602

and stuff like that is spot on

because that should be normal.

:

00:49:04,743 --> 00:49:05,482

It should be like--

:

00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:05,780

Dash: be

:

00:49:05,882 --> 00:49:08,382

Beck: they should be affordable

and they should be accessible.

:

00:49:09,984 --> 00:49:13,424

There's no reason that having a baby

should cost tens of thousands of dollars.

:

00:49:13,644 --> 00:49:14,344

You know what I mean?

:

00:49:14,575 --> 00:49:15,695

That just makes no sense.

:

00:49:15,755 --> 00:49:20,515

And if we had more, more middlemen there,

if we had more women especially doing

:

00:49:20,555 --> 00:49:25,351

the jobs of, of midwives and doulas, as

you said then, you know, we would have

:

00:49:25,412 --> 00:49:27,171

a lot less pressure on our hospitals.

:

00:49:27,531 --> 00:49:29,092

You'd have a lot less medical bills.

:

00:49:29,511 --> 00:49:32,151

And if something does go wrong,

you could alway-- Like you can call

:

00:49:32,211 --> 00:49:35,931

an ambulance usually around, you

know, a-around in most of the US.

:

00:49:36,097 --> 00:49:36,297

Dash: Right.

:

00:49:36,515 --> 00:49:38,796

Beck: not always, like, like you're

talking about, not always, but

:

00:49:38,837 --> 00:49:43,651

Dash: Yeah, and removing like that

essential medical like hospital

:

00:49:43,751 --> 00:49:47,052

centric thing of birth would free

up a lot of space in hospitals,

:

00:49:47,231 --> 00:49:51,511

but we can't risk women having

choices in how those things go.

:

00:49:52,037 --> 00:49:52,817

Beck: Exactly.

:

00:49:52,857 --> 00:49:53,437

Exactly

:

00:49:53,443 --> 00:49:54,783

Dash: all know who the boogeyman is there.

:

00:50:00,702 --> 00:50:02,702

Um, How the hell does this movie end?

:

00:50:03,092 --> 00:50:06,662

Beck: Jo goes home and Margaret

walks into the literal sunset

:

00:50:06,702 --> 00:50:07,782

with her new girlfriend.

:

00:50:08,282 --> 00:50:10,062

I, I, I was mad as hell

:

00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,572

Dash: Th- something we didn't mention

is at one place they went looking for

:

00:50:13,632 --> 00:50:16,772

her mom, they, they went to Little

Italy, and they meet an Italian man.

:

00:50:17,192 --> 00:50:21,212

And, and Jo, like, hints

that she's pregnant there.

:

00:50:21,952 --> 00:50:26,072

She just mentions that her boobs are

growing, and it's like, okay, well, in

:

00:50:26,153 --> 00:50:27,692

movies, that means that you're pregnant.

:

00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:28,812

And she was.

:

00:50:28,972 --> 00:50:31,772

Next time we see her, she's

gone to the Port Authority

:

00:50:31,852 --> 00:50:32,972

bathroom looking for Margaret.

:

00:50:33,032 --> 00:50:35,546

She's not there, but she's wearing pearls.

:

00:50:36,168 --> 00:50:36,568

Beck: There,

:

00:50:36,646 --> 00:50:37,787

Dash: very Republican

:

00:50:37,788 --> 00:50:38,748

Beck: wearing pearls,

:

00:50:38,886 --> 00:50:38,967

Dash: She

:

00:50:39,228 --> 00:50:41,569

Beck: wearing this very Republican outfit,

:

00:50:42,026 --> 00:50:42,646

Dash: something's different

:

00:50:42,748 --> 00:50:43,908

Beck: her hair up in a bun.

:

00:50:44,026 --> 00:50:44,506

Dash: she married the

:

00:50:44,849 --> 00:50:46,628

Beck: Clearly there's

something different about her.

:

00:50:46,908 --> 00:50:48,524

I don't know if she married the hotel.

:

00:50:48,564 --> 00:50:48,885

We don't know

:

00:50:49,062 --> 00:50:51,868

Dash: the, and she does this interview

:

00:50:51,901 --> 00:50:54,561

Beck: she does this interview

:

00:50:54,975 --> 00:50:55,135

Dash: she

:

00:50:55,241 --> 00:50:57,981

Beck: for the doc- for the

documentary crew about why

:

00:50:58,203 --> 00:51:00,222

Dash: and the stuff she's

saying is infuriating.

:

00:51:00,531 --> 00:51:00,931

But it

:

00:51:01,021 --> 00:51:01,581

Beck: That's the thing

:

00:51:01,671 --> 00:51:03,611

Dash: class tourism, 'cause

she was, it was, like, white

:

00:51:03,821 --> 00:51:04,001

Beck: But it

:

00:51:04,111 --> 00:51:04,151

Dash: a

:

00:51:04,301 --> 00:51:06,063

Beck: was more of that

class bit, you know, like

:

00:51:06,305 --> 00:51:07,846

Dash: I understand these women now.

:

00:51:07,945 --> 00:51:09,585

I c- I, maybe I could help them.

:

00:51:09,953 --> 00:51:12,435

Like that, the way she was

talking about her experience,

:

00:51:12,725 --> 00:51:14,566

Beck: the way she was

talking about her experience,

:

00:51:14,775 --> 00:51:15,235

Dash: class,

:

00:51:16,005 --> 00:51:18,365

Beck: there's a kind of

tourism that like middle class,

:

00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:18,955

Dash: we like to

:

00:51:19,046 --> 00:51:21,225

Beck: predominantly white

people do where they go to

:

00:51:21,315 --> 00:51:21,715

Dash: themselves

:

00:51:21,765 --> 00:51:22,165

Beck: we like

:

00:51:22,465 --> 00:51:22,705

Dash: the Eat

:

00:51:22,775 --> 00:51:24,015

Beck: or make themselves better,

:

00:51:24,446 --> 00:51:24,785

Dash: This is a

:

00:51:24,875 --> 00:51:26,820

Beck: you know, like they is a kind of,

:

00:51:26,911 --> 00:51:29,051

Dash: that is based in self-improvement,

:

00:51:29,361 --> 00:51:29,802

Beck: tourism

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00:51:29,991 --> 00:51:30,071

Dash: to

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00:51:30,161 --> 00:51:30,542

Beck: that is

:

00:51:31,031 --> 00:51:31,271

Dash: in,

:

00:51:31,542 --> 00:51:32,381

Beck: self-improvement,

:

00:51:32,571 --> 00:51:32,831

Dash: country

:

00:51:32,901 --> 00:51:33,821

Beck: it has to happen

:

00:51:33,871 --> 00:51:34,191

Dash: there,

:

00:51:34,341 --> 00:51:34,541

Beck: in

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00:51:34,551 --> 00:51:35,751

Dash: you get experiences,

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00:51:35,861 --> 00:51:36,521

Beck: country or whatever.

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00:51:36,601 --> 00:51:39,258

You go over there, and

come back enlightened.

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00:51:39,758 --> 00:51:41,798

Dash: Well, that's kinda what Jo

was reminding me of when she was

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00:51:41,818 --> 00:51:43,159

talking about, like, what the

:

00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:47,240

Beck: Kind of what Jo was reminded

about, like what the experiences

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00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:49,653

of living as a homeless were

:

00:51:49,841 --> 00:51:50,281

Dash: in

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00:51:50,343 --> 00:51:53,538

Beck: in relation with back to Yeah,

I thought it was great storytelling

:

00:51:53,598 --> 00:51:54,598

all the way up to the end.

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00:51:55,078 --> 00:51:58,578

And I know things like sometimes

there, there aren't good resolutions or

:

00:51:58,618 --> 00:52:02,178

whatever, but just being like, "Well,

we walked into the sunset," that's like

:

00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,838

the, the laziest way to end something.

:

00:52:05,106 --> 00:52:06,287

Which might have been symbolic.

:

00:52:06,386 --> 00:52:06,886

I don't know.

:

00:52:07,137 --> 00:52:10,117

Did she walk into the sunset

and get her, her wishes?

:

00:52:10,158 --> 00:52:13,717

You know, did, did that relationship work

out so she didn't have to be homeless

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00:52:13,817 --> 00:52:16,097

or a prostitute or all those things?

:

00:52:16,462 --> 00:52:16,882

I don't know.

:

00:52:17,123 --> 00:52:19,962

They don't really give you any idea

of what happens after she walks into

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00:52:20,002 --> 00:52:23,643

that sunset, which is … I … It,

it really pissed me off, 'cause

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00:52:23,702 --> 00:52:26,042

I felt like there should've been

more of a resolution for Margaret.

:

00:52:26,422 --> 00:52:27,342

Like, where is she going?

:

00:52:27,382 --> 00:52:28,213

What's happening?

:

00:52:28,277 --> 00:52:30,358

and not let it all rest

on having a girlfriend

:

00:52:31,782 --> 00:52:35,970

Dash: like that trope is

intentionally, like it's about

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00:52:36,250 --> 00:52:37,370

not knowing what happens to the

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00:52:43,971 --> 00:52:44,051

in

:

00:52:44,109 --> 00:52:44,369

Beck: is

:

00:52:44,711 --> 00:52:45,232

Dash: is finished

:

00:52:45,289 --> 00:52:46,550

Beck: we never heard from them again.

:

00:52:46,810 --> 00:52:47,074

story

:

00:52:47,115 --> 00:52:47,756

Dash: open-ended.

:

00:52:47,933 --> 00:52:48,253

Beck: now

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00:52:48,535 --> 00:52:49,836

Dash: uh, what I wish they had

:

00:52:50,173 --> 00:52:51,033

Beck: is open.

:

00:52:51,453 --> 00:52:53,994

What, what I wish they had done were

:

00:52:54,095 --> 00:52:54,715

Dash: where she meets

:

00:52:54,734 --> 00:52:56,154

Beck: end on the scene before

:

00:52:56,195 --> 00:52:56,515

Dash: the same

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00:52:56,713 --> 00:52:58,213

Beck: with Margaret where she leaves

:

00:52:58,495 --> 00:52:59,155

Dash: the fetish

:

00:52:59,273 --> 00:53:02,393

Beck: it's the same woman that

wanted, that had the, the fetish

:

00:53:02,494 --> 00:53:04,493

of wanting to overpay for sex.

:

00:53:04,616 --> 00:53:04,975

Dash: She's no

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00:53:06,994 --> 00:53:08,053

Beck: But she looks different.

:

00:53:08,293 --> 00:53:10,133

She's no a Wall Street trader or whatever.

:

00:53:10,472 --> 00:53:11,412

Dash: pant suit anymore, or

:

00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:12,450

Beck: But she did, she's not

:

00:53:12,523 --> 00:53:12,803

Dash: and she's

:

00:53:12,961 --> 00:53:14,162

Beck: vest anymore with her

:

00:53:16,117 --> 00:53:19,097

Dash: produce trimmings,

and Margaret says, "Wow."

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00:53:19,336 --> 00:53:20,255

Beck: purchases.

:

00:53:20,457 --> 00:53:20,917

Dash: and she was like,

:

00:53:21,115 --> 00:53:25,534

Beck: Margaret says when last he helped

her with the gate, shopping sprees

:

00:53:25,995 --> 00:53:28,215

Dash: the woman starts

laughing and she goes, "Hey,

:

00:53:28,301 --> 00:53:28,781

Beck: I sort of

:

00:53:28,935 --> 00:53:29,175

Dash: me?"

:

00:53:29,261 --> 00:53:29,621

Beck: was

:

00:53:29,755 --> 00:53:29,815

Dash: like,

:

00:53:29,881 --> 00:53:30,442

Beck: laughing

:

00:53:30,495 --> 00:53:30,655

Dash: now.

:

00:53:30,702 --> 00:53:32,261

Beck: and she goes, "Hey,

do you remember me?"

:

00:53:32,295 --> 00:53:33,215

Dash: a Wall Street person."

:

00:53:33,242 --> 00:53:33,961

Beck: go, "I look different now.

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00:53:33,981 --> 00:53:34,702

I'm no longer a

:

00:53:34,815 --> 00:53:35,495

Dash: "Yeah, I just started

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00:53:35,641 --> 00:53:36,401

Beck: wealthy Brit."

:

00:53:37,246 --> 00:53:38,547

composting my farts."

:

00:53:38,740 --> 00:53:41,200

Dash: notion of women don't

love each other, all they

:

00:53:41,222 --> 00:53:43,863

Beck: So there's this notion

of women don't love each

:

00:53:43,978 --> 00:53:46,098

accomplish and then come back.

:

00:53:46,116 --> 00:53:47,176

Dash: like Jo was wrong about

:

00:53:47,358 --> 00:53:50,158

Beck: But it seems like it, it's

like Jo was wrong about that

:

00:53:50,296 --> 00:53:51,246

Dash: see Margaret have a

:

00:53:51,318 --> 00:53:52,558

Beck: they-- this is the first time in

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00:53:53,831 --> 00:53:54,791

Dash: together carrying this

:

00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:58,392

Beck: They go inside

together carrying Yeah,

:

00:53:58,771 --> 00:53:59,152

agree.

:

00:53:59,870 --> 00:54:01,850

Dash: hadn't put that together till

you just pointed that out though

:

00:54:02,307 --> 00:54:04,127

What do you think about the title?

:

00:54:04,507 --> 00:54:05,848

What are the, what is it with the Merkins?

:

00:54:05,887 --> 00:54:06,707

Why did we do that?

:

00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:07,474

Beck: About Yeah.

:

00:54:07,954 --> 00:54:08,474

I don't know.

:

00:54:08,554 --> 00:54:10,354

That was a, a big question that I have.

:

00:54:10,774 --> 00:54:12,554

'Cause it really sets the tone.

:

00:54:12,674 --> 00:54:16,075

Like, it, it makes you expect something

that you're not gonna get, and the

:

00:54:16,214 --> 00:54:19,534

s- the movie could've completely gone

without that storyline, you know?

:

00:54:19,946 --> 00:54:23,024

There was no reason to leave

the merkin in the end or in, in

:

00:54:23,063 --> 00:54:24,284

that last scene or letting…

:

00:54:24,604 --> 00:54:25,879

close to the end there.

:

00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:28,048

The, there was no need for

him to be in the graveyard.

:

00:54:28,088 --> 00:54:29,788

Like, that just was

really kind of pointless.

:

00:54:29,828 --> 00:54:32,911

I think it was, I think it

was maybe I, I don't know.

:

00:54:33,011 --> 00:54:34,191

Maybe it was just to be weird.

:

00:54:34,212 --> 00:54:35,983

Maybe it was to be sensational.

:

00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:43,106

Dash: homage to some other movie, in this

genre that we're not aware of, listeners,

:

00:54:43,165 --> 00:54:45,505

and you know, please let us know.

:

00:54:45,686 --> 00:54:47,785

Like, what is the deal with the merkins?

:

00:54:48,085 --> 00:54:48,745

It was funny.

:

00:54:49,165 --> 00:54:50,365

I really enjoyed that scene.

:

00:54:50,865 --> 00:54:56,305

it- they're, relevant to sex work

because of what Jo tells us about how

:

00:54:56,563 --> 00:55:00,743

Beck: sex work because it's like they were

telling us about how they were invented by

:

00:55:00,985 --> 00:55:01,145

Dash: their

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00:55:01,444 --> 00:55:01,683

Beck: sex

:

00:55:02,084 --> 00:55:06,385

Dash: sores, but that doesn't

really give us much else.

:

00:55:06,685 --> 00:55:07,044

I don't know.

:

00:55:07,464 --> 00:55:09,664

Maybe we'll know by, by

the next time we record.

:

00:55:10,164 --> 00:55:12,403

that's the Foxy merkins,

for whatever it's worth

:

00:55:12,903 --> 00:55:13,544

Beck: I liked it.

:

00:55:13,663 --> 00:55:14,283

I would give it…

:

00:55:14,596 --> 00:55:18,796

I liked it overall, so left me with

some questions, but I liked it overall

:

00:55:19,034 --> 00:55:23,176

Dash: Yeah, I had some questions as

well, which I think I- we shared.

:

00:55:23,419 --> 00:55:28,272

But there was one scene, the one scene

where they are talking about Margaret's

:

00:55:28,372 --> 00:55:33,326

gender presentation when Jo says, "You

look like the kind of woman that they

:

00:55:33,426 --> 00:55:36,465

wouldn't be caught dead with, that

they would be mortified to be seen

:

00:55:36,565 --> 00:55:37,965

with, so they're gonna pay you more for

:

00:55:38,291 --> 00:55:41,070

Beck: They would be so they

don't take any more pictures.

:

00:55:41,229 --> 00:55:42,029

As a former

:

00:55:42,163 --> 00:55:42,323

Dash: hit

:

00:55:42,449 --> 00:55:43,109

Beck: butch lesbian,

:

00:55:43,284 --> 00:55:44,183

Dash: I really…

:

00:55:44,749 --> 00:55:46,089

Beck: that really hit home.

:

00:55:46,249 --> 00:55:46,529

Yeah.

:

00:55:46,603 --> 00:55:47,564

Dash: was being said there

:

00:55:48,064 --> 00:55:49,144

Beck: Yep, I know that.

:

00:55:49,244 --> 00:55:50,704

I knew exactly what they were saying too.

:

00:55:51,244 --> 00:55:52,004

As a, like a…

:

00:55:52,584 --> 00:55:55,344

And, and people think that I'm, like,

denigrating myself or somehow being

:

00:55:55,384 --> 00:55:59,345

down on myself, but I pride myself of

being a woman that men would not want

:

00:55:59,404 --> 00:56:01,144

to be fucking, you know what I mean?

:

00:56:01,244 --> 00:56:03,004

Like, I've put work into this.

:

00:56:03,164 --> 00:56:06,405

Like, I've, I've, I've taken

time and, and cultivated this.

:

00:56:06,687 --> 00:56:10,387

But to see her reflected in that and

to still see the objectification and

:

00:56:10,427 --> 00:56:13,750

the sex work I thought really kind

of turned things on its head, because

:

00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:16,590

she's not your standard, uh, prostitute.

:

00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:18,531

She's no pretty woman, you know?

:

00:56:18,570 --> 00:56:20,150

She's no Julia Roberts.

:

00:56:20,231 --> 00:56:23,450

And and when we think of prostitutes,

at least movie ones, they're usually

:

00:56:23,511 --> 00:56:27,490

beautiful or, you know, have a sexy

body or something like that, and she

:

00:56:27,551 --> 00:56:29,531

has none of those things going for her.

:

00:56:29,551 --> 00:56:32,970

Like, she's naked in white socks,

and there's just, you know, rolls

:

00:56:33,090 --> 00:56:37,770

upon rolls upon rolls, and that's

generally not what we see as sexy.

:

00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:40,890

And so I think the, the whole thing

is kind of, is turned on its head

:

00:56:42,596 --> 00:56:44,768

Dash: the sex tape that subplot.

:

00:56:45,488 --> 00:56:46,708

This movie is very bad.

:

00:56:46,788 --> 00:56:49,888

It's riddled with subplots that are

just thrown in and then disappear.

:

00:56:50,268 --> 00:56:54,289

But one of them is Jo has

recorded Margaret having sex

:

00:56:54,348 --> 00:56:55,908

with a Republican senator.

:

00:56:56,129 --> 00:56:57,109

She said it was an accident.

:

00:56:57,369 --> 00:56:59,449

I don't know if I believe

her, to be honest,

:

00:56:59,675 --> 00:56:59,735

Beck: She said it

:

00:57:00,029 --> 00:57:03,207

Dash: But they decide that

they're gonna blackmail this woman

:

00:57:03,207 --> 00:57:04,926

Beck: decide they're gonna blackmail this

:

00:57:05,041 --> 00:57:05,480

Dash: CNN.

:

00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:06,460

They said CNN

:

00:57:06,626 --> 00:57:08,626

Beck: by selling the sex tapes.

:

00:57:08,626 --> 00:57:08,985

I don't know

:

00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:12,373

Dash: meet in a car with

someone, it's a Merkin salesman

:

00:57:13,303 --> 00:57:16,103

Beck: Someone went to the merch event.

:

00:57:16,173 --> 00:57:16,693

Dash: "Wait, weren't you

:

00:57:16,783 --> 00:57:17,243

Beck: there was this

:

00:57:17,593 --> 00:57:18,253

Dash: He was like, "Yeah,

:

00:57:18,403 --> 00:57:18,803

Beck: person.

:

00:57:18,833 --> 00:57:18,994

Dash: to do

:

00:57:19,124 --> 00:57:20,623

Beck: They're like, "Wait,

weren't you the merch girl?"

:

00:57:20,724 --> 00:57:21,564

And I was like, "Yeah."

:

00:57:21,604 --> 00:57:21,984

And they're like,

:

00:57:22,926 --> 00:57:23,506

" " Dash: We can't buy

:

00:57:24,250 --> 00:57:25,030

Beck: we can't buy them.

:

00:57:25,165 --> 00:57:26,884

Dash: the sex tape, and they're

like, "What do you mean?

:

00:57:26,925 --> 00:57:27,324

It's…

:

00:57:27,324 --> 00:57:27,761

Beck: I was like, "Why?"

:

00:57:27,761 --> 00:57:28,171

And he's like, "Well,

:

00:57:28,426 --> 00:57:28,785

Dash: And he,

:

00:57:29,131 --> 00:57:29,611

Beck: you would be in it."

:

00:57:29,671 --> 00:57:31,631

I was like, "What's the issue with it?"

:

00:57:31,666 --> 00:57:32,105

Dash: for not

:

00:57:32,131 --> 00:57:32,272

Beck: And

:

00:57:32,405 --> 00:57:32,465

Dash: to

:

00:57:32,611 --> 00:57:36,251

Beck: he starts talking his reason

for not wanting to buy the sex tape.

:

00:57:36,345 --> 00:57:36,965

Dash: saying was that

:

00:57:37,071 --> 00:57:38,629

Beck: And I finally, sex tape.

:

00:57:38,763 --> 00:57:38,903

Dash: aren't

:

00:57:39,069 --> 00:57:39,600

Beck: Oh.

:

00:57:39,647 --> 00:57:44,507

That sex tapes aren't about who

they're in, it's about whether they're

:

00:57:44,521 --> 00:57:44,621

Dash: the

:

00:57:44,767 --> 00:57:45,347

Beck: good or not.

:

00:57:45,548 --> 00:57:45,607

So,

:

00:57:45,941 --> 00:57:46,501

Dash: having sex."

:

00:57:46,548 --> 00:57:47,646

Beck: nobody in.

:

00:57:47,936 --> 00:57:50,256

Dash: just a little slice

of media commentary for

:

00:57:50,322 --> 00:57:52,879

Beck: That was like Reminds me

of a game Shannon and I used to

:

00:57:52,919 --> 00:57:54,919

play, like the gross-out game.

:

00:57:54,959 --> 00:57:56,899

We'd think of two people

and be like, "Them fucking."

:

00:57:57,379 --> 00:58:00,479

Like think of the two worst people

you can think of, like Steve Urkel

:

00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,139

and Ronald McDonald, them fucking.

:

00:58:02,821 --> 00:58:05,442

Dash: I- I, uh, try to think

up crazy things to ask you?

:

00:58:05,942 --> 00:58:10,021

I thought of one that I immediately made

myself laugh with, with the answer I

:

00:58:10,061 --> 00:58:13,465

came up with And then I also was like,

"I shouldn't say this because it's really

:

00:58:13,525 --> 00:58:15,066

inflammatory, but I'm gonna do it anyway."

:

00:58:15,392 --> 00:58:18,925

'Cause the question is, like, what's

the worst game of fuck, marry, kill?

:

00:58:18,925 --> 00:58:19,106

Beck: building?

:

00:58:20,086 --> 00:58:20,406

Oh.

:

00:58:20,864 --> 00:58:21,145

Dash: thought

:

00:58:21,409 --> 00:58:23,570

Beck: immediately thought the

mother, the son, and the hole

:

00:58:25,636 --> 00:58:27,756

Dash: It's like, "Oh, that ac-

actually is how that went."

:

00:58:28,256 --> 00:58:29,136

Beck: That's a good answer though.

:

00:58:29,196 --> 00:58:30,637

That is a good one.

:

00:58:30,696 --> 00:58:31,176

That's…

:

00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:34,895

I think my brother-in-law would be

in that mix of the, the, the kill.

:

00:58:35,686 --> 00:58:38,665

Dash: Uh, listeners, let us know what's

the, what's the worst game of fuck,

:

00:58:38,803 --> 00:58:39,364

Beck: Ugh.

:

00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:41,459

Dash: Well, we've ta- been

:

00:58:41,513 --> 00:58:41,833

Beck: Yehaw.

:

00:58:41,899 --> 00:58:42,659

Dash: time, but that's fine.

:

00:58:42,779 --> 00:58:44,699

But maybe it's time to hear

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:

00:58:47,699 --> 00:58:49,699

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:

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:

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This is the one held in the gravel

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:

00:58:55,115 --> 00:58:58,535

the volunteer fire department, not

the one held at the Spearmint Rhino.

:

00:58:59,062 --> 00:59:01,732

Beck: Fire Department, not the

one held at the Clear Lake Diner.

:

00:59:01,815 --> 00:59:02,636

Dash: $2 bills.

:

00:59:02,762 --> 00:59:04,994

Beck: gonna see, truth then

make sure and bring a $2 bill.

:

00:59:05,027 --> 00:59:06,187

Dash: starts 20 minutes late because

:

00:59:06,234 --> 00:59:08,324

Beck: No, this one is where the drag show

:

00:59:08,507 --> 00:59:08,807

Dash: needs to

:

00:59:08,814 --> 00:59:10,852

Beck: 20 minutes late somebody's

uncle bought the bath house

:

00:59:10,892 --> 00:59:12,332

and it closed too early.

:

00:59:12,445 --> 00:59:12,805

Dash: softball

:

00:59:12,852 --> 00:59:14,922

Beck: one where the total

attendance depends on

:

00:59:15,125 --> 00:59:15,205

Dash: The

:

00:59:15,292 --> 00:59:17,111

Beck: the schedule of the

regional tournament happening.

:

00:59:17,794 --> 00:59:19,284

more denim than rhinestones.

:

00:59:19,348 --> 00:59:20,927

Dash: folks who grew up hearing, "Nobody

:

00:59:21,074 --> 00:59:22,174

Beck: Small town pride is a

:

00:59:22,307 --> 00:59:22,387

Dash: to

:

00:59:22,454 --> 00:59:24,914

Beck: place where folks who grew

up hearing, "Nobody like that lives

:

00:59:24,934 --> 00:59:27,904

around here," get to take a lap

around look around, and realize

:

00:59:27,944 --> 00:59:30,144

there actually are quite a few.

:

00:59:30,324 --> 00:59:33,004

When you walk into that alley

mall, you see one folding table

:

00:59:33,024 --> 00:59:34,264

with three toddlers melting

:

00:59:34,357 --> 00:59:34,737

Dash: aunt is

:

00:59:34,944 --> 00:59:36,064

Beck: in the afternoon sun.

:

00:59:36,457 --> 00:59:36,677

Dash: beside

:

00:59:36,724 --> 00:59:39,414

Beck: Somebody's lesbian aunt

is selling handmade earrings.

:

00:59:39,474 --> 00:59:40,654

Side of face and a tongue

:

00:59:40,787 --> 00:59:42,215

Dash: free hugs from a row of

:

00:59:42,382 --> 00:59:44,382

Beck: Two church moms offering free hugs.

:

00:59:44,695 --> 00:59:44,995

Dash: shorts

:

00:59:45,242 --> 00:59:45,562

Beck: Well-worn

:

00:59:45,795 --> 00:59:46,195

Dash: who walks

:

00:59:46,402 --> 00:59:48,872

Beck: in bisexual-themed

cargo shorts, anyone who walks

:

00:59:48,895 --> 00:59:49,596

Dash: completely

:

00:59:49,702 --> 00:59:50,842

Beck: is their very first again.

:

00:59:51,155 --> 00:59:52,055

Dash: Lady Gaga on a

:

00:59:52,242 --> 00:59:54,531

Beck: completely feral

a flatbed hay wagon.

:

00:59:54,884 --> 00:59:56,984

Dash: Small Town Pride

is about visibility in

:

00:59:57,031 --> 01:00:00,431

Beck: this is the small town pride.

:

01:00:00,451 --> 01:00:02,181

This code for being visible

just to feel impossible.

:

01:00:02,751 --> 01:00:03,741

It's about clear teenagers

:

01:00:03,845 --> 01:00:03,984

Dash: gay

:

01:00:04,031 --> 01:00:05,651

Beck: being adults who

chose to stick around.

:

01:00:05,684 --> 01:00:06,144

Dash: the diner

:

01:00:06,391 --> 01:00:09,500

Beck: It's about an old gay couple

finally holding hands in without checking

:

01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:11,950

the parking lot for trouble first.

:

01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:15,473

It is about turning a felt lonely into a

place that might someday feel like home.

:

01:00:15,546 --> 01:00:16,506

Dash: local vape vendor,

:

01:00:16,753 --> 01:00:19,733

Beck: year's festival is bigger than

ever, featuring one local vape vendor,

:

01:00:20,033 --> 01:00:24,701

six area nonprofits, two people selling

and Jo Don grew a hot dog's worth.

:

01:00:24,794 --> 01:00:26,555

Dash: and celebrate with

the fine people who aren't

:

01:00:26,941 --> 01:00:28,271

Beck: It's small town pride festival.

:

01:00:28,501 --> 01:00:29,461

Come out and celebrate with the

:

01:00:29,474 --> 01:00:29,694

Dash: Pride

:

01:00:29,761 --> 01:00:32,341

Beck: kind of people that aren't afraid

of a little gravel in their queer.

:

01:00:32,861 --> 01:00:34,051

Happy Pride Month from Queernecks.

:

01:00:34,174 --> 01:00:34,854

Dash: few petitions,

:

01:00:34,941 --> 01:00:36,101

Beck: one-year anniversary.

:

01:00:36,111 --> 01:00:37,041

In We did it.

:

01:00:37,101 --> 01:00:38,411

I do love a small town pride

:

01:00:40,633 --> 01:00:42,324

Yehaw

:

01:00:42,359 --> 01:00:42,538

Dash: know what

:

01:00:42,574 --> 01:00:42,854

Beck: Yeah.

:

01:00:42,918 --> 01:00:43,158

Dash: see.

:

01:00:43,334 --> 01:00:45,694

Beck: I remember one year we went

to Charleston, West Virginia.

:

01:00:46,194 --> 01:00:51,354

That was back, oh God, that had to be

like:

:

01:00:51,964 --> 01:00:54,744

And there were like

200 people there total.

:

01:00:55,184 --> 01:00:57,563

And there was a drag queen

wearing her full midnight

:

01:00:57,663 --> 01:00:59,643

drag queen face at high noon.

:

01:00:59,913 --> 01:01:01,953

Speaker: That's the thing about

the Small Town Pride Festival

:

01:01:01,953 --> 01:01:03,453

is it is in the daytime.

:

01:01:03,483 --> 01:01:03,783

Speaker 2: Yeah.

:

01:01:04,201 --> 01:01:08,971

There was some place, I remember they

had a, a softball game that went with it.

:

01:01:09,271 --> 01:01:13,261

Which, what is more pride than

letting lesbians play softball?

:

01:01:13,561 --> 01:01:15,601

Speaker: Well, here's a shout out for you.

:

01:01:15,601 --> 01:01:19,231

If you are in the Lexington area

of Kentucky, there's a sports

:

01:01:19,231 --> 01:01:24,151

league called Hot Miss Sports,

and it's a queer sports club.

:

01:01:24,571 --> 01:01:26,431

They, you know, play kickball.

:

01:01:26,431 --> 01:01:31,261

They have, um, kickball days or

volleyball or pool parties and stuff.

:

01:01:32,067 --> 01:01:33,567

Um, I don't know how you join.

:

01:01:33,567 --> 01:01:37,407

I kept, I always wanted to, but um,

it was on, I always had to work on

:

01:01:37,407 --> 01:01:41,787

weekends, so I would definitely hit

that up if I was still living there.

:

01:01:41,877 --> 01:01:46,347

'cause there is just something to

like, you know, the, a big city pride.

:

01:01:46,825 --> 01:01:49,735

They don't do things like that

because it's all together.

:

01:01:49,735 --> 01:01:51,325

It's one huge thing.

:

01:01:51,325 --> 01:01:53,725

It doesn't have to be

piecemeal and spread out.

:

01:01:53,935 --> 01:01:58,735

When we did the, the Southern

Illinois Pride Festival, it was

:

01:01:58,735 --> 01:02:00,085

like we had to do it in shifts.

:

01:02:00,085 --> 01:02:02,575

You know, there was some morning

programming and then nothing for a

:

01:02:02,575 --> 01:02:04,525

while and some afternoon programming.

:

01:02:04,525 --> 01:02:07,735

And then we went home and slept

for a while, and then we had

:

01:02:07,735 --> 01:02:11,185

the evening programming at a bar

somewhere so that we didn't have to

:

01:02:11,185 --> 01:02:13,105

actually do the facilitation of it.

:

01:02:13,577 --> 01:02:14,867

Like it's that kind of stuff.

:

01:02:14,867 --> 01:02:16,637

It's really enmeshed.

:

01:02:19,913 --> 01:02:22,583

Any, uh, final thoughts

about foxy Americans?

:

01:02:22,673 --> 01:02:23,933

Speaker 2: None that I can think of.

:

01:02:24,118 --> 01:02:26,123

I, I thought it was a interesting film.

:

01:02:26,423 --> 01:02:28,283

I think the title is misleading.

:

01:02:29,129 --> 01:02:31,979

Kind of superfluous,

like to the whole story.

:

01:02:32,399 --> 01:02:35,729

Um, but I think it's interesting

and, you know, I, I thought it was

:

01:02:35,729 --> 01:02:39,509

really interesting to see myself

reflected in such a way in a character

:

01:02:39,509 --> 01:02:41,038

that you've never seen before.

:

01:02:41,279 --> 01:02:43,379

So I thought that was really

creative and original.

:

01:02:43,529 --> 01:02:43,889

I don't know.

:

01:02:43,889 --> 01:02:44,549

I liked it.

:

01:02:44,788 --> 01:02:45,419

It was weird.

:

01:02:45,419 --> 01:02:45,429

Yeah.

:

01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:46,109

But I liked it.

:

01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:49,288

Speaker: Very weird, but quite a few

things in it that I can't remember

:

01:02:49,288 --> 01:02:51,389

seeing anywhere else before or since.

:

01:02:51,538 --> 01:02:52,739

Definitely recommend.

:

01:02:53,353 --> 01:02:54,493

But it is.

:

01:02:54,613 --> 01:02:57,883

It is out there, which

makes it on brand for us.

:

01:02:58,123 --> 01:02:58,963

Queer Next approved.

:

01:02:59,817 --> 01:03:01,707

Did you bring a noun

of Appalachian interest

:

01:03:01,887 --> 01:03:02,007

Speaker 2: today?

:

01:03:02,007 --> 01:03:02,487

I did.

:

01:03:02,487 --> 01:03:03,357

I did.

:

01:03:03,777 --> 01:03:07,677

Um, I actually wrote this one a while ago

and uh, decided to finally pull it out.

:

01:03:07,677 --> 01:03:11,877

Today, this week's noun of Appalachian

interest is leather britches.

:

01:03:12,207 --> 01:03:14,067

Now let's get one thing

settled right away.

:

01:03:14,127 --> 01:03:15,627

Leather britches are beans.

:

01:03:15,627 --> 01:03:19,017

Y'all not pants, not something that

you wear to a line dancing night at

:

01:03:19,017 --> 01:03:22,377

the Eagle Club, they're not chaps,

they're not fringe, they're beans,

:

01:03:22,947 --> 01:03:25,857

leather britches are green beans that

have been strung up with a needle and

:

01:03:25,857 --> 01:03:28,857

thread and left to dry until they look

like they have both been through it.

:

01:03:29,288 --> 01:03:31,538

Folks would hang them on

their porches in long strands,

:

01:03:31,538 --> 01:03:33,129

almost like Appalachian tinsel.

:

01:03:33,429 --> 01:03:36,609

Forget fancy decorations around

here sometimes your porch was

:

01:03:36,609 --> 01:03:38,259

also like a winter food supply.

:

01:03:38,619 --> 01:03:41,709

Back before everybody had freezers

and grocery stores close by.

:

01:03:41,709 --> 01:03:45,219

Drying beans was one way to make sure

supper lasted past harvest season.

:

01:03:45,769 --> 01:03:48,829

You picked the beans in summer, strung

them up and let the air do its work,

:

01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:51,829

and then saved them for the cold

months When the garden was done and

:

01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:55,249

everybody was tired of pretending

canned peaches counted as a side dish.

:

01:03:55,669 --> 01:03:58,339

Then when winter rolled in and the

house needed something warm on the

:

01:03:58,339 --> 01:04:02,449

stove, those dried beans went into the

pot with a hunk of pork at a potato.

:

01:04:02,449 --> 01:04:03,379

If you felt froggy.

:

01:04:03,859 --> 01:04:06,949

After a while, they softened back

into something smokey, chewy,

:

01:04:06,949 --> 01:04:09,709

and rich enough to make you

understand why people keep doing it.

:

01:04:10,185 --> 01:04:11,865

And that's the beauty of leather britches.

:

01:04:11,865 --> 01:04:14,415

They're practical, but they're

also a little bit magical.

:

01:04:14,685 --> 01:04:17,295

All summer long, they hang

there looking like they gave up.

:

01:04:17,565 --> 01:04:20,295

Then winter comes and suddenly

they're the star of dinner.

:

01:04:20,475 --> 01:04:22,065

That's not just food preservation.

:

01:04:22,065 --> 01:04:23,355

That's a comeback story.

:

01:04:23,689 --> 01:04:27,469

So leather britches are proof that

Appalachians were doing sustainability

:

01:04:27,739 --> 01:04:31,339

long before anybody started charging

money to explain it in a conference room.

:

01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:35,449

Nothing got wasted if it could be

dried for later and turned into a meal

:

01:04:35,449 --> 01:04:37,189

with enough pork grease and patience.

:

01:04:37,429 --> 01:04:40,309

So if you ever hear somebody talking

about leather britches, do not

:

01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:42,109

picture a cowboy in a dance hall.

:

01:04:42,379 --> 01:04:45,529

Picture those wrinkled beans

turning into the kind of meal that

:

01:04:45,529 --> 01:04:47,179

helped families get through winter.

:

01:04:47,593 --> 01:04:50,833

Appalachian food has always known how to

take what was already there and to turn

:

01:04:50,833 --> 01:04:52,363

it into something that feels like home.

:

01:04:52,663 --> 01:04:55,093

So leather britches, they might

not make your ass look good, but

:

01:04:55,093 --> 01:04:56,533

they sure will make you feel fed.

:

01:04:57,321 --> 01:04:58,251

Speaker: That's a good one.

:

01:04:58,911 --> 01:04:59,991

Very educational.

:

01:05:00,321 --> 01:05:00,771

Speaker 2: Thank you.

:

01:05:00,771 --> 01:05:01,401

Speaker: I did.

:

01:05:01,401 --> 01:05:02,451

I'd never heard him called that.

:

01:05:02,481 --> 01:05:04,671

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, that's the

only thing I've ever heard him called.

:

01:05:05,331 --> 01:05:06,381

Speaker: Interesting.

:

01:05:07,221 --> 01:05:08,751

Speaker 2: Do you know what Chow Chow is?

:

01:05:08,991 --> 01:05:09,531

Speaker: Yes.

:

01:05:09,771 --> 01:05:10,911

Speaker 2: I didn't know what that was.

:

01:05:10,911 --> 01:05:13,701

And it turned up on,

uh, top Chef this week.

:

01:05:13,971 --> 01:05:17,241

Um, top Chef is in, uh,

North Carolina this season.

:

01:05:17,673 --> 01:05:19,113

Are the Carolinas, basically.

:

01:05:19,113 --> 01:05:19,713

And so,

:

01:05:19,803 --> 01:05:20,463

Speaker: oh, yeah,

:

01:05:20,463 --> 01:05:20,473

Speaker 2: yeah.

:

01:05:20,493 --> 01:05:23,883

One, one of the last challenges

they had to, um, incorporate

:

01:05:23,883 --> 01:05:28,083

Appalachian ingredients and one

girl picked, uh, C Cha Chow.

:

01:05:28,383 --> 01:05:31,143

I have the worst song stuck

in my head, per usual.

:

01:05:31,893 --> 01:05:32,223

What is it?

:

01:05:32,223 --> 01:05:35,583

This, this week's edition of what's

stuck in Becky's brain Jew box

:

01:05:35,823 --> 01:05:38,133

is the Magic stick by 50 cent.

:

01:05:39,303 --> 01:05:41,223

Speaker: Oh, that's so specific.

:

01:05:41,343 --> 01:05:41,583

Speaker 2: Yes.

:

01:05:42,857 --> 01:05:46,846

Speaker: Yesterday I got a wild

hair, um, and watched the Diddy

:

01:05:46,846 --> 01:05:50,027

documentary that 50 cent produced.

:

01:05:50,147 --> 01:05:50,927

Speaker 2: How was that

:

01:05:51,377 --> 01:05:52,277

Speaker: surprising?

:

01:05:52,277 --> 01:05:56,057

You know, I mean, I knew about, I

was aware of the, the charge, like

:

01:05:56,057 --> 01:05:58,427

the sexual assault charges and

things like that, but I did not know

:

01:05:58,427 --> 01:06:00,137

that Diddy killed Tupac and Biggie.

:

01:06:04,402 --> 01:06:08,767

It was a, like the, he's a, he has,

he's been a shitbag for a long time.

:

01:06:08,887 --> 01:06:11,767

So I was like, well, damn, I wasn't

expecting to learn this today.

:

01:06:11,977 --> 01:06:15,127

Speaker 2: I mean, anybody that owns

a thousand bottles of, uh, baby oil

:

01:06:15,127 --> 01:06:19,837

that isn't, you know, Johnson and

Johnson himself, like that's an issue.

:

01:06:20,167 --> 01:06:23,467

Speaker: Well, and and according to

the documentary, there was GHB in it.

:

01:06:23,497 --> 01:06:23,767

Speaker 2: Yeah.

:

01:06:24,127 --> 01:06:27,217

Speaker: Which that is

absolutely fucking bonkers.

:

01:06:28,581 --> 01:06:31,251

Um, well, I guess that's

it for Foxy Merkins.

:

01:06:31,371 --> 01:06:35,601

Maybe that's it for this our

first episode of Pride Month.

:

01:06:35,931 --> 01:06:37,011

Speaker 2: Are we in Season two?

:

01:06:37,161 --> 01:06:39,741

Speaker: Season two of Queer Next Maybe.

:

01:06:39,741 --> 01:06:41,721

Maybe it's time for us

to swap out that show.

:

01:06:41,721 --> 01:06:42,831

Art For That Crazy Moth.

:

01:06:42,831 --> 01:06:43,311

Man, I made,

:

01:06:46,221 --> 01:06:48,471

did you see that picture I

posted of The Moth Man I made?

:

01:06:48,471 --> 01:06:48,531

Yeah.

:

01:06:49,071 --> 01:06:49,881

Welcome to Season two.

:

01:06:49,881 --> 01:06:50,391

Queer Nut.

:

01:06:50,481 --> 01:06:51,471

Queer of Queer Next.

:

01:06:51,531 --> 01:06:52,131

Speaker 2: Queer Nuts.

:

01:06:52,341 --> 01:06:53,211

Speaker: Queer Nuts.

:

01:06:56,681 --> 01:06:58,181

The Foxy queer nuts.

:

01:06:58,361 --> 01:07:01,451

Well, happy for the opportunity

to keep doing these.

:

01:07:01,451 --> 01:07:02,801

Happy that y'all keep listening.

:

01:07:02,861 --> 01:07:03,971

Let's do another year.

:

01:07:04,241 --> 01:07:04,871

Speaker 2: Sounds good to me.

:

01:07:05,171 --> 01:07:06,371

Speaker: See you next week.

:

01:07:06,671 --> 01:07:07,301

Be good.

:

01:07:07,361 --> 01:07:08,231

Happy Pride month.

:

01:07:08,441 --> 01:07:09,431

Say hi to your mom and them.

:

01:07:09,491 --> 01:07:09,971

Speaker 2: Bye.

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